Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Mouse]

> Basically, I expect that the complaint is that the lines have extraneous for$

Actually, speaking personally, that is less relevant than the irregular
spacing - and even that is not really much of a problem, not nearly as
much of an annoyance as multi-hundred-character lines the recipient is
expected to add line-breaks to but which are not marked as reflowable.
(If you want the recipient to reflow text, RFC3676 is your friend.)

Mouse

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Jay Jaeger]

Basically, I expect that the complaint is that the lines have extraneous forced 
new lines in them instead of just flowing and letting the recipients email 
client take care of it.  I use Thunderbird and noticed this behavior but I 
don't yet know how to fix it either.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 03:27, simon  wrote:
> 
> I am very curious as what you are talking about. Is it something with html in 
> mail? I configured thunderbird to only show me plain text so I can focus on 
> the content and not some graphic noise.
> 
> 
> simon
> On 20-11-15 23:06, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos   etc
>>> to any of  you  needing something that  will
>>> 
>>> print--- nice photos
>>> print  11 x 17
>>> scan a tad larger than  11 x 17
>>> fax
>>> reasonable price
>>> free OCR software
>>> built in duplex printing
>>> has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size
>>> 
>>> get a hp officejet 7612
>>> 
>>> I got mine on sale  for  $160
>>> 
>>> not a speed demon but  a helpful device
>>> it is handy.  there are  times we need to print something larger  than
>>> legal size  for museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,
>>> schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.
>>> 
>>> we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.
>>> 
>>> patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have to
>>> contract with one of our  offsite  vendors.
>>> (shoemakers  children analogy etc.)
>>> 
>>> Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
>> 
>> Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation for not
>> getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to be able to sort
>> your incoming AOL mail?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Peter Coghlan.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke Groet,
> 
> Simon Claessen
> drukknop.nl

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[simon]

I am very curious as what you are talking about. Is it something with 
html in mail? I configured thunderbird to only show me plain text so I 
can focus on the content and not some graphic noise.



simon
On 20-11-15 23:06, Peter Coghlan wrote:


Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos   etc
to any of  you  needing something that  will

print--- nice photos
print  11 x 17
scan a tad larger than  11 x 17
fax
reasonable price
free OCR software
built in duplex printing
has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size

get a hp officejet 7612

I got mine on sale  for  $160

not a speed demon but  a helpful device
it is handy.  there are  times we need to print something larger  than
legal size  for museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,
schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.

we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.

patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have to
contract with one of our  offsite  vendors.
(shoemakers  children analogy etc.)

Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC



Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation for not
getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to be able to sort
your incoming AOL mail?

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.



--
Met vriendelijke Groet,

Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[william degnan]

>
>
>
> As usual, while looking for something else I finally happened to find the
> LA100
> docs and ROMs and I've sent the ROM images to Jonathan separately; the
> print set
> is 11" x 17" and I'll contact Noel off-list regarding scanning.
>
>


I hear you...today looking for something totally unrelated I found an LA30
keyboard.  Now I just need to find an LA30...
-- 
Bill

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Peter Coghlan]

>
> Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos   etc 
> to any of  you  needing something that  will 
> 
> print--- nice photos
> print  11 x 17
> scan a tad larger than  11 x 17
> fax
> reasonable price
> free OCR software
> built in duplex printing
> has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size
> 
> get a hp officejet 7612
> 
> I got mine on sale  for  $160
> 
> not a speed demon but  a helpful device 
> it is handy.  there are  times we need to print something larger  than  
> legal size  for museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,  
> schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.
> 
> we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.
> 
> patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have to 
> contract with one of our  offsite  vendors.
> (shoemakers  children analogy etc.)
> 
> Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
>

Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation for not
getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to be able to sort
your incoming AOL mail?

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Pete Turnbull]

On 20/11/2015 22:33, Jay Jaeger wrote:

I dunno about Ed, but my usual email client (Thunderbird) does that
if you use plain text, and I haven't seen where to fix it.  It is
indeed annoying - for the sender, too.


Thunderbird doesn't do that for me, but you could try using the rewrap 
command?



On Nov 20, 2015, at 16:06, Peter Coghlan 
wrote:



Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos
etc to any of  you  needing something that  will

print--- nice photos print  11 x 17 scan a tad larger than  11 x
17 fax reasonable price free OCR software built in duplex
printing has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size

get a hp officejet 7612

I got mine on sale  for  $160

not a speed demon but  a helpful device it is handy.  there are
times we need to print something larger  than legal size  for
museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,
schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.

we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.

patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have
to contract with one of our  offsite  vendors. (shoemakers
children analogy etc.)

Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC


Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation
for not getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to
be able to sort your incoming AOL mail?

Regards, Peter Coghlan.


--
Pete

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Al Kossow]

On 9/21/15 8:02 PM, Jonathan Gevaryahu wrote:


The direct prompt of this request was the desire to get one or more of the dot 
matrix teleprinters running in MAME/MESS, the progress of which can be seen at
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mess/drivers/decwritr.c , with 
the LA120, but the ROMs I have right know for the LA120 fail their built-in 
checksum test, so I'm stuck at a development
impasse until I can get some more roms to work with (or correctly re-dumped 
copies of the existing roms).



I just uploaded the user, tech and IPB manuals for the LA120 to bitsavers.
The mirrors should pick them up tonight.

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Mike Stein

> I don't think I can scan the print set; IIRC the pages were longer
> than 14".

How much longer? My A3 scanner will take up to 17". I'd be happy to scan them
for you (and return them afterwards) if you send them to me.

(BTW, this offer is open to everyone/anyone - although if I get 23 sets of
prints, please don't expect instant service! Please contact me first.)

Noel

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Mike Stein]

I'll certainly keep you in mind, thanks!

Now I just have to find 'em...

m

- Original Message - 
From: "Noel Chiappa" <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

To: <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Cc: <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms



   > From: Mike Stein

   > I don't think I can scan the print set; 
IIRC the pages were longer

   > than 14".

How much longer? My A3 scanner will take up to 
17". I'd be happy to scan them
for you (and return them afterwards) if you send 
them to me.


(BTW, this offer is open to everyone/anyone - 
although if I get 23 sets of
prints, please don't expect instant service! 
Please contact me first.)


Noel 

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[william degnan]

Thanks.  I will see what I can do.
B

Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On Sep 21, 2015 11:02 PM, "Jonathan Gevaryahu"  wrote:

> There isn't a complete archive of these ROMs in existence currently. Pete
> Turnbull's site does contain an archive, but it isn't anywhere near
> complete. The drivers in MAME/MESS also act as a sort of archive as well.
>
> The direct prompt of this request was the desire to get one or more of the
> dot matrix teleprinters running in MAME/MESS, the progress of which can be
> seen at
> https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mess/drivers/decwritr.c ,
> with the LA120, but the ROMs I have right know for the LA120 fail their
> built-in checksum test, so I'm stuck at a development impasse until I can
> get some more roms to work with (or correctly re-dumped copies of the
> existing roms).
>
> The end result of what I'm trying to do would hopefully look something
> like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l20V7f2sM8c
>
> On 9/21/2015 3:19 PM, william degnan wrote:
>
>What are you going to do with these?  Is there a ROM archive for DEC
>printer ROMs?
>
>On 9/21/2015 3:14 PM, Jonathan Gevaryahu wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have an LA36, LA120 or LAS12, LA34, LA100, or LA210
>> somewhere which they could dump the ROMs from?
>>
>> Notes:
>> The LA36 uses several proms for its discrete cpu, and 2 character
>> set roms which I believe have an 'odd' pinout.
>>
>> The LA120, one of the roms on the '2 rom version' is an 8k 2364 24
>> pin chip which is a bit annoying to dump, since you either need a
>> 2364->2764 24->28 pin adapter, or (better) a programmer which can
>> dump MC68764 or MC68766 24-pin 8k eproms (which have the same
>> pinout as 2364). The other rom on the 2 rom version is a 2k 2316
>> 24 pin chip.
>> The oldest LA120 version uses 5 roms, all 2k 2316s. The code on
>> the 5-rom version and the 2-rom version may very well be the same
>> (the first 4 2k chips consolidated to one 8k chip), I'm not sure.
>> Would be nice to get dumps of both versions.
>> The LAS12 uses different code from the LA120 and to the best of my
>> knowledge all LAS12s use 2 roms, one 8k and one 2k.
>>
>> LA34, theres at LEAST five firmware versions, almost certainly
>> six, and possibly as many as seven. There is also a special
>> firmware for a 'rom expansion' daughterboard.
>> The 1978 LA34 "54-13374" motherboard has a bizarre Intel i8355
>> mask rom+io chip in it, plus a separate rom as well. (there are at
>> least two versions of said i8355+rom firmware). Dumping the i8355
>> is not for the faint of heart, it would likely be easier to insert
>> a 'dumping program' eprom into the single rom's socket, and use
>> the LA34's cpu to spit its own rom contents out via serial.
>> The 1980 LA34 "54-13747" motherboard lacks the i8355 and uses 2 or
>> 3 mask roms or eproms on it instead (and 74xx logic for the i/o).
>> There are at least three rom revisions for this, possibly four or
>> five.
>>
>> LA100 (AKA LW100)... I have no idea. There's definitely at least
>> one rom revision. Also to the best of my knowledge neither the
>> maintenance print set nor the technical manual for the LA100 are
>> scanned (they certainly don't appear at
>> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/terminal/la100/ ),
>> which makes it difficult to know.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jonathan Gevaryahu
> jgevary...@gmail.com
> jgevary...@hotmail.com
>
>

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Mark J. Blair]

I have an LA120. It's working fine, and I haven't looked inside yet.

I also have one of the little Correspondents (I forget the LA number), waiting 
for me to get around to rebuilding a ribbon for it.

