Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-25 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 12:56 PM 25/06/2019 +0200, Liam Proven wrote: >On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 12:31, Tony Aiuto via cctalk > wrote: >> >> On a related note, a fun talk about ARM >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2045=_6sh097Dk5k > >Remarkable. Thanks for the link. Astounding. Very thought-provoking.

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-25 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 12:31, Tony Aiuto via cctalk wrote: > > On a related note, a fun talk about ARM > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2045=_6sh097Dk5k Remarkable. Thanks for the link. Astounding. Very thought-provoking. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-24 Thread Tony Aiuto via cctalk
On a related note, a fun talk about ARM https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2045=_6sh097Dk5k

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-17 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 08:25:13AM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > It's difficult to say exactly, because of the constraints on the > definition. Or does something have to be RISC only if it came after > the definition? > I would say that one of the points he was making is that the

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/16/19 8:17 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > Still, the basic idea of RISC still applies; make the CPU clock rate as fast > as > possible by making the instructions simple, and let software deal with the > resulting > issues. I'll mention in passing here that the goal of executing the

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-16 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
I finally got around to reading that note. My principal reponse is that it got so far down into details that I couldn't see the larger picture any more. Going back to the original IBM 801 work, the RISC concept is very simple: to make the overall system as fast as possible; it did this by

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/15/19 3:40 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 6/15/2019 8:47 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: > >> With VAX 11/780 and S/360 involved ? I don't think so soo >> the Cyber series and 709(4) could be interesting. > > Well the early 1960's was the rise of BIG IRON that had REAL POWER > and

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 6/15/2019 8:47 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: With VAX 11/780 and S/360 involved ? I don't think so soo the Cyber series and 709(4) could be interesting. Well the early 1960's was the rise of BIG IRON that had REAL POWER and that led to people thinking about high level languages and

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/15/19 7:47 AM, Stefan Skoglund wrote: > > With VAX 11/780 and S/360 involved ? I don't think so soo > the Cyber series and 709(4) could be interesting. It's difficult to say exactly, because of the constraints on the definition. Or does something have to be RISC only if it came after the

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-15 Thread Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
ons 2019-06-12 klockan 14:35 -0700 skrev Chuck Guzis via cctalk: > On 6/12/19 1:47 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote: > > I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his > > specific > > ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then > > provided > > an analysis of a

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/12/19 1:47 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote: > > I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific > ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided > an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an > analysis of the outliers that

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Alan, > I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific > ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided > an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an > analysis of the outliers that challenged his criteria. It's a well

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread alan--- via cctalk
I especially appreciated he not only offered an opinion - his specific ideas on where the boarder between RISC and CISC was - but then provided an analysis of a bunch of processors based on those criteria and an analysis of the outliers that challenged his criteria. It's a well thought-out

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On June 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > > > Ok. Here is a second thank you. An interesting read. > > On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > > wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: > > > > > > I found it most interesting, thanks for

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/12/19 10:14 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: >> >> https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html > > Nice. Still reading through it. > > I like his

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
Ok. Here is a second thank you. An interesting read. > On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: >> >> I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. > > Oh good. I'm glad to hear that. One "thank you" makes

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: > > https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html Nice. Still reading through it. I like his definition of RISC. It captures the key points. Interesting that a

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:55, David wrote: > > I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. Oh good. I'm glad to hear that. One "thank you" makes it worth the while. :-) -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus:

Re: One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread David via cctalk
I found it most interesting, thanks for sending out the link. David > On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: > > https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html > > -- > Liam Proven - Profile:

One of the deeper dives into RISC vs CISC I've seen

2019-06-12 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
Goes a bit over my head but may be of interest: https://userpages.umbc.edu/~vijay/mashey.on.risc.html -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: