Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, Sam O'nella wrote: Extremely interesting Fred. I hadn't heard of half of those experimental disk sizes. ??Are those stories from your experience or from that article? (Yes I'll rtfm shortly). Definitely my experiences and presence in the business at the time, NOT from

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-21 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 21 Jul 2017, at 11:46, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > I was aware of Twiggy disks, Hitachi 3" as used in Amstrad and Tatung, > and of one that I think Fred _didn't_ mention: the 2" 720 kB diskettes > used in the Zenith Minisport: > >

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-21 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Liam Proven > I confess to much trepidation at the hate for keyboard collectors, as I > am one. > ... > We're not _all_ evil, you know. Unfortunately, the percentage who _are_ willing to chop up original machines, leaving them non-functional (as in this case), is

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-21 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 21 July 2017 at 07:03, Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: > Extremely interesting Fred. I hadn't heard of half of those experimental disk > sizes. Are those stories from your experience or from that article? (Yes > I'll rtfm shortly). > The only odd one i have is a backup

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-20 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Eric said: > I think Shugart settled on 5.25" for the size of a minifloppy at least a > year, and more likely two years, before Steve Jobs would have visited. I > don't have proof, but SA400 public intro was in 1976, and they probably > took more than a year of development to get to that point.

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-20 Thread Sam O'nella via cctalk
Extremely interesting Fred. I hadn't heard of half of those experimental disk sizes.  Are those stories from your experience or from that article? (Yes I'll rtfm shortly). The only odd one i have is a backup cartridge? that resembles around a 3.5" but is in fact closer to the mythical 12"

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-20 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Jul 19, 2017 10:15 AM, "Fred Cisin via cctalk" wrote: > That Steve Jobs was pestering them for a cheap drive, but due to the holes in his jeans and personal hygiene?, they never took him seriously. I think Shugart settled on 5.25" for the size of a minifloppy at least a

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-20 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
uesday, July 18, 2017 at 6:03 AM To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Repurposed Art (ahem...) Re-purposed art or vandalism? http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 Ed -- Ik email, dus ik besta.

Re: Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
"That is why they switched from 8 foot to 5.25 foot floppies." LOL On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy? > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > > Those 8' floppies were a

Diskette size (was: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy? On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: Those 8' floppies were a PITA to handle and store, but they sure held a lot of data... ;-P That is why they switched from 8 foot to 5.25 foot floppies. Punchcard size is reputed to have

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
- Original Message - From: "ben via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...) > On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed

RE: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of ben via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:45 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...) On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk
On 18.07.2017 16:27, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk < From a seller's point of view, they've got a keypunch that's worth less painted than if it were original, unless you're an art fanatic with lots of space to display such

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-19 Thread Ed via cctalk
Pete - Sad about the McGraw-Hill Electronics Which issues are you missing!? Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 7/18/2017 9:43:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: The paint job doesn't bother me much. I had a working 26 that I

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
The paint job doesn't bother me much. I had a working 26 that I donated to CHM. Its things like selling the keyboard then expecting to get more the $20 for the remains. My Teletype version of that is a Western Union 2-B in good shape missing all it key caps and motor. Both pulled to sell to the

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
I collect older teleprinters (Teletype, Morkrum-Kleinschmidt, etc) and twice now I've seen where they have had their keyboards removed and the machine put out for scrap. One a quite rare Navy version of the model 28 known as a compact case variation where someone had used what looked like a

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/18/2017 09:45 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy? I got a Pertec key to tape machine surplus in about 1982 or so. it had a keyboard and a field of submini lights that lit up the letters, numbers, etc on a panel. You could write 80 character

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread ben via cctalk
On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: at least they did not glue a bunch of gears on it and call it steam punk... I have run across weird glued and punked items on ebay... what a bunch of AH's a model 026 punch is already a

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Ed said > Re-purposed art or vandalism? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 > > Ed > -- > Ik email, dus ik besta. I would guess that the paint used was acrylic rather than oil enamel. Being water-based it ought to be easier to remove if the casings were taken off and pressure washed, than

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: at least they did not glue a bunch of gears on it and call it steam punk... I have run across weird glued and punked items on ebay... what a bunch of AH's a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk. A model 029, on the other hand,

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ed via cctalk
at least they did not glue a bunch of gears on it and call it steam punk... I have run across weird glued and punked items on ebay... what a bunch of AH's In a message dated 7/18/2017 7:20:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ed via cctalk
tell ya about it sometime offlist Mike In a message dated 7/18/2017 12:41:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: It wasn't the LIS collectors that did that, it was 20th Century Fox back in the '60s. I'm not aware of a single LIS collector that ever had

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ed via cctalk
Hey Pete! there was also a rage of ripping off the early key tops with the metal rim and celoid over the letters to make women's jewelry... the scoundrels ripped up tty units and typewriters also. These are the teletype units I really like to collect ... those with the old keys..

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
It wasn't the LIS collectors that did that, it was 20th Century Fox back in the '60s. I'm not aware of a single LIS collector that ever had access to a B205. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ed via cctalk
or lost in space collectors that rip the b205 front panel from the machine and leave the rest to be destroyed in fire or flood... In a message dated 7/18/2017 11:27:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Keyboard collectors are a great evil in this

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctech wrote: > Re-purposed art or vandalism? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 I guess that depends on whether there's a record of it in the Customer Engineering Incident Reporting Log Book. ok bear. -- until further notice

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On 18 July 2017 at 20:27, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote: > Keyboard collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to ivory > poachers. I appreciate that bottom-posting just got a bit harder on Gmail, but it still works. I confess to much trepidation at the hate

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
Keyboard collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to ivory poachers. On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Re-purposed art or vandalism? >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 >>> >> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Re-purposed art or vandalism? http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: It (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Earlier than that. The seller may have grown up with Peewee Herman, but that kind of painting

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
the keyboard is gone On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special Hell where keyboard collectors go. It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms. They can keep their arms. Just no FINGERS.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/18/2017 08:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk wrote: Re-purposed art or vandalism? http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 Ed -- Ik email, dus ik besta. looks like it might still work! No, I don't think that's vandalism. Heck, I saw some decorated machines in real use that were not too

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2017-07-18 12:40 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 7/18/17 8:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: the keyboard is gone When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special Hell where keyboard collectors go. It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms. Yes

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
Hey, it could be worse. A related auction shows a model 26 (not repainted) being offered for $25,000. Bizarre. paul > On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk > wrote: > > Oh the horror! > > Note in the auction says that the keyboard is gone, but

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/18/17 8:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > the keyboard is gone When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special Hell where keyboard collectors go. It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
Oh the horror! Note in the auction says that the keyboard is gone, but still wants $599 .99 and you need to pick it up yourself, u maybe not Paul. On 2017-07-18 11:27 AM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote: >>> I would think it would be worth more in its original condition. > ... at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it > for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much) That was

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > >> >> I would think it would be worth more in its original condition. >> > > I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Re-purposed art or vandalism? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 > > Ed > -- > Ik email, dus ik besta. > > It (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse. -- Eric

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk
On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I would think it would be worth more in its original condition. I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old IBM punch is worth that much. And there's quite a possibility that people (users) remember the funny

RE: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
: Repurposed Art (ahem...) Re-purposed art or vandalism? http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 Ed -- Ik email, dus ik besta.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk
On 18.07.2017 15:42, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From: Ed Groenenberg > Re-purposed art or vandalism? Given that the keyboard was at one point there (in the images), but has now apparently been sold separate, clearly the latter... Stupid idiot who sold the keyboard

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Ed Groenenberg > Re-purposed art or vandalism? Given that the keyboard was at one point there (in the images), but has now apparently been sold separate, clearly the latter... Noel

Repurposed Art (ahem...)

2017-07-18 Thread E. Groenenberg via cctalk
Re-purposed art or vandalism? http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943 Ed -- Ik email, dus ik besta.