Re: Re: Re: HP 2108A key
Easier just to order one for 6 bucks off ebay. though! In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:43:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dkel...@hotmail.com writes: You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work. Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the lock. The ones on the HPs are not that hard to remove. Dwight From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ed Sharpe via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:31:26 PM To:ci...@xenosoft.com; cctalk@classiccmp.org; cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Re: HP 2108A key I never found on ein the key stash I ordered 2 off ebay one to use... one to loose! Ed# In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote: > Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: > https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 Nice pictures of a 2108A ! But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, dwight via cctalk wrote: You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work. MOST of such locks (called "cam lock") have a standardized mounting, although the "cam"/latch bar may differ. You can replace the lock with one of your choice. There are even COMBINATION cam locks, giving you the opportunity to forget the combination that you set, instead of losing the key. With a larger mounting hole, you can get cam locks with Interchangeable Core, or with house-hey keyways to rekey to match your residence key.
Re: Re: HP 2108A key
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, dwight via cctalk wrote: You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work. Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the lock. The ones on the HPs are not that hard to remove. Or get a key cut based on the code number (if avaialable) Or swap the pins to make the lock fit any other key that you have with the same keyway. (If so, and if the lock has the code number engraved/stamped on it, consider taking a dremel to cross out the number that is no longer correct. Or leave it, so that somebody getting a key code cut to steal your machine wastes some time)
Re: Re: HP 2108A key
You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work. Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the lock. The ones on the HPs are not that hard to remove. Dwight From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ed Sharpe via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:31:26 PM To: ci...@xenosoft.com; cctalk@classiccmp.org; cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Re: HP 2108A key I never found on ein the key stash I ordered 2 off ebay one to use... one to loose! Ed# In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote: > Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: > https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 Nice pictures of a 2108A ! But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
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I never found on ein the key stash I ordered 2 off ebay one to use... one to loose! Ed# In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote: > Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: > https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 Nice pictures of a 2108A ! But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote: Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 Nice pictures of a 2108A ! But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
Re: HP 2108A key
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote: On 09/21/2017 08:52 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for a number on the key for their 2108A, this weekend. Ask if he can snap a few good close-up pictures of it. While measurement from a picture isn't reliable, it doesn't have to be, if the picture is clear enough to decide whether a given cut is a 2 cut or a 3 cut. Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 Yes, it did. Dennis Boone has the techninal details. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ - From cctalk@classiccmp.org Mon Sep 25 18:21:35 2017 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:21:27 -0400 From: Dennis Boone via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Reply-To: Dennis Boone <d...@msu.edu>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in > Christian's picture: > It works! > I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed > to duplicate this key. The key is an H2007. This is one of the Chicago double-sided types. The keyblank is an Ilco 1041G, aka CG1, which looks like this: http://mysecuritypro.com/images/products/highres/cg1large.jpg Note that there are other similar blanks in which the center land is offset one way or the other, but on this one it's centered. One easy way to get one is on ebay: H2007 is one of the relatively common numbers, once used in alarms or elevators or some such. Most real locksmiths (i.e. not the key booth at Ace or Home Despot) will have the means to originate such a key, and can work from "Chicago double-sided H2007 CG1". Many of said serious locksmiths will want you to prove you own the lock. I think I remember hearing that Jay carried one of his HP minis into such a place once... ;) TL;DR: The tricky bit to cutting them is that when Chicago designed them, they developed several hundred unique curves instead of a set of numbered cut depths. However, manufacturers of numerical key machines have worked it out, probably by pretending there are a large number of cut positions. There are two ways these days to originate one: copy the appropriate master key (they come in sets from whoever now owns Chicago, or used from ebay occasionally) onto the appropriate blank; or use a numerically controlled key machine. I can originate most of these Chicago keys from my set of masters, if people are stuck. I think I can also produce the 4T1427 panel lock key, and with a little testing the tubular XX2946, XX2247, XX2065 (since we have cut depths for these). I've been trying to get to the point where I can produce most ccmp related keys, and am interested in expanding that capability, if people have needs or additional data. De
