Re: Current MANX location

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

ons 2019-08-21 klockan 18:30 +0100 skrev Antonio Carlini via cctalk:
> On 21/08/2019 15:46, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > I have mixed reactions to it. I use it some, often to see if
> > something is
> > online at all. (If I buy a manual, I usually check, to see if I
> > need to
> > scan it, and get it to Al. Have a backlog at the moment, sigh.)
> > 
> > The problem is that there are 'false negatives'; i.e. entries where
> > they say 'none known online', but which are available.
> 
> It is (AFAIK) a one-person effort (although it's now on its second 
> person after the originator dropped out).
> 
> 
> There's always been a link to create a "bug report" for missing
> manuals 
> (or incorrect ones I guess). However that points at codeplex, which
> MS 
> have made read-only, so I don't know what the correct mechanism might
> be 
> to get things fixed. I guess the owner needs to move the code
> somewhere 
> else ...
> 
> 

would something like mender.io be something like that ?

Re: Current MANX location

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

On 21/08/2019 15:46, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:


I have mixed reactions to it. I use it some, often to see if something is
online at all. (If I buy a manual, I usually check, to see if I need to
scan it, and get it to Al. Have a backlog at the moment, sigh.)

The problem is that there are 'false negatives'; i.e. entries where
they say 'none known online', but which are available.



It is (AFAIK) a one-person effort (although it's now on its second 
person after the originator dropped out).



There's always been a link to create a "bug report" for missing manuals 
(or incorrect ones I guess). However that points at codeplex, which MS 
have made read-only, so I don't know what the correct mechanism might be 
to get things fixed. I guess the owner needs to move the code somewhere 
else ...



Antonio


--

Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com

RE: Current MANX location

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> They try and list all known DEC manuals and print sets 

Ooops, my mistake; the coverage is much wider than that (they default to
DEC). On the home page, there's a pull-down menu labelled "Company",
which lists over 100.


> From: "Paul Birkel" 

>> the KE11-B I also just found (IIRC, on one of the collections they list
>> as indexed).

> Please share a pointer to the location of that document

Here:

  
http://wwcm.synology.me/pdf/KE11-B%20Arithmetic%20Unit%20Engineering%20Drawings.pdf

It was in someone's clone of Wilber Williams' Computer Museum (UQ Museum of
IT), which is indeed in Manx's list of sites they included. ('.me' is
Montenegro, and Synology is some Taiwanese tech company.) The whole list is
here:

  http://wwcm.synology.me/scanned.html

They have a lot of good stuff (I just found an MD10 brochure there, which is
AFAIK the only piece of MD10 documentation left in the world, other than a
section in a PDP-10 manual). I need to go through it and see what else they
have that I'm missing...

Noel

RE: Current MANX location

[Paul Birkel via cctalk]

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:46 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Current MANX location

...
  KE11-B Field Maintenance Print Set
  http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9361

Both listed as not online, but they are: the KE11-A is on Bitsavers,
and the KE11-B I also just found (IIRC, on one of the collections they
list as indexed).

Noel

-

Please share a pointer to the location of that document, Noel.  Thank you.

paul

Re: Current MANX location

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 7:46 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> So I'd use it as a 'first stop', but don't depend on the negatives to
> be accurate - do a Web seach if it pans out.

In the case of the ALL-IN-1 documentation, it was sort of a “Last Stop”.  I’ve 
found some at archive.org, but the main file is corrupt.  I finally purchased 
one of the documents I was after.

Zane

Re: Current MANX location

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:28 PM, John H. Reinhardt 
>  wrote:
>>> Anyway... What version of the ADA manuals are you looking for?  VSI has 
>>> some for an Alpha Version 3.5 that they scraped off the HP site before they 
>>> disappeared.  I have some older VAX ConDists that might have ADA 
>>> documentation. 
>>> 
>>> Some links that still work: 
>>> 
>>> Master SLP/ODL Index 1997- 2017 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just Checked.  I have the 1999 Q3 (Sept) SPL and ODL which should have VAX 
>>> ADA V3.5 binaries and Documentation.  Are there Hobbyist PAKs for them? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> John H. Reinhardt 
>> 
>> Here's the link the the VSI "Legacy" documentation page.  The Ada there is 
>> V3.5 for Alpha but if you want VAX I would think that it's close. 
>> 
>  
> 
> 
> No comment.  *facepalm*
> -- 
> John H. Reinhardt
Thank you for reminding me about the VSI page, I’d forgotten about that, and 
grabbing the Ada manuals a few months ago. :-)  I have some ConDists with 
documentation, but like the PDF’s.  With the PDF’s I can load them on my iPad 
and read them while I’m flying.

I’m running the current version.  The Ada license PAK has been part of the 
hobbyist licenses since at least the 2nd hobbyist release, so about 20 years.

Zane

Re: Current MANX location

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Zane Healy

> What I found really odd was that it had part numbers and manual names
> from one version, but when I clicked on the links it said no known
> version online.

They try and list all known DEC manuals and print sets that ever existed, so
just because something is listed in the index page (and has a subsidiary page
which is linked from there), doesn't mean there's a known copy online.

If you look in the "Status" column on the index page, it will be blank if no
online copy is known, or "Online" if there is a copy (to which they link,
through the subsidiary page).


I have mixed reactions to it. I use it some, often to see if something is
online at all. (If I buy a manual, I usually check, to see if I need to
scan it, and get it to Al. Have a backlog at the moment, sigh.)

The problem is that there are 'false negatives'; i.e. entries where
they say 'none known online', but which are available. E.g.

  KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set
  http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358
  KE11-B Field Maintenance Print Set
  http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9361

Both listed as not online, but they are: the KE11-A is on Bitsavers,
and the KE11-B I also just found (IIRC, on one of the collections they
list as indexed).

So I'd use it as a 'first stop', but don't depend on the negatives to
be accurate - do a Web seach if it pans out.

Noel

RE: Current MANX location

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of John H. Reinhardt
> via cctalk
> Sent: 21 August 2019 05:29
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ;
> Zane Healy 
> Subject: Re: Current MANX location
> 
> On 8/20/2019 11:26 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:
> > On 8/20/2019 11:08 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
> >> On 8/20/2019 10:37 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 5:16 PM, John H. Reinhardt via
> cctalk  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/20/2019 1:51 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> >>>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via
> cctalk  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Glen Slick
> >>>>>>> This?
> >>>>>> Yes; thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a
> >>>>>> number of different things, no luck.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also,http://manx.classiccmp.org/  (which is the medium-old URL I
> >>>>>> had for it) redirects to something that has no working link to
> >>>>>> Manx; probably ought to fix it to go to the new location.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Noel
> >>>>> Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate
> source of manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I
> searched it, apparently don’t exist online anywhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Zane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's kind of like an internet index.  Most (if not all?) of the entries 
> >>>> are
> pointers to where the document is (or was) located.  I've run across some dead
> links but most seem to be current.  At least the stuff I've searched for.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> John H. Reinhardt
> >>> Leave it to me to search for obscure stuff, like manuals for DEC ALL-IN-1,
> or DEC Ada.  What I found really odd was that it had part numbers and manual
> names from one version, but when I clicked on the links it said no known
> version online.
> >>>
> >>> Zane
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Anyway... What version of the ADA manuals are you looking for? VSI has
> some for an Alpha Version 3.5 that they scraped off the HP site before they
> disappeared.  I have some older VAX ConDists that might have ADA
> documentation.
> >>
> >> Some links that still work:
> >>
> >> Master SLP/ODL Index 1997- 2017
> >> <http://h30266.www3.hpe.com/masterindex/Consolidations_external.shtml
> >> >
> >>
> >> Just Checked.  I have the 1999 Q3 (Sept) SPL and ODL which should have VAX
> ADA V3.5 binaries and Documentation.  Are there Hobbyist PAKs for them?
> >>

I think the ADA on the 1993 CDs is V3.0. That’s what is listed on the 1994 SPL 
which I downloaded from Vaxhaven . 
There are later SPL CDs at VAXHAVEN and I have some as well ...
My Hobbyist Licence includes an ADA licence, my ODL  CD which I think is 
from around 2001 has the ADA 3.5 documents.

Dave Wade 


> >>
> >> --
> >> John H. Reinhardt
> >
> > Here's the link the the VSI "Legacy" documentation page.  The Ada there is
> V3.5 for Alpha but if you want VAX I would think that it's close.
> >
> <https://www.vmssoftware.com/products_doc_hp_legacy.html>
> 
> 
> No comment.  *facepalm*
> 
> --
> John H. Reinhardt

Re: Current MANX location

[John H. Reinhardt via cctalk]

On 8/20/2019 11:26 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:

On 8/20/2019 11:08 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:

On 8/20/2019 10:37 PM, Zane Healy wrote:

On Aug 20, 2019, at 5:16 PM, John H. Reinhardt via 
cctalk  wrote:

On 8/20/2019 1:51 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
wrote:


From: Glen Slick
This?

Yes; thanks!

I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
different things, no luck.


Also,http://manx.classiccmp.org/  (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to fix
it to go to the new location.

   Noel

Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate source of 
manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I searched it, 
apparently don’t exist online anywhere.

Zane





It's kind of like an internet index.  Most (if not all?) of the entries are 
pointers to where the document is (or was) located.  I've run across some dead 
links but most seem to be current.  At least the stuff I've searched for.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Leave it to me to search for obscure stuff, like manuals for DEC ALL-IN-1, or 
DEC Ada.  What I found really odd was that it had part numbers and manual names 
from one version, but when I clicked on the links it said no known version 
online.

