Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 8:32 PM William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: > You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shopping > baskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, > today's mail > brought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Cool. Good to see it. I have a board I need to populate myself (mostly I need the MOSFETs) -ethan
Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
On 2/10/22 09:11, dwight via cctalk wrote: > I hope you are not thinking it would test an Intel 4004 or a 8008? That would > be a stretch. For the 4004, there is only a narrow range of frequencies it > runs under. I'm not that familiar with the 8008 but suspect it has similar > restrictions. Both use dynamic registers. Both use PMOS voltage levels( 15V > ). A 4008 RAM chip is not the same as an intel 4008 chip. > It is conceivable to use a logic tester to test a i4004 but it would be a lot > of effort. Each instruction does unique operations inside of the i4004. One > would have to have 256^2 inputs to fully test a i4004 from the pins. Even > then there are a similar number of replies that would have to be checked. One > could at best have a simple confidence test that it appeared to be working, