Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/19/2017 09:30 AM, geneb wrote: If there's only one mirror, he's missing most of it then. A Wide Angle Collimator (what they call the "single channel" displays) has a partially-reflective first surface mirror at a 45 degree angle (the beam splitter) and a special curved mirror

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-19 Thread geneb
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: Well, the aviation community is just INSANE over liability. And, since the outfit that makes the wing marker lights gets sued many times when a light plane goes down, even though the cause was pilot error, engine failure, instrument failure, running out

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread William Maddox
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck > Guzis > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:09 AM > ... > I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area > seems to be gear of major brands. > > Does anyone collect Varian minis? > Or General

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/18/2017 12:45 PM, geneb wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: Wow, kind of surprised they were concerned about that. Especially a 727 sim, who the heck is still flying THOSE?? They're pretty common in South America and some 3rd world countries. I suspect it was 90% Boeing

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread geneb
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: Conductron-Missouri was an outfit that may have been started by ex-McDonnell people, and did a large portion of their business supplying electronic systems to McDonnell. It was later bought by McDonnell, and became McDonnell Douglas Electronics Co. Ahh,

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/18/2017 07:08 AM, geneb wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: On 01/17/2017 01:50 PM, geneb wrote: I used to work on a 727 flight simulator that used a Varian 620 to generate the visuals. The display was capable of addressing 1024 points of light and that's how the runways

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread geneb
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: On 01/17/2017 01:50 PM, geneb wrote: I used to work on a 727 flight simulator that used a Varian 620 to generate the visuals. The display was capable of addressing 1024 points of light and that's how the runways and airport outline were drawn. Pretty

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-18 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Chuck Guzis wrote: I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area seems to be gear of major brands. Me too :-) Does anyone collect Varian minis? Yes! We have a couple of Varian 620/f (some with expansion boxes) Or General Automation?

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/17/2017 01:50 PM, geneb wrote: I used to work on a 727 flight simulator that used a Varian 620 to generate the visuals. The display was capable of addressing 1024 points of light and that's how the runways and airport outline were drawn. Pretty neat stuff. Here's some pics of the

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Pete Lancashire
I had a DG Nova (guess one could call it a Nova 1) Loaned it to who I though was a friend, he vanished one day. The Nova showed up at a local surplus store but even though I had proof it was mine, I had the release letter from the company I worked for and got it from, he would not even sell it to

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:50 PM, geneb wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: > >> On 01/17/2017 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>> I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer >>> area seems to be gear of major brands. >>> Does anyone

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread geneb
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, Jon Elson wrote: On 01/17/2017 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area seems to be gear of major brands. Does anyone collect Varian minis? I had a Varian 620F a long time ago. It was a whole bunch of

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Jay West
17, 2017 11:09 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132] I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area seems to be gear of major

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/17/17 9:09 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Does anyone collect Varian minis? > I had a few 620's, the most interesting was the 18-bit version. No software to speak of for them. I even talked to the guy who ended up supporting them down in LA when Sperry spit them out. The only thing he had was

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2017-Jan-17, at 9:13 AM, william degnan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer >> area seems to be gear of major brands. >> >> Does anyone collect Varian minis? >> Or General

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 12:13 PM, william degnan wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer >> area seems to be gear of major brands. >> >> Does anyone

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/17/2017 11:09 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area seems to be gear of major brands. Does anyone collect Varian minis? I had a Varian 620F a long time ago. It was a whole bunch of wire-wrap boards. It sort of tried to work,

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread william degnan
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer > area seems to be gear of major brands. > > Does anyone collect Varian minis? > Or General Automation? > Or any one of the many non-DEC, HP, etc. minis?

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-17 Thread Chuck Guzis
I find it curious that what seems to be collected in the minicomputer area seems to be gear of major brands. Does anyone collect Varian minis? Or General Automation? Or any one of the many non-DEC, HP, etc. minis? Heck, I don't read much about DG minis on this list--and they were a major force.

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 07:27:00PM -0600, Jay West wrote: > Yes. Please do! > > Pontus wrote... > There is a system quite like it standing in the halls of the maths > department here. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there. > I'll go there on thursday. I suspect it will be

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis
From: allison > > The 32016 was not clocked very fast nor did it have any pipelines to > speak of. I recall the National dog-and-pony show guys showing up and having a good long talk with them. The 320xx sounded like a very advanced chip when compared with the usual 8086

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Ken Seefried
From: Al Kossow > > That reminds me I need to dig out the Genix sources I have. > I'd really like to see that, if it ever came to light. KJ

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Ken Seefried
From: allison > >The 32016 was not clocked very fast nor did it have any pipelines to >speak of. True. And lots of interesting bugs; some show-stoppers in early steppings. >If the 32016 had a second generation, some tweaks and faster process it >might have had hope but like

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Jay West
Yes. Please do! Pontus wrote... There is a system quite like it standing in the halls of the maths department here. I'll have to take a closer look next time I'm there. /P

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-16 Thread Steven M Jones
On 01/15/2017 08:23, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 1/14/17 7:20 PM, allison wrote: > >> If the 32016 had a second generation > > It had several generations. The 32532 saw some use in laser printers. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS320xx This kind of "buries the lead," however -- the NS32532

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:20:56AM -0800, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 1/15/17 10:02 AM, Jay West wrote: > > I'd have to say my HP-2000 systems that are running are the rarest that I'm > > aware of. > > So I fairly strongly suspect that my running HP-2000's are the only ones > > left, anywhere. >

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/15/2017 10:20 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 1/14/17 6:29 PM, Jon Elson wrote: I got versions of Genix and Xenix with it. Do you still have Xenix? I don't think so, but I'll look a bit more. I may have overwritten those with Genix. I do have the 24 or so Genix install disks. These are 5.25"

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/15/17 10:02 AM, Jay West wrote: > I'd have to say my HP-2000 systems that are running are the rarest that I'm > aware of. > So I fairly strongly suspect that my running HP-2000's are the only ones > left, anywhere. probably true.

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Raymond Wiker
> On 15 Jan 2017, at 17:23 , Al Kossow wrote: > > > > On 1/14/17 7:20 PM, allison wrote: > >> If the 32016 had a second generation > > It had several generations. The 32532 saw some use in laser printers. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS320xx

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Jay West
I'd have to say my HP-2000 systems that are running are the rarest that I'm aware of. I know of a few folks who have various bits and pieces towards assembling one, but not complete. I know two collectors who (each) have most if not all of the parts, but the systems are far from operational and

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/14/17 7:20 PM, allison wrote: > If the 32016 had a second generation It had several generations. The 32532 saw some use in laser printers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS320xx

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Al Kossow
On 1/14/17 6:29 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > I got versions of Genix and Xenix with it. Do you still have Xenix? That reminds me I need to dig out the Genix sources I have. There were a couple of companies that made PC cards with the chipset on it, and once company that made a Q-Bus

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread Al Kossow
I dug out the boards that I have to dump the eproms, and a while back put up what I had for schematics on bitsavers. On 1/14/17 3:40 PM, Rick Bensene wrote: > > >> From: "Rick Bensene" >>> - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a >>> 4.2bsd

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-15 Thread allison
On 01/14/2017 09:29 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 01/14/2017 05:40 PM, Rick Bensene wrote: >> >>> From: "Rick Bensene" - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a 4.2bsd port called UTek >> Jon wrote: >> >>> Gee, how does it perform? I

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-14 Thread Rick Bensene
I initially wrote in response to this thread: - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a 4.2bsd port called UTek >> Jon responded: >> >>> Gee, how does it perform? I built a clone of a Logical Microcomputer Co. >>> 32016 Multibus system and got it working.

Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/14/2017 05:40 PM, Rick Bensene wrote: From: "Rick Bensene" - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a 4.2bsd port called UTek Jon wrote: Gee, how does it perform? I built a clone of a Logical Microcomputer Co. 32016 Multibus system

RE: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own? [Tek 4132]

2017-01-14 Thread Rick Bensene
> From: "Rick Bensene" >> - A Tektronix 4132 Unix workstation using a National 32016 CPU and a >> 4.2bsd port called UTek >> Jon wrote: >Gee, how does it perform? I built a clone of a Logical Microcomputer Co. >32016 Multibus system and got it working. >But, it was