Re: Tools, Craftsman (Was: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 7/2/2017 3:02 PM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote: For me new tools pretty much come for European companies, from estate sales, An old fellow pulled into an astronomy related material swap meet next to me several years ago, opened his trunk while I was standing there and pulled out one

Re: Tools, Craftsman (Was: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
Sears long ago stopped making tools. They finally got out of the holding business with the products and sold them to Stanley Black & Decker. While under Sears, they would lease the brand-name to pretty much the highest bidder, if that bidder was also a company that made Harbor Freight Sears could

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> About the best advice I've heard in this respect was "if you're looking >> to assemble a good assortment of hand tools, make an offer for the >> contents of the toolchest to the widow of a recently deceased mechanic." service cases and

Re: Tools, Craftsman (Was: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/2/17 2:15 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Some brands have suffered badly under the shadow of acquisition. Klein > used to be the best source for small pliers and cutters, but my > experience with them lately has not demonstrated that. Xcelite was never the greatest stuff in the

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: About the best advice I've heard in this respect was "if you're looking to assemble a good assortment of hand tools, make an offer for the contents of the toolchest to the widow of a recently deceased mechanic." Thanks I'm updating my will

Re: Tools, Craftsman (Was: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/02/2017 01:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > But Sears got SO bad for a while that in my Honda book I said, "better > to have a few good tools . . . than a lifetime supply of scrap metal > tools, ready and waiting to hurt you." (p 236) I recently had the retainer ball (that holds

Tools, Craftsman (Was: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The quality of tools has declined. It used to be that Sears Roebuck "Craftsman" hand tools were among the best and were sold with an unconditional warranty. Not so any more. On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: Snap-on brand tools are the best that I’ve come across though

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chris Pye via cctalk
> > It was on a test-bench setup. Part of my job back then was calibrating > the stroke of cylinders to the 3-15 psi control signal. Plant air > (power supply for the cylinder) was around 50 psi, IIRC. Lucky it was just the pliers. Pneumatics can be rather dangerous at that pressure. > >

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Good advice on buying the whole toolchest. Wiha does make excellent drivers and insert bits. Their security bits are top-notch as well -- I ended up buying their general security "bits-selector" set after wasting $5 on one of those Harbor Freight assortments. Thanks, Jonathan On Sun, Jul 2,

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/02/2017 07:36 AM, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: > I'm a little late to this thread but I didn't see anyone mention the Wiha > brand which also have a slim Nut Driver set with a 7/32" bit in the kit. > When I was refurbing a couple model M here, I invested in this Wiha set, I've got a

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/02/2017 09:45 AM, Chris Pye wrote: > Chuck, dare may I ask what you were doing with electricians pliers that close > to a pneumatic cylinder? It was on a test-bench setup. Part of my job back then was calibrating the stroke of cylinders to the 3-15 psi control signal. Plant air (power

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chris Pye via cctalk
> On 2 Jul 2017, at 4:03 pm, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > I once got a pair of electrician's pliers caught between the yoke and > body of a 6" pneumatic cylinder. Snapped the handles right off, it did. > The local Sears store replaced the pliers without >

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:12 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk > wrote: > > >> >> The quality of tools has declined. It used to be that Sears Roebuck >> "Craftsman" hand tools were among the best and were sold with an >> unconditional warranty. Not so any more. > > The best

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chris Elmquist via cctalk
On Sunday (07/02/2017 at 10:22AM -0400), Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:03 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > On 07/01/2017 10:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > > >> I was told years ago that in general the thinner-wall sockets

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:03 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 07/01/2017 10:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > >> I was told years ago that in general the thinner-wall sockets are better >> quality -- they have to be made from stronger steel alloy to work at

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 07/02/2017 01:03 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 07/01/2017 10:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: I was told years ago that in general the thinner-wall sockets are better quality -- they have to be made from stronger steel alloy to work at all. Obviously there are exceptions It

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 07/01/2017 10:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > >> I was told years ago that in general the thinner-wall sockets are better >> quality -- they have to be made from stronger steel alloy to work at >> all.

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/01/2017 10:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > I was told years ago that in general the thinner-wall sockets are better > quality -- they have to be made from stronger steel alloy to work at > all. Obviously there are exceptions It wouldn't surprise me if some of the cheaper stuff

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > Anyway, I picked up a cheap 7/32" deep socket from Menards ($3 or so) - and > as it happens, it Just Works without modification. It's not marketed as > thin-walled; I expect they just made it cheap by

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 07/01/2017 03:59 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 07/01/2017 01:23 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: It does look like I can get a 7/32" socket for a couple of bucks, though - so maybe I'll go that route for now and just shave it down a little with the bench grinder. It can live on

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/01/2017 01:23 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > It does look like I can get a 7/32" socket for a couple of bucks, though > - so maybe I'll go that route for now and just shave it down a little > with the bench grinder. It can live on the shelf with the homebrew Mac > case dismantling

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 07/01/2017 02:12 PM, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote: Jules Richardson via cctalk writes: Google suggests that they might be 7/32", but I'm not sure; that's less of a common size (vs. 3/16" or 1/4", say) - I'm not even sure I could find a driver like that around here.

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote: > Jules Richardson via cctalk writes: > >> Google suggests that they might be 7/32", but I'm not sure; that's >> less of a common size (vs. 3/16" or 1/4", say) - I'm not even sure I >>

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Adam Sampson via cctalk
Jules Richardson via cctalk writes: > Google suggests that they might be 7/32", but I'm not sure; that's > less of a common size (vs. 3/16" or 1/4", say) - I'm not even sure I > could find a driver like that around here. Yes, they're 7/32", but in a narrow hole that means

Re: Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/01/2017 09:28 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > Google suggests that they might be 7/32", but I'm not sure; that's less > of a common size (vs. 3/16" or 1/4", say) - I'm not even sure I could > find a driver like that around here. That's exactly what I use--get a decent one; some of

Model M case screws

2017-07-01 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
Can anyone tell me the size of the Model M keyboard case screws? The one I use on my main 'modern' PC could use a good clean, but the case recesses are a little too narrow for a typical socket to fit - I either need a nut driver, or to shave a little material off the outside of a socket to