Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Thank you all for all of the interest. The first person who wrote me isn't far away at all and will give it a good home, so I'm going to go with him. While I'm fetching those, I'm going to make a list of other older hardware for which I'd like to find homes, so I'll post about that, and possibly about other magazines, in a week or so. Thanks! John
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Randy Dawson wrote: > > Zane, your comments are appreciated. > > I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are > OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom > or increase the resolution. > I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search. > I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already > knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only > found recently. > I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. I see > all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) > for sale on ebay DVDs. > The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars. > > Randy Now you’re touching on something that really ticks me off, and I’ve seen it done using Google Books, and others (the book I bought before I knew what was going on was done using a Google Books scan). That’s the growing market on “Print On Demand” books done using these scans. Many of these books are still covered under the original copywrite. And of course, there are the folks selling the CD’s and DVD’s on eBay. The people offering “reproductions" for sale in these fashions harm the community as a whole. It also makes it rather challenging to find original copies for sale, as you have to wade through so many of these offerings. Zane
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
these may already be scanned and out there. we have hardcopy and what a joy to sit and just look though in a big arm chair If you have space always great to have them in prit as the images for displays etc are better than what usually is out compressed on the net. I have found though internet archive has some jpeg2000 I think it is pages for many things that are pretty sharp. In a message dated 12/14/2018 11:50:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote: > Hi, all, Hi John, > Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable > distance from southern California who might take these magazines and > preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay? Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one or both of them will take things like this and scan them for preservation and to share with other people. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Kilobaud is also up on the Internet archive. https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine Kilobaud Microcomputing Magazine - Internet Archive<https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine> Kilobaud Microcomputing was a magazine dedicated to the computer homebrew hobbyists from the end of the 1970s until the beginning of the 1980s. Wayne Green, the Publisher/Editor of kilobaud, had been the publisher of BYTE magazine, (another influential microcomputer magazine of the time) where he... archive.org From: cctalk on behalf of ben via cctalk Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 12:27 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote: > Zane, your comments are appreciated. > > I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and > they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks > (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you > on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb > or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already > knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online > I only found recently. That still leaves Kilobaud scans. > I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. > I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's > bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be > relieved from their dollars. I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL. > Randy Ben.
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote: Zane, your comments are appreciated. I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only found recently. That still leaves Kilobaud scans. I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars. I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL. Randy Ben.
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Zane, your comments are appreciated. I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already knows but me. Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only found recently. I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals. I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars. Randy From: cctalk on behalf of Zane Healy via cctalk Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:40 PM To: Fred Cisin; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine > On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >>> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned. >>> Some people object to calling that "preservation". > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote: >> Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the >> text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable? > > I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two > groups. Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are > adequate would care about making them adequate. > Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for > OCR. Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those > that most need quality scanning. And scan in colour, where it’s important! >> Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my >> favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, >> which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are >> largely useless. > > Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war. > My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, > when publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the technology of 35mm > was coming along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.) > Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the > Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it! It’s less a technical book, and more a philosophical book on composition, and uses works of a well known 19th century painter in most examples. As for books in the time frame you’re mentioning, don’t forget the “Ilford Manual of Photography”, the examples for troubleshooting are actually easy to use compared to the newer “Manual of Photography”, even though they’re mostly the same photo’s. Right now I’m fighting with some processing issues with 8x10 and 11x14 film. Though if I was driving to Carmel, it wouldn’t be to look at Ansel Adams prints, it would be to look at Edward Weston’s. His work for Walt Whitman’s “Leaves of Grass”, drives much of my efforts. > Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who > scanned the book, and where it now is? I think I’ve finally tracked down a copy. Part of the hold-up has been ensuring that I don’t buy an older edition. There were at least 4 editions. It’s also *not* a cheap book. Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the book, seem better suited to Adobe Photoshop. :-) H.P. Robinson was a man before his time! Zane
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >>> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned. >>> Some people object to calling that "preservation". > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote: >> Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the >> text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable? > > I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two > groups. Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are > adequate would care about making them adequate. > Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for > OCR. Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those > that most need quality scanning. And scan in colour, where it’s important! >> Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my >> favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, >> which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are >> largely useless. > > Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war. > My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, > when publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the technology of 35mm > was coming along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.) > Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the > Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it! It’s less a technical book, and more a philosophical book on composition, and uses works of a well known 19th century painter in most examples. As for books in the time frame you’re mentioning, don’t forget the “Ilford Manual of Photography”, the examples for troubleshooting are actually easy to use compared to the newer “Manual of Photography”, even though they’re mostly the same photo’s. Right now I’m fighting with some processing issues with 8x10 and 11x14 film. Though if I was driving to Carmel, it wouldn’t be to look at Ansel Adams prints, it would be to look at Edward Weston’s. His work for Walt Whitman’s “Leaves of Grass”, drives much of my efforts. > Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who > scanned the book, and where it now is? I think I’ve finally tracked down a copy. Part of the hold-up has been ensuring that I don’t buy an older edition. There were at least 4 editions. It’s also *not* a cheap book. Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the book, seem better suited to Adobe Photoshop. :-) H.P. Robinson was a man before his time! Zane
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned. Some people object to calling that "preservation". On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote: Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable? I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two groups. Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are adequate would care about making them adequate. Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for OCR. Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those that most need quality scanning. Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are largely useless. Hmmm. 150 year old photography book would be just after civil war. My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, when publishers could do a good job of B&W plates, and the technology of 35mm was coming along. (Morgan and Lester, etc.) Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it! Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who scanned the book, and where it now is? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned. > Some people object to calling that "preservation". Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable? Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are largely useless. Zane
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable distance from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay? On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one or both of them will take things like this and scan them for preservation and to share with other people. Q1: Which issues of BYTE have not been scanned yet?? Q2: What do Internet Archive and Bitsavers do with materials after scanning? (or duplicates? or incoming materials that they have aready scanned?) Maybe they could sell them on eBay to fund their activities, . . . There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned. Some people object to calling that "preservation".
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Hi John, If you have not gotten any takers, I will step up. I am in Los Angeles (Thousand Oaks). I see most if not all is online at internet achive an here: https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm I would rather have the physical magazine. Let me know what others you want to get rid of (Kilobaud?) Randy BYTE MAGAZINE: Early computer publication<https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm> Byte magazine was an early microcomputer magazine, influential in the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s because of its wide-ranging editorial coverage. Byte started in 1975, shortly after the first personal computers appeared as kits which were advertised in the back of electronics magazines. www.americanradiohistory.com From: cctalk on behalf of John Klos via cctalk Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 10:16 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine Hi, all, I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to include. Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable distance from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay? Thanks! John -- I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of chaos and entropy.
Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote: Hi, all, Hi John, Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable distance from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay? Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one or both of them will take things like this and scan them for preservation and to share with other people. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine
Hi, all, I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to include. Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable distance from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay? Thanks! John -- I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of chaos and entropy.
