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On 1/29/19 12:45 PM, Marvin Johnston via cctalk wrote: Many times I find free to be far to expensive for most people including myself (think postage/shipping/prep time.) Aside from stuff like museum donations, I have found giving things away for free is usually a pain. In my experience, most people who want the stuff that I am giving away aren't that committed to it and are slow to come pick it up or give a shipping address or ... I usually put a token price on items just to avoid the problem. But I will be making use of the "free" table of VCF-PNW. alan
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Sorry, but no. It?s grossly offensive for things that work perfectly well and that someone might actually find useful to go to scrap. There?s tons of useless and broken junk that our civilization can mine for scrap, we don?t need to actually destroy things that have actual value. If someone isn?t able to sell for the price they?d like to get, maybe the market won?t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping should be a course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can?t even give away, not a competing outlet for goods. -- Chris While I also don't like scrapping out things that work or can be repaired relatively easily, a saying I use in a variety of situation is "don't force your limitations on me, I have enough of my own." That said, I VERY much appreciate the free pile at VCFMW that allows me to get rid of stuff that will go to a good home rather than go to landfill or scrap (I DON'T DO EBAY!!!) Many times I find free to be far to expensive for most people including myself (think postage/shipping/prep time.)
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On 01/29/2019 05:38 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: Space is money. Organization is money. Information is money. Advertising / listing for sale takes time and money. And it all only gets worse if the item is heavy, dirty, or leaking. One of the most impressive (videos of) ""organization that I've seen is when Curious Mark and co went to visit Mr TTY (?) for parts for their TTYs. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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At 07:13 PM 1/28/2019, dwight via cctalk wrote: >When looking at the 45 minutes, also consider the various overheads involved. >They are in business. Time is money. Space is money. Organization is money. Information is money. Advertising / listing for sale takes time and money. And it all only gets worse if the item is heavy, dirty, or leaking. - John
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Will is right. You have to convince them that it will be worth their time to sort that particular item out, find packaging to send it and deal with the typical book keeping required by their particular state, as compared to the time/return of just tossing it into the fire to burn off the undesired part. Say it takes them 45 minutes to handle one board and compare that to the hundreds of boards in the same time to reprocess. When looking at the 45 minutes, also consider the various overheads involved. They are in business. Time is money. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of William Donzelli via cctalk Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:24 PM To: Chris Hanson; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers > If someone isn’t able to sell for the price they’d like to get, maybe the > market won’t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping should be a > course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can’t even > give away, not a competing outlet for goods. But in this case, there IS a price that the market WILL bear. And that price is determined by scrap/mining/commodity factors. The prices exists, and the market exists. Complain all you want, but if you want to win the fight, so need to know what you are dealing with. -- Will -- Will
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> If someone isn’t able to sell for the price they’d like to get, maybe the > market won’t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping should be a > course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can’t even > give away, not a competing outlet for goods. But in this case, there IS a price that the market WILL bear. And that price is determined by scrap/mining/commodity factors. The prices exists, and the market exists. Complain all you want, but if you want to win the fight, so need to know what you are dealing with. -- Will -- Will
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Sorry, but no. It’s grossly offensive for things that work perfectly well and that someone might actually find useful to go to scrap. There’s tons of useless and broken junk that our civilization can mine for scrap, we don’t need to actually destroy things that have actual value. If someone isn’t able to sell for the price they’d like to get, maybe the market won’t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping should be a course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can’t even give away, not a competing outlet for goods. -- Chris
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all the 3000 stuff too? sorry to hear that Al.. back in the 80s would visit him nice guy glad to hear he is,still alive. ed# ... -Original Message- From: Al Kossow via cctalk To: cctalk Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2019 07:49 PM Subject: Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers On 1/26/19 5:40 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > Is Larry at Crisis computer still around? He is in Sacramento. Most of what he had was scrapped 15 years ago. A large number of Bay Area people were involved in saving what could be saved. I ended up with a lot of 9000/300 stuff. I didn't go after any 21xx stuff because I had literally hundreds of boards. All were stolen from a storage container about a year ago.