Re: HP 2108A key
On 09/21/2017 08:52 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: >> Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for a number on the key >> for their 2108A, this weekend. > > Ask if he can snap a few good close-up pictures of it. While > measurement from a picture isn't reliable, it doesn't have to be, if the > picture is clear enough to decide whether a given cut is a 2 cut or a 3 > cut. > Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here: https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
RE: HP 2108A key
I bought 2! One to use and one to loose... Ed# Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 CuriousMarc via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: And indeed, the H2007 key from eBay works perfectly! Thanks a lot for the link. I also have two kinds of 21 MX's, one with the double sided on/off H2007 key, and one with a regular HP 1000 key and front panel arrangement. That key opens the front panel. However, the second 21MX actually says "21 MX E-series" on the front panel, still with the old 21MX blue color lines on the panel. So I believe it's an early HP 1000E before the "1000" rebranding. Then the 21 MX became 1000M, and my 21 MX E-series became an HP 1000E. Marc -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim stephens via cctalk Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:03 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: HP 2108A key The 2007 can be bought on ebay. It also is the Microdata 1600, Reality and other standard key. I carry one on my keyring just for nostalgia, and also if I run across a 1600. FWIW it also will open most Pepsi and Coke dispensers in such as McDonalds, as well as quite a few devices in Phoenix Sky Harbor air port. Latter is not recommended now with TSA around. Supplying an example ebay auction: H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202 I lucked out and have filing cabinet cores, upright cabinet key cores, and stand alone switches, all on the same key. When you fool with something for 40 years, things like this shows up. Thanks jim
RE: HP 2108A key
And indeed, the H2007 key from eBay works perfectly! Thanks a lot for the link. I also have two kinds of 21 MX's, one with the double sided on/off H2007 key, and one with a regular HP 1000 key and front panel arrangement. That key opens the front panel. However, the second 21MX actually says "21 MX E-series" on the front panel, still with the old 21MX blue color lines on the panel. So I believe it's an early HP 1000E before the "1000" rebranding. Then the 21 MX became 1000M, and my 21 MX E-series became an HP 1000E. Marc -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim stephens via cctalk Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:03 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: HP 2108A key The 2007 can be bought on ebay. It also is the Microdata 1600, Reality and other standard key. I carry one on my keyring just for nostalgia, and also if I run across a 1600. FWIW it also will open most Pepsi and Coke dispensers in such as McDonalds, as well as quite a few devices in Phoenix Sky Harbor air port. Latter is not recommended now with TSA around. Supplying an example ebay auction: H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202 I lucked out and have filing cabinet cores, upright cabinet key cores, and stand alone switches, all on the same key. When you fool with something for 40 years, things like this shows up. Thanks jim
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well. do not see any 2007 so bought one incase the 1000 is the one that uses that one. easier than driving back to the building. however. I did find a but ofother HP keys even some ace style? found my open the 2645 thingis my hp 1000 beltbuckle ( bif g bronze thing) may ace keys probably dec and some classic 8 another hp2000a rime share emblem off a first ever hp timeshare system. ( seems I have a couple extras so one can go) found spare keys to the computer biz in the 80s but have a heck of a lot of quantity I have no idea what they are or what they go to but yea there are ## on them. probably some DG too Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 6:03:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Supplying an example ebay auction: H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202
Re: HP 2108A key