I'm not sure if I have a convenient way to dump the 23xx ROMs yet. I don't have 
my Data-I/O 212 handy to look at its supported device list. 

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Jonathan Gevaryahu]

Does anyone have an LA36, LA120 or LAS12, LA34, LA100, or LA210 
somewhere which they could dump the ROMs from?


Notes:
The LA36 uses several proms for its discrete cpu, and 2 character set 
roms which I believe have an 'odd' pinout.


The LA120, one of the roms on the '2 rom version' is an 8k 2364 24 pin 
chip which is a bit annoying to dump, since you either need a 2364->2764 
24->28 pin adapter, or (better) a programmer which can dump MC68764 or 
MC68766 24-pin 8k eproms (which have the same pinout as 2364). The other 
rom on the 2 rom version is a 2k 2316 24 pin chip.
The oldest LA120 version uses 5 roms, all 2k 2316s. The code on the 
5-rom version and the 2-rom version may very well be the same (the first 
4 2k chips consolidated to one 8k chip), I'm not sure. Would be nice to 
get dumps of both versions.
The LAS12 uses different code from the LA120 and to the best of my 
knowledge all LAS12s use 2 roms, one 8k and one 2k.


LA34, theres at LEAST five firmware versions, almost certainly six, and 
possibly as many as seven. There is also a special firmware for a 'rom 
expansion' daughterboard.
The 1978 LA34 "54-13374" motherboard has a bizarre Intel i8355 mask 
rom+io chip in it, plus a separate rom as well. (there are at least two 
versions of said i8355+rom firmware). Dumping the i8355 is not for the 
faint of heart, it would likely be easier to insert a 'dumping program' 
eprom into the single rom's socket, and use the LA34's cpu to spit its 
own rom contents out via serial.
The 1980 LA34 "54-13747" motherboard lacks the i8355 and uses 2 or 3 
mask roms or eproms on it instead (and 74xx logic for the i/o). There 
are at least three rom revisions for this, possibly four or five.


LA100 (AKA LW100)... I have no idea. There's definitely at least one rom 
revision. Also to the best of my knowledge neither the maintenance print 
set nor the technical manual for the LA100 are scanned (they certainly 
don't appear at 
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/terminal/la100/ ), which 
makes it difficult to know.


--
Jonathan Gevaryahu
jgevary...@gmail.com
jgevary...@hotmail.com

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[william degnan]

What are you going to do with these?  Is there a ROM archive for DEC
printer ROMs?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Gevaryahu 
wrote:

> Does anyone have an LA36, LA120 or LAS12, LA34, LA100, or LA210 somewhere
> which they could dump the ROMs from?
>
> Notes:
> The LA36 uses several proms for its discrete cpu, and 2 character set roms
> which I believe have an 'odd' pinout.
>
> The LA120, one of the roms on the '2 rom version' is an 8k 2364 24 pin
> chip which is a bit annoying to dump, since you either need a 2364->2764
> 24->28 pin adapter, or (better) a programmer which can dump MC68764 or
> MC68766 24-pin 8k eproms (which have the same pinout as 2364). The other
> rom on the 2 rom version is a 2k 2316 24 pin chip.
> The oldest LA120 version uses 5 roms, all 2k 2316s. The code on the 5-rom
> version and the 2-rom version may very well be the same (the first 4 2k
> chips consolidated to one 8k chip), I'm not sure. Would be nice to get
> dumps of both versions.
> The LAS12 uses different code from the LA120 and to the best of my
> knowledge all LAS12s use 2 roms, one 8k and one 2k.
>
> LA34, theres at LEAST five firmware versions, almost certainly six, and
> possibly as many as seven. There is also a special firmware for a 'rom
> expansion' daughterboard.
> The 1978 LA34 "54-13374" motherboard has a bizarre Intel i8355 mask rom+io
> chip in it, plus a separate rom as well. (there are at least two versions
> of said i8355+rom firmware). Dumping the i8355 is not for the faint of
> heart, it would likely be easier to insert a 'dumping program' eprom into
> the single rom's socket, and use the LA34's cpu to spit its own rom
> contents out via serial.
> The 1980 LA34 "54-13747" motherboard lacks the i8355 and uses 2 or 3 mask
> roms or eproms on it instead (and 74xx logic for the i/o). There are at
> least three rom revisions for this, possibly four or five.
>
> LA100 (AKA LW100)... I have no idea. There's definitely at least one rom
> revision. Also to the best of my knowledge neither the maintenance print
> set nor the technical manual for the LA100 are scanned (they certainly
> don't appear at http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/terminal/la100/
> ), which makes it difficult to know.
>
> --
> Jonathan Gevaryahu
> jgevary...@gmail.com
> jgevary...@hotmail.com
>
>


-- 
Bill
vintagecomputer.net

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Jay Jaeger]

On 9/21/2015 2:19 PM, william degnan wrote:
> What are you going to do with these?  Is there a ROM archive for DEC
> printer ROMs?
> 

Well, I expect bitsavers would happily host them in .../bits ;)