Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-16 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Assuming people are still interested I'm working on other, lesser issues now that the little thing works. First thought: The interconnections between the CPU board and the IO board/memory boards are weird. Basically it's a plate, insulator, board, very odd spacer that provides

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-14 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > I do have a card around here called an RXV21 from Plessy or something > like that, maybe it could talk to an RX01 drive and format the disks? > Several of the 3rd party controllers could low level format disks. For example:

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-13 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
RX01 format is a standard IBM format used by many systems, including many CP/M ones, so it was possible to buy pre-formatted disks.  Maybe they came that way. That may be it: The Elephant disk does say on the factory label: Single sided, single density, IBM compatible, 128 bytes, 26 sectors.

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-13 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 13/10/2020 22:28, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Then I guess the question rattling around my brain is "How did I get this Elephant Memory systems disk formatted?" RX01 format is a standard IBM format used by many systems, including many CP/M ones, so it was possible to buy pre-formatted

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-13 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
> DEC controllers and DEC 8" drives cannot. Not for any platform. > > Back in the day, DEC floppy users purchased pre-formatted floppies. > If you had an RX02, you could "INIT" an RX01 floppy to RX02 use - > essentially just rewriting the data portion of the sector to > double-density (256 bytes

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-13 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:15 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Well, the drive is working. Better... Excellent! > I've heard that the RX02 can format an RX01, but can it? Nope. There were 3rd party controllers that could format 8" media in DEC machines (DSD for one). DEC controllers and DEC

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Well, the drive is working. Better. Summary: The PDT11/150 needs to have resistors on the harness to the floppy drives to limit the current for the sector LED. Without it the LED will be "off" and you will get a quick 8 stepper motor clicks without any click to load the heads. Looks like the

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Curiouser and curiouser On a lark I got a 47 ohm (actual reading 50.1 ohms) resistor from the box, put it on the anode supply line of the sector pulse LED on the drive that is in the PDT11 (not the one with the blown LED) and hooked it up to the power supply. With the resistor in I

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 4:04 PM Chris Zach wrote: > > > In a 'real' RX01, each sensor LED (track 0 and index) has the cathode > > grounded and the anode connected to +5V via a 68ohm series resistor. > > If you measure the voltage across the pins with the LED disconnected > > (or if the LED is

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
In a 'real' RX01, each sensor LED (track 0 and index) has the cathode grounded and the anode connected to +5V via a 68ohm series resistor. If you measure the voltage across the pins with the LED disconnected (or if the LED is open-circuit) with any reasonable meter, it'll read 5V. The meter will

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
> One is for the solenoid that lowers the pad onto the disk to allow > reads/writes. > > One is for the sensor to detect track 1 (LED and detector) > > One is for the sensor to detect sector pulse > > One is for the servo motor that moves the head in and out > > One is for the read/write head > >

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
When you swap the cables (and keep the drives in place), do you mean that you swapped the data connection **and** the power supply cable(s)? There are six wire bundles and connectors that hook an RX01 floppy drive sub-module to the RX01 read/write controller board (or the PDT11 controller

RE: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-12 Thread Henk Gooijen via cctalk
See below. Van: Chris Zach via cctalk<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Verzonden: maandag 12 oktober 2020 03:14 Aan: Richard Pope<mailto:mechani...@charter.net>; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: Re: Firing up the pdt11 Well, by "location&

Re: Firing up the pdt11. Dec put 5 volts on an LED?????

2020-10-11 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Maybe. The part number is partially missing, the drive itself has a part number of 70-13077-02, DEC badged. That maps to a print set of EK-13077-IP which doesn't seem to be anywhere online. Drat. Looking at Wikipedia these seem to be in TO-18 metal cases. Maybe they are Gallium Arsenide LEDs?

Re: Firing up the pdt11. Dec put 5 volts on an LED?????

2020-10-11 Thread Doug Jackson via cctalk
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Re: Firing up the pdt11. Dec put 5 volts on an LED?????

2020-10-11 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Ok, this is weirder: I put the "bad" floppy drive on the bench and started to take a look at it. First I checked the LED (yes, it's an LED). With a bench voltage of 1.5 volts and a 100ma draw it lit up nicely in the IR (detected by phone camera, so nice they can see the light) and the photo

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-11 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Well, by "location" I mean there are plugs on the controller board for PD0 (typically called the "top" drive) and PD1 (typically the "bottom" drive). My test swapped the cables so the top drive was using the PD1: logic on the board and the "bottom" was using the PD0 logic. In that situation

Re: Firing up the pdt11

2020-10-11 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Chris, I would like to get a clarification on this. Does either drive work fine in the PD0 position or does the drive that was not working in the PD1 position not work in the PD0 position? You said that the spare drive that you put in the PD1 position also does not work. I would try it in