On 9/25/2017 1:46 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null Ok, I went into our storage and made some pics: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. Christian I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in Christian's picture: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/keys/P1080975.JPG It works! I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed to duplicate this key. Thanks to everyone involved, for their help. The 2007 can be bought on ebay. It also is the Microdata 1600, Reality and other standard key. I carry one on my keyring just for nostalgia, and also if I run across a 1600. FWIW it also will open most Pepsi and Coke dispensers in such as McDonalds, as well as quite a few devices in Phoenix Sky Harbor air port. Latter is not recommended now with TSA around. Supplying an example ebay auction: H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202 I lucked out and have filing cabinet cores, upright cabinet key cores, and stand alone switches, all on the same key. When you fool with something for 40 years, things like this shows up. Thanks jim Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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> If/when you get around to it, start by sorting by blank. Good thought. > On the double-sided Chicago keys, if you have an extra that matches > H2007, send one to Dennis to use as a "master" for subsequent demand. Not necessary, as I have a full set of pattern keys. I'd be interested in a crack at other stuff, though. ;) De
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> The tricky bit to cutting them is that when Chicago designed them, they > developed several hundred unique curves instead of a set of numbered cut > depths. However, manufacturers of numerical key machines have worked it > out, probably by pretending there are a large number of cut positions. Cut data for H2007: 45433456776, bow-to-tip. Depths and spacings to make this work follow. You'll need a fixed font for the diagram. De Chicago double sided numeric cut info | ++ +-+ \/ \ - > / e.g. depth 7, .308" +-+ - | \_/ .016" From shoulder, positions are: 1 .237" 2 .266" 3 .294" 4 .322" 5 .351" 6 .379" 7 .407" 8 .435" 9 .464" 10 .492" 11 .520" Depths are from other outer side of uncut key to bottom of cut: 0 .392" 1 .380" 2 .368" 3 .356" 4 .344" 5 .332" 6 .320" 7 .308" 8 .296" 9 .284" Width of flat at the bottom of the cut is .016" ("root")
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OK thanks for the advice! ... Ed# www.smecc.org Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, September 25, 2017 Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > FANTASTIC -! > I still need to triage the shoe boxes too- If/when you get around to it, start by sorting by blank. On the double-sided Chicago keys, if you have an extra that matches H2007, send one to Dennis to use as a "master" for subsequent demand. To the extent that you are up for it, measure the depths of cuts on all keys that have numbers stamped on them, to help populate the database. (keycode numbers, not blanks numbers) Unmarked keys are best sorted for matches to marked keys, and the remainder into groups that match each other.
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: FANTASTIC -! I still need to triage the shoe boxes too- If/when you get around to it, start by sorting by blank. On the double-sided Chicago keys, if you have an extra that matches H2007, send one to Dennis to use as a "master" for subsequent demand. To the extent that you are up for it, measure the depths of cuts on all keys that have numbers stamped on them, to help populate the database. (keycode numbers, not blanks numbers) Unmarked keys are best sorted for matches to marked keys, and the remainder into groups that match each other.
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Thank you Dennis, we are likely to need your help often. On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: The tricky bit to cutting them is that when Chicago designed them, they developed several hundred unique curves instead of a set of numbered cut depths. However, manufacturers of numerical key machines have worked it out, probably by pretending there are a large number of cut positions. Curves, instead of finite number of flats, are trivially more difficult to duplicate, and very difficult to visually decode without the spacing data. That might not seem so important, but in 2007, keys were made for Diebold voting machines from pictures on a Diebold website: http://spiralbound.net/blog/2007/01/25/diebold-voting-machine-key-copied-from-photo/ HOWEVER, disunirregardless of the curves of the key, the key will work fine if the flats are at the right height for each of the wafers of the lock. If one were to disassemble any of the locks of that series, and measure the spacing of where the wafers contact the key, then it becomes trivial to decode the key and cut it as a conventional code-cut key. Hint: Harbor Freight digital caliper I would assume that the better depth/spacing databases include the Chicago H series. Some more info thru Google: http://www.locksmithledger.com/article/12245464/mosler There are 11 wafers. At that time, there were 24 shapes used, but 4 positions for each shape. The shapes could also be raised or lowere 0.015 inches. Total of 576 different keys, until they add more shapes. The wafers are thin and closely spaced, so a code cutting machine needs to be able to handle narrow cuts. innards of the lock (patent drawing)! http://oi62.tinypic.com/34fyw7p.jpg Sets of "Try out" keys are available. It is used for high-end cam/cabinet locks, elevators, etc. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com There are two ways these days to originate one: copy the appropriate master key (they come in sets from whoever now owns Chicago, or used from ebay occasionally) onto the appropriate blank; or use a numerically controlled key machine. I can originate most of these Chicago keys from my set of masters, if people are stuck. I think I can also produce the 4T1427 panel lock key, and with a little testing the tubular XX2946, XX2247, XX2065 (since we have cut depths for these). I've been trying to get to the point where I can produce most ccmp related keys, and am interested in expanding that capability, if people have needs or additional data. De