Zane




Anyway... What version of the ADA manuals are you looking for? VSI has some for 
an Alpha Version 3.5 that they scraped off the HP site before they disappeared. 
 I have some older VAX ConDists that might have ADA documentation.

Some links that still work:

Master SLP/ODL Index 1997- 2017 


Just Checked.  I have the 1999 Q3 (Sept) SPL and ODL which should have VAX ADA 
V3.5 binaries and Documentation.  Are there Hobbyist PAKs for them?


--
John H. Reinhardt


Here's the link the the VSI "Legacy" documentation page.  The Ada there is V3.5 
for Alpha but if you want VAX I would think that it's close.





No comment.  *facepalm*

--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: Current MANX location

[John H. Reinhardt via cctalk]

On 8/20/2019 11:08 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:

On 8/20/2019 10:37 PM, Zane Healy wrote:

On Aug 20, 2019, at 5:16 PM, John H. Reinhardt via 
cctalk  wrote:

On 8/20/2019 1:51 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
wrote:


From: Glen Slick
This?

Yes; thanks!

I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
different things, no luck.


Also,http://manx.classiccmp.org/  (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to fix
it to go to the new location.

   Noel

Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate source of 
manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I searched it, 
apparently don’t exist online anywhere.

Zane





It's kind of like an internet index.  Most (if not all?) of the entries are 
pointers to where the document is (or was) located.  I've run across some dead 
links but most seem to be current.  At least the stuff I've searched for.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Leave it to me to search for obscure stuff, like manuals for DEC ALL-IN-1, or 
DEC Ada.  What I found really odd was that it had part numbers and manual names 
from one version, but when I clicked on the links it said no known version 
online.

Zane




Anyway... What version of the ADA manuals are you looking for?  VSI has some 
for an Alpha Version 3.5 that they scraped off the HP site before they 
disappeared.  I have some older VAX ConDists that might have ADA documentation.

Some links that still work:

Master SLP/ODL Index 1997- 2017 


Just Checked.  I have the 1999 Q3 (Sept) SPL and ODL which should have VAX ADA 
V3.5 binaries and Documentation.  Are there Hobbyist PAKs for them?


--
John H. Reinhardt


Here's the link the the VSI "Legacy" documentation page.  The Ada there is V3.5 
for Alpha but if you want VAX I would think that it's close.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: Current MANX location

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 5:16 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/20/2019 1:51 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 From: Glen Slick
 This?
>>> Yes; thanks!
>>> 
>>> I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
>>> different things, no luck.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, http://manx.classiccmp.org/ (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
>>> redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to 
>>> fix
>>> it to go to the new location.
>>> 
>>>   Noel
>> Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate source 
>> of manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I 
>> searched it, apparently don’t exist online anywhere.
>> 
>> Zane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> It's kind of like an internet index.  Most (if not all?) of the entries are 
> pointers to where the document is (or was) located.  I've run across some 
> dead links but most seem to be current.  At least the stuff I've searched for.
> 
> -- 
> John H. Reinhardt

Leave it to me to search for obscure stuff, like manuals for DEC ALL-IN-1, or 
DEC Ada.  What I found really odd was that it had part numbers and manual names 
from one version, but when I clicked on the links it said no known version 
online.

Zane 

Re: Current MANX location

[John H. Reinhardt via cctalk]

On 8/20/2019 1:51 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
wrote:


From: Glen Slick
This?

Yes; thanks!

I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
different things, no luck.


Also, http://manx.classiccmp.org/ (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to fix
it to go to the new location.

   Noel

Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate source of 
manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I searched it, 
apparently don’t exist online anywhere.

Zane





It's kind of like an internet index.  Most (if not all?) of the entries are 
pointers to where the document is (or was) located.  I've run across some dead 
links but most seem to be current.  At least the stuff I've searched for.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: Current MANX location

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>> From: Glen Slick
> 
>> This?
> 
> Yes; thanks!
> 
> I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
> different things, no luck.
> 
> 
> Also, http://manx.classiccmp.org/ (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
> redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to fix
> it to go to the new location.
> 
>   Noel

Stupid question.  What is MANX?  I’d thought that it was an alternate source of 
manuals.  To my disappointment, the manuals that turned up when I searched it, 
apparently don’t exist online anywhere.

Zane

Re: Current MANX location

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Glen Slick

> This?

Yes; thanks!

I don't know it didn't show up in my Web searches - I tried a number of
different things, no luck.


Also, http://manx.classiccmp.org/ (which is the medium-old URL I had for it)
redirects to something that has no working link to Manx; probably ought to fix
it to go to the new location.

   Noel

Re: Current MANX location

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

This?

http://manx-docs.org/

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 12:05 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Wasn't MANX supposed to be coming back up after moving? Did that never
> happen?
>
>Noel
>