Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[John H. Reinhardt]

On 7/31/2016 10:38 PM, Douglas Taylor wrote:


That sounds good.  BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license
PAKS and downloads?  I'm running into dead links.

Doug


Things recently (last few months) changed and the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses are now 
handled by the HPE office in India.  The URL for the application is 


When you choose a chapter for "Participating Chapter" choose "DECUSERVE" if you don't belong to 
one.  Then telnet (no SSH) to eisner.decuserve.com where you will get a login page and choose the 
"REGISTRATION" option. This will get you a DECUS member number that you can supply for the hobbyist license. 
Once you are logged into the system you can find your membership number by typing the command "HOBBYIST"

Once you get your reply from HPE then you can also reply to that email and ask 
for the FTP credentials to download a VMS 7.3 VAX install disk image or Alpha 
or IA64 for that matter - just ask for all that you want.

Remember that when you apply it is going to India so plan for the timezone and 
weekend change accordingly.


John H. Reinhardt

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[william degnan]

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Douglas Taylor 
wrote:

> On 7/31/2016 10:35 PM, william degnan wrote:
>
>> I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax expansion hard drive on my 3100,
>> I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it.  Clunky
>> but it works.  I also have the process documented.
>> Bill
>>
>
> That sounds good.  BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license PAKS
> and downloads?  I'm running into dead links.
>
> Doug
>
>
>

When we come to that point
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Unauthorized Bio 

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Douglas Taylor]

On 7/31/2016 10:35 PM, william degnan wrote:

I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax expansion hard drive on my 3100,
I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it.  Clunky
but it works.  I also have the process documented.
Bill


That sounds good.  BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license 
PAKS and downloads?  I'm running into dead links.


Doug

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[william degnan]

I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax expansion hard drive on my 3100,
I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it.  Clunky
but it works.  I also have the process documented.
Bill

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Douglas Taylor]

On 7/31/2016 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones wrote:

On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:

On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:

They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.

Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.

If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.

By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.

As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.

There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).

--S.


I got it half right  UCX rings a bell since I had the OpenVMS 7.2 on 
a newer VAX and the networking portion had that name.  It's been awhile 
and I have forgotten many of the details.

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Douglas Taylor]

On 7/31/2016 5:40 PM, william degnan wrote:

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones 
wrote:


On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:

On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:

They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.

Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.

If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.

By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.

As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.

There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).

--S.



If you can get the machine to my house some how I might be able to get
MULTINET on your VAX,or at a workshop in the MidAtlantic area.  I live near
Philadelphia
Bill


Bill;

I am planning on bringing the MVII to VCF East next spring (assuming I 
get it up and running) .  I don't know of any other workshops, what were 
you thinking?


Doug

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[william degnan]

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones 
wrote:

> On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
> > On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
> >>
> >> They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
> >
> > Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
> > a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
> > Multiware, etc.
>
> If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
> You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
> only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
> in those instances.
>
> By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
> TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
> services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
> C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
> later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
>
> As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
> the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.
>
> There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
> off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
> TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
> Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).
>
> --S.
>


If you can get the machine to my house some how I might be able to get
MULTINET on your VAX,or at a workshop in the MidAtlantic area.  I live near
Philadelphia
Bill
-- 
@ BillDeg:
Web: vintagecomputer.net
Twitter: @billdeg 
Youtube: @billdeg 
Unauthorized Bio 

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Steven M Jones]

On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
>>
>> They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
> 
> Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
> a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
> Multiware, etc.

If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.

By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.

As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.

There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).

--S.

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[william degnan]

>
>
> Graham;
>
> Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software, Multiware,
etc.
>
> Doug
>

MULTINET is what I think you mean.
B

Re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Douglas Taylor]

On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:

The company I worked for in 1989 had three hand-me-down MicroVax II from
the US parent.

They were originally a PDP11/73 box, which had been converted.

They ran VMS 5.5-2, all had DEQNA, with no problems that I remember. They
were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
The DEQNA may have been *unsupported* on 5.5, but it seeded to work OK.

I still have one system, and bits of the others. Failing ESDI drives put
them to the back of the garage.

I do have a replacement ESDI drive, and a Q-bus SCSI controller, so when i
get time (ha!), I'll resurrect it.


Regards, Graham


Graham;

Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it 
a third party?  I seem to remember third party TCPIP software, 
Multiware, etc.


Doug

re: MicroVax II (Doug)

[Graham Reid]

The company I worked for in 1989 had three hand-me-down MicroVax II from
the US parent.

They were originally a PDP11/73 box, which had been converted.

They ran VMS 5.5-2, all had DEQNA, with no problems that I remember. They
were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
The DEQNA may have been *unsupported* on 5.5, but it seeded to work OK.

I still have one system, and bits of the others. Failing ESDI drives put
them to the back of the garage.

I do have a replacement ESDI drive, and a Q-bus SCSI controller, so when i
get time (ha!), I'll resurrect it.


Regards, Graham