Re: HP 2108A key
> I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in > Christian's picture: > It works! > I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed > to duplicate this key. The key is an H2007. This is one of the Chicago double-sided types. The keyblank is an Ilco 1041G, aka CG1, which looks like this: http://mysecuritypro.com/images/products/highres/cg1large.jpg Note that there are other similar blanks in which the center land is offset one way or the other, but on this one it's centered. One easy way to get one is on ebay: H2007 is one of the relatively common numbers, once used in alarms or elevators or some such. Most real locksmiths (i.e. not the key booth at Ace or Home Despot) will have the means to originate such a key, and can work from "Chicago double-sided H2007 CG1". Many of said serious locksmiths will want you to prove you own the lock. I think I remember hearing that Jay carried one of his HP minis into such a place once... ;) TL;DR: The tricky bit to cutting them is that when Chicago designed them, they developed several hundred unique curves instead of a set of numbered cut depths. However, manufacturers of numerical key machines have worked it out, probably by pretending there are a large number of cut positions. There are two ways these days to originate one: copy the appropriate master key (they come in sets from whoever now owns Chicago, or used from ebay occasionally) onto the appropriate blank; or use a numerically controlled key machine. I can originate most of these Chicago keys from my set of masters, if people are stuck. I think I can also produce the 4T1427 panel lock key, and with a little testing the tubular XX2946, XX2247, XX2065 (since we have cut depths for these). I've been trying to get to the point where I can produce most ccmp related keys, and am interested in expanding that capability, if people have needs or additional data. De
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FANTASTIC -! I still need to triage the shoe boxes too- Ed# In a message dated 9/25/2017 1:47:00 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in Christian's picture: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/keys/P1080975. JPG It works! I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed to duplicate this key. Thanks to everyone involved, for their help. Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null Ok, I went into our storage and made some pics: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. Christian I received a key that was made based on the Chicago Lock H2007 key in Christian's picture: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/keys/P1080975.JPG It works! I've asked our resident keymaster to post any specifications needed to duplicate this key. Thanks to everyone involved, for their help. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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Thanks for the link Fred. $10 for the key - worth a try. I'll get it and report if it works. Marc On Sep 22, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: H2007 - double sided Chicago key, brass, in a 21MX in the pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202 (seller shows same picture for several different keys)
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Mike, That makes two of us. I am interested too, I have the same key setup on my 21MX and have been looking for the key for a long time! So if someone can make it, I am interested! Marc On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:51 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The key is for this switch on the front panel of the 2108A: http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/HP/2108A/HP2108A-8L.jpg Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technologyhttp://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > > what is the key# does mike need??? > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and > controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch. > > I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. > Wouldn't surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger > via cctalk > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > > Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) > > Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the > 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards). I have an HP 2112B, and it has > its key. > > See a photo at : > > http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm > > The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. > > JRJ > > >> On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original >> 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and >> F-series machines. >> >> I already checked with Jay. >> >> >> Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology >> http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. Some manufacturers (Schlage) stamp the cuts on the key. Some, in order to make that information "secure", reverse the sequence (slightly less secure that ROT-13). But, mustn't reveal that secret. In the mid-1970s, Honda did that with their door keys. The ignition key was a lookup, but the door key had the cuts stamped on it in reverse order.
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> Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. I'm going to further speculate that the silver colored key in Christian's pictures was a sloppy duplicate. Both because it is on an unmarked generic blank, and because the 2 and 1 cuts are too similar in depth. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532
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YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 year old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-3000 keys are still there perhaps the pdp-8 m or f and possibly one for the 2000ATimeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# ( that has a key ring suitable for self-defense.) In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:48:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 yea old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-300 key are still there and possibly one for the 2000A Timeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well, that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to work with HP 1000 systems. I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the terminal. From: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20:42 PM Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
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YIKES I should check too I do have a few 30 yea old keys on my ring. Pretty sure the Hp-2000 and HP-300 key are still there and possibly one for the 2000A Timeshare cabinets. I will see what else... you tend to put them on and never take them off. Ed# In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well, that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to work with HP 1000 systems. I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the terminal. From: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20:42 PM Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
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Well, that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to work with HP 1000 systems. I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the terminal. From: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20:42 PM Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
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> Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap > generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too > many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is > definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. > Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 > (depending on depth specs) Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. The correct cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. I _think_ Christian's last two systems (several photos each) both have variants of the 4T1427. Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 De
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Christian wrote --- In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. --- On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Jay West via cctalk wrote: Ug... no. There are not 3 different keys used. And for the record, the 1000M and 1000E/F are *ALL* 21MX's, at least in the end. They are also all "1000's" in the end as well :> But 21MX & 1000M/E/F is redundant. Christian sent pictures of three keys. I don't know anything about the machines, nor what might have been swapped between machines. His pictures are: H2007 - double sided Chicago key, brass, in a 21MX in the pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202 (seller shows same picture for several different keys) 4T1427 - single sided, in an HP 1000 E-Series; brass, no pictures of cuts; BUT, described in complete detail in Dennis Boone's post yesterday "The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip." Unmarked - single sided in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap generic cam lock, may be a post-sale replacement lock (due to too many keys extant, or the boss wandered off with the key) It is definitely NOT a match for either of the keys that Dennis described. Cuts from bow to tip look like they could be something like 6-1-3-1 (depending on depth specs) At first glance, I thought that it might be a CH751 (THE most common cam lock), but it is slightly different.
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Christian wrote --- In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. --- Ug... no. There are not 3 different keys used. And for the record, the 1000M and 1000E/F are *ALL* 21MX's, at least in the end. They are also all "1000's" in the end as well :> But 21MX & 1000M/E/F is redundant. There are two different keys for the 21MX (later called the 1000) line. One key is for the systems where the front panel was a keyswitch. This is the one that is doublesided. The other key is for systems where the front panel was just a latch for the door of the cpu chassis. This is the one that is single sided, with two notches. The 2105, 2108, and 2112 (M series) could be had with either an A or B rev power supply. I believe the power supply (A vs B) dictates which key is used (or more precisely, whether it is just a latch or a switch). I don't believe the 2109, 2113 (E series) or 2111, 2117 (F series) ever came with an A rev power supply, just B. But even if they did, it was probably for a very short time, as the A rev power supply was a nightmarish abortion that was quickly tossed for the B redesign. Perhaps the A was only around for the 2105/2108/2109, and was tossed by the time the later models came out. In any case, just two keys. That third picture that Christian supplied is either the same key but just a different blank, or someone swapped some locks around (as the E/F he pictures it on is definitely just a latch). Bonus points if anyone knows where the "MX" came from in the 21MX moniker. Hint... MeasureX. There was actually a 3rd key in a similar architecture HP machine, the 2100A/S systems. Those machines used the ace key that we're all familiar with already, but they are most definitely not 21MX boxes. J
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On 21 September 2017 at 19:59, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > > We can sit on the front porch, waving our canes, and yelling at the kids to > get off of the lawn. Well quite. > And continue to rant about the decline in education, software quality, and > users, such as email clients that don't even show the user what they failed > to trim in replies. Gmail disabled its select-to-quote Labs feature recently, and now, bottom quoting is significantly harder. FOSS is meant to be better at copying existing software than creating new stuff. I really wish someone had cloned the old, pre-simplification GMail interface ... http://blog.bobbyallen.me/2011/11/02/google-updates-its-web-mail-gmail-gui/ ... and made it an app that could run against any random IMAP server. But this is off-topic, so I'll shut up. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