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It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > >Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research > >and gain experience. > > That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and > unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so > much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the > auction. > > I've found the best policy is to be honest with people in such > situations. If a scrapper is planing on getting $200 in raw materials, > I'm not going to waist anybody's time bidding $50. > > Be polite, ask questions, don't take anything personally. Try not to > insult people. I remember attending an auction at a local university some twenty years ago [1] with some friends, hoping to score some computer equipment. There was a sizable crowd there, but two bidders stood out. One was a guy there with a young kid, and another was an older gentleman. The older gentleman had a bankroll and was *continuously* outbidding *everbody* and seemed pissed that there were other bidders there [2]. The man with the young kid started bidding on an old fusball table for his kid and the older gentleman was determined to get it---drive the price up something fierce and I'm sure he priced the other fusball table according to the driven up price at the auction. He outbid me for a pile of equipment (I was really interested in one item, not the lot as a whole). I approached him afterwards, offering to buy the one item and he blew me off, not wanting to bother to even part with the one item right there, for cash. It ruined the auction for me, the father, and others I'm sure. -spc [1] I was a former student at said university. [2] How dare these civilians bid on stuff!
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On 1/26/19 5:40 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > Is Larry at Crisis computer still around? He is in Sacramento. Most of what he had was scrapped 15 years ago. A large number of Bay Area people were involved in saving what could be saved. I ended up with a lot of 9000/300 stuff. I didn't go after any 21xx stuff because I had literally hundreds of boards. All were stolen from a storage container about a year ago.
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Is Larry at Crisis computer still around? Jay used to know him too back years ago. Ed# In a message dated 1/26/2019 6:35:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and > unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so > much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the > auction. Start now with the research. You can gain quite a lot knowledge from the various scrap forums and Youtube videos. -- Will
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> That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and > unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so > much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the > auction. Start now with the research. You can gain quite a lot knowledge from the various scrap forums and Youtube videos. -- Will
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I spoke with Mike, last year, around the time they were closing their doors. I'm fuzzy on the details, now, but dimly recall something about them possibly trying to hold on to much of the stock, despite losing the warehouse, with the possibility of reopening in some shape or form. With that said, he didn't reply to emails sent after that and I'm not aware of any further action on that front, so don't hold out much hope. -- Robert On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:31 PM Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jay West via cctech > wrote: > > > > Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. > > I appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken > > care of directly with Jesse and I'm happy. > > > > We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for > > stuff at a price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts > > won't be around. By the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't > > pay typical full price that corporations/military can. We must be willing > > to pay something above scrap value, of course. > > > > I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward. > > Also, the dealers in this gear disappear over time if they can't stay > in business. I bought some HP cables from 360 Technologies > (360tech.com) last year and now they are gone. Anyone know what > happened to whatever was left of their stock? Is Monterey Bay > Communications (www.montbay.com) still in business or have they been > gone for a while? I think I sent them an email inquiry a few months > back and never got a response. Any other dealers with HP 1000 gear > that are still in business?
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On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research and gain experience. That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the auction. I've found the best policy is to be honest with people in such situations. If a scrapper is planing on getting $200 in raw materials, I'm not going to waist anybody's time bidding $50. Be polite, ask questions, don't take anything personally. Try not to insult people. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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> I'm referring to times when I have absolutely no idea what is > reasonable. Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research and gain experience. -- Will
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On 1/26/19 6:02 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: With that attitude, you will lose a lot more deals than you win. ... Don't be a cheapskate, basically. I think I came across wrong. I'm not trying to be a cheapskate. I have no objection at all to paying reasonable amounts that the market will bring. I'm referring to times when I have absolutely no idea what is reasonable. If I find out it's value is significantly higher than my passing interest I want to identify that and communicate it early. I want to NOT waste anyone's time. I want to avoid insulting anyone. Hence my desire to honestly communicate my position. If I can't run with then big dogs, that's fine. I don't want to falsely slow them down. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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> I would think knowing a minimum scrap value plus some reasonable > handling fees would be for things when conducting such deals. With that attitude, you will lose a lot more deals than you win. You have to beat scrap price by a *substantial* amount. You need to convince the dealer (or scrapper) to do something that is not routine - business runs on routine. You also need to make it worthwhile to get around any prearranged relationship a dealer might have with a scrapper, or a scrapper with a mill or refiner. And you need to show the dealer that you are serious about buying - something we collectors have managed to screw up for the past...forever. Don't be a cheapskate, basically. -- Will
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Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of directly with Jesse and I'm happy. We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for stuff at a price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts won't be around. By the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't pay typical full price that corporations/military can. We must be willing to pay something above scrap value, of course. I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward. Best, J
