Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 09/08/2018 03:57 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > My first TTY was the DECwriter II. My first terminal was a Beehive > BH100. I hacked together some TECO to support it on a local > vi/emacs/EDT-like visual mode editor... IIRC, the escape sequences were > put into specific numbered registers as TECO

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Sep 8, 2018, 12:06 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 09/08/2018 10:07 AM, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: > > I miss my old Televideo 910. I wonder if Steve Albany stole it? > > > > At ASU, when I was a kid pulling DECwriter printers out the bin to check > > for printouts in

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 09/08/2018 10:07 AM, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: > I miss my old Televideo 910. I wonder if Steve Albany stole it? > > At ASU, when I was a kid pulling DECwriter printers out the bin to check > for printouts in half-duplex, they had something called an Infoton. It was > uppercase only

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
Infotrons!   and the old  UPPER  CASE ONLY  BEEHIVES! I  remember those and also  the old  TEC terminals   A recent  TEC   endowment to the museum was  of all these multi colored  books  TEC  put out on all their  terminal lines.   I need  to see   where  they  may already  be  scanned.. in   

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I miss my old Televideo 910. I wonder if Steve Albany stole it? At ASU, when I was a kid pulling DECwriter printers out the bin to check for printouts in half-duplex, they had something called an Infoton. It was uppercase only and had the worst keyboard, ever. It felt like typing on a wet

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 21:08, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > I just put up some pictures of the vt02, 05, 20, and 71t > under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal Oddly, since others are commenting, this whole site is inaccessible for me in Prague, both yesterday and today. « This site can’t

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Ed Sharpe via cctalk
had a  tectronix   terminal like this  also  had a  slide out  drawer  with many  small gold  plated  cards  looked  like the  earliest    tecx  made  terminal  for graphics I had  ever  seen.   was  heavy  very heavy and very long  with  I still had  it...  it  was   back in the mid  80s  I 

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 09/07/2018 02:55 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: That’s it! The terminal I had was definitely the one in this picture: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt02/vt02_1.jpg The display is actually a Tektronix 611 direct-view storage tube. Jon

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:33 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > I also looked at the keyboards on my Symbolics machines, and where I’d like > to have the control key is the “rubout” key. But

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:33 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I also looked at the keyboards on my Symbolics machines, and where I’d > like to have the control key is the “rubout” key. But given that there are > no fewer than 5 “shift” keys on the Symbolics

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Frank McConnell via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> interesting.. the vt71t has inverted-T cursor keys > > And CAPS LOCK in the home row to the left of the A key. The VT220 made it > w-i-d-e. Can we now fix the

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM Frank McConnell via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > interesting.. the vt71t has inverted-T cursor keys > > And CAPS LOCK in the home row to the left of the A key. The VT220 made it > w-i-d-e. Can

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Frank McConnell via cctalk
On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:00, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > interesting.. the vt71t has inverted-T cursor keys And CAPS LOCK in the home row to the left of the A key. The VT220 made it w-i-d-e. Can we now fix the blame for the two of the three worst ideas in computer keyboard design on

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
That’s it! The terminal I had was definitely the one in this picture: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt02/vt02_1.jpg -- Mark J. Blair http://www.nf6x.net

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > I just put up some pictures of the vt02, 05, 20, and 71t > under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal Nice, working photos of a VT20. I'd forgotten the oddball keys on the side. In the VT71 picture, you can see the UDKs --

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Al Kossow > I just put up some pictures of the vt02, 05 Those useable for the CHWiki (with credit, of course)? Oddly enough, I just did the article on the VT05 about a week ago! Noel

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
interesting.. the vt71t has inverted-T cursor keys On 9/7/18 11:57 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > I just put up some pictures of the vt02, 05, 20, and 71t > under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal >

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
I just put up some pictures of the vt02, 05, 20, and 71t under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal On 9/7/18 10:45 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > Thanks for digging that up! I had never managed to google up any details > before. > > -- > Mark J. Blair > http://www.nf6x.net >

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
Thanks for digging that up! I had never managed to google up any details before. -- Mark J. Blair http://www.nf6x.net

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/7/18 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > The VT02 was apparently a PDP-8 device > > https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1185657/m2/1/high_res_d/6649931.pdf > This was hard to find, because web searches turn up hundreds of hits from some dufus that mistyped VT02

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/7/18 9:09 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > The display was a fully enclosed standalone unit, not a bare chassis. It sat > on top of the bottom chassis of the terminal and then had another cover > fitted over it. > > It had screen burn which indicated its use as part of a text

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk > wrote: > > The display was most likely a Tektronix 611. DEC used them with their point > plot display systems like the VC8E. I am pretty sure that the display was a 611 in its vertical configuration:

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk
Speaking of oddball terminals, does anyone have details on Cybernex APL-100 terminals? I acquired one a couple of years ago and have had no luck locating documentation for them. From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 8:41:23 AM Subject: Re: Oddbal

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-07 Thread Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk
On 9/6/2018 10:38 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: A long time ago, I had the incomplete remnants of an oddball terminal which I retrieved from a junk pile at a small, obscure school in Pasadena. I'll try to describe it as best I can, based on old memory. I could have sworn that it had a

Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

2018-09-06 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
A long time ago, I had the incomplete remnants of an oddball terminal which I retrieved from a junk pile at a small, obscure school in Pasadena. I'll try to describe it as best I can, based on old memory. I could have sworn that it had a dataplate label identifying it as a DEC VT02, but that