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OK that is helpful! I can look though the box and have something to compare with! For the purpose of finding a match for Mike's 2018 is that a single sided or double sided key Mike ( or others knowing) the HP MX Processor MXthat was contributed to SMECC is thinner than the ones here. I will have to get the model # when I am in that area. I need to replace fuse holder on the back.Ed# - _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 9/22/2017 2:42:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: > Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few > others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would > that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null Ok, I went into our storage and made some pics: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. Christian
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null Ok, I went into our storage and made some pics: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and 1000E/F. Christian
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Should be easy but my mobile google fu is failing. Didn't Jay and a few others know if a vintage computer key database/site somewhere? Would that possibly have or benefit from getting afterwards? null
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Liam Proven wrote: I am finding it increasingly difficult to curb my curmudgeonliness as I approach 50. 50 was relatively easy. I think I must glumly conclude that there is basically nowhere that it is safe to air it, and I must be constantly vigilant to rein it in. We can sit on the front porch, waving our canes, and yelling at the kids to get off of the lawn. And continue to rant about the decline in education, software quality, and users, such as email clients that don't even show the user what they failed to trim in replies. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
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Most of the time processors came in whole and got sold out as parts.. The 2 things that always seemed left overwere keys and carcass! Ed# In a message dated 9/21/2017 10:25:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had > > > weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. > > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of > > the day, and never brought them back. On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > Excuse me? I owned the company! > My Company... my keys.. > and in those days there were lots of them! > How funny! > Ed# Ah! So you are the BOSS who would wander off with the keys, and not bring them back! ("Never give the boss the only key!") I was the boss in my auto shop. One of my employees taught me the basics of locksmithing. I never developed much skill, but at least I could understand the theory. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
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> > I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had > > weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of > the day, and never brought them back. On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: Excuse me? I owned the company! My Company... my keys.. and in those days there were lots of them! How funny! Ed# Ah! So you are the BOSS who would wander off with the keys, and not bring them back! ("Never give the boss the only key!") I was the boss in my auto shop. One of my employees taught me the basics of locksmithing. I never developed much skill, but at least I could understand the theory. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
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Excuse me? I owned the company! My Company... my keys.. and in those days there were lots of them! How funny! Ed# In a message dated 9/21/2017 9:15:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 21 September 2017 at 18:02, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> >> I dunno what all thathe means > > > Q: Do you WANT to know what all thathe means? > >> I am offering to >> .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not >> temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after >> a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they >> went into a box or plastic bag.. > > > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of the > day, and never brought them back. Well, you know: certain things are correlated. "I am too important to bother to learn how to quote properly." "I am too important to bother to return keys." Both mean that the person doesn't respect other people, and expects them to just work around their "adorable little eccentricities". It means, in short, "fsck you". I don't know about anyone else, but I know how _I_ respond to folk like that. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
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On 21 September 2017 at 18:35, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > We all do it. > I have my share of random keys from random unknown sources. Sure, me too. > There are plenty of things that I have no clue about. > Some of which I would like to learn, and might or might not ever make the > effort to do so; and some that I don't want to know. Absolutely. Also me. > In the 1970s, between "the collapse of aerospace", and the availability of > "tabletop computers" (I guessed wrong on what they would be called), I did > auto repair, and learned the basics of that particular form of locksmithing > and code cutting. Otherwise, I would still be completely ignorant on the > subject. > > I hope that we can chide each other, as friends. No offence taken here. I was surprised, but it's a fair cop. I am finding it increasingly difficult to curb my curmudgeonliness as I approach 50. I think I must glumly conclude that there is basically nowhere that it is safe to air it, and I must be constantly vigilant to rein it in. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
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We all do it. I have my share of random keys from random unknown sources. There are plenty of things that I have no clue about. Some of which I would like to learn, and might or might not ever make the effort to do so; and some that I don't want to know. In the 1970s, between "the collapse of aerospace", and the availability of "tabletop computers" (I guessed wrong on what they would be called), I did auto repair, and learned the basics of that particular form of locksmithing and code cutting. Otherwise, I would still be completely ignorant on the subject. I hope that we can chide each other, as friends. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
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On 21 September 2017 at 18:02, Fred Cisin via cctalkwrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: >> >> I dunno what all thathe means > > > Q: Do you WANT to know what all thathe means? > >> I am offering to >> .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not >> temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after >> a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they >> went into a box or plastic bag.. > > > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of the > day, and never brought them back. Well, you know: certain things are correlated. "I am too important to bother to learn how to quote properly." "I am too important to bother to return keys." Both mean that the person doesn't respect other people, and expects them to just work around their "adorable little eccentricities". It means, in short, "fsck you". I don't know about anyone else, but I know how _I_ respond to folk like that. -- Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven • Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 • ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
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> The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an > Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip. > > The CAT99 key I see referenced in the list archives (might open a cab > back door) would be on an Ilco S1000V, cuts 5 bow-to-tip. On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: I dunno what all thathe means Q: Do you WANT to know what all thathe means? I am offering to .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of the day, and never brought them back. Well, he provided complete description of what to look for. He described in industry terms exactly what two keys are, to the extent that a competent locksmith could make them without having seen the originals. The first part is which keyblank - what will fit into the keyhole. While a machinist could mill keys from a solid piece of brass, the description required is most easily handled by simply specifiying which commercial keyblank to use. Ilco is the largest supplier, to it is customary to specify the Ilco number. (like chip numbers) If you use a different supplier, then you need an appropriate cross-reference. Next are the actual cuts made to the blank. For a given application, there are standards for the "depth and spacing", how far apart the cuts are, where the first cut is, and how deep the cuts are. That could be specified as measurements, but a competent locksmith has a "depth and spacings" database in which to look up the placement and depths for a given application. Cuts are typically listed from the bow to the tip. (The bow is what you hold, the tip goes into the keyhole). An exception is Best, which is TIP indexed. Non-locksmiths identify keys by the shape of the bow, which is, of course, irrelevant. Cuts are specified numerically, starting with zero or one being the shallowist cut. (Q: Can you explain why some computers number sectors from zero, and some number from one?) For a given application, there will be anywhere from 2 to 10 different depths of cuts. So, one of his examples has four moderate cuts and then one deeper one. His other example has a very shallow cut, a moderate one, a shallow one, and then a deep one. If you LOOK at the cuts of a key, rather than habitually blank out with, "it's just incomprehensible random mountaintops", you can SEE whether a key had cuts that would fit that description. BTW, the mountain tops are irrelevant, what matters is the depths of the valleys between them. Notice that each valley has a flat area on the bottom (like Yosemite valley). Thus, if you move the key in or out 1/4 mm, it doesn't change the depths. On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: EEEK! bad cell phone typing! OK anyway I was under the assumption that the hp keys would have certain number on them depending on what they fit? If I am wrong then unless I have a photo this group of old keys will be of no use. Just a thought. Ed# Sure, every key has a number. Sometimes it is stamped on the key, sometimes it isn't. Is every floppy disk labelled with what machine it goes with? Or its contents? When it is labelled, the label is almost never the model of computer. Do you know what an XX2247 key fits? (Q: Is an 8272 chip marked with what it is for?) The label may or may not be the depths of the cuts. New Schlage keys (not duplicates) are stamped with their cuts - look at a few! But, just as often, the cut is a seemingly random number, which doesn't tell you anything until you look it up in a "Code Book", which is a simple locksmith database where the key number indexes a list of the cuts for the key. (XX2247 is NOT the depths of the cuts. But if you look it up in the right Code Book, you can find out the cuts. Your car keys (particularly old ones) might have a number stamped on them, or there might have been a paper tag on them when you bought your new car. If you save that number, then a locksmith can make a new key when you lose yours. (Car owners normally never save that info!) "Code Cutting" is the process of making a key from the key number. Some municipalities have restrictions on doing it, ranging from no restrictions to outright prohibition, but usually mostly of the form of proving/convincing the locksmith that you OWN the lock in question, and have the right to have a key to it. (carry the machine into the locksmith shop, or a letter of authorization on business letterhead, etc.) There is no LOCKSMITH at Home Depot. You need to find a REAL locksmith, who has a suitable selection of blanks (hardware stores no longer do), and who has suitable equipment for cutting a key by code. That is either a key machine
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for a number on the key for their 2108A, this weekend. Ask if he can snap a few good close-up pictures of it. While measurement from a picture isn't reliable, it doesn't have to be, if the picture is clear enough to decide whether a given cut is a 2 cut or a 3 cut.
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Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for a number on the key for their 2108A, this weekend. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: If we can id the Chicago double-sided key Mike _does_ need, I can probably make it. The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip. The CAT99 key I see referenced in the list archives (might open a cab back door) would be on an Ilco S1000V, cuts 5 bow-to-tip. De
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I dunno what all thathe means I am offering to .look thru shoe box of keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not temember what number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or plastic bag.. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Dennis Boone via cctalkwrote: If we can id the Chicago double-sided key Mike _does_ need, I can probably make it. The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip. The CAT99 key I see referenced in the list archives (might open a cab back door) would be on an Ilco S1000V, cuts 5 bow-to-tip. De
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If we can id the Chicago double-sided key Mike _does_ need, I can probably make it. The CCL 4T1427 key, which is NOT what Mike needs, would be cut on an Ilco S1003A blank, cuts 1427 bow-to-tip. The CAT99 key I see referenced in the list archives (might open a cab back door) would be on an Ilco S1000V, cuts 5 bow-to-tip. De
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I need a key number... do you have that jay? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Mike Loewen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The key is for this switch on the front panel of the 2108A: http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/HP/2108A/HP2108A-8L.jpg Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: > what is the key# does mike need??? > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and > controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch. > > I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. > Wouldn't surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger > via cctalk > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: HP 2108A key > > Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) > > Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the > 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards). I have an HP 2112B, and it has > its key. > > See a photo at : > > http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm > > The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. > > JRJ > > > On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original >> 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and >> F-series machines. >> >> I already checked with Jay. >> >> >> Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology >> http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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The key is for this switch on the front panel of the 2108A: http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/HP/2108A/HP2108A-8L.jpg Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote: what is the key# does mike need??? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch. I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. Wouldn't surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: HP 2108A key Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards). I have an HP 2112B, and it has its key. See a photo at : http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. JRJ On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and F-series machines. I already checked with Jay. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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what is the key# does mike need??? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch. I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. Wouldn't surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: HP 2108A key Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards). I have an HP 2112B, and it has its key. See a photo at : http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. JRJ On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original > 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and > F-series machines. > > I already checked with Jay. > > > Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology > http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ >
RE: HP 2108A key
No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch. I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. Wouldn't surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: HP 2108A key Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards).I have an HP 2112B, and it has its key. See a photo at : http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. JRJ On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > >Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original > 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and > F-series machines. > >I already checked with Jay. > > > Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology > > http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ >
Re: HP 2108A key
Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay. ;) Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work? It looks very much like the 2108A, just a tad larger (more cards).I have an HP 2112B, and it has its key. See a photo at : http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it. JRJ On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A? This is one of the original > 21MX M-series machines. The key is NOT the same as for the E and > F-series machines. > > I already checked with Jay. > > > Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us > Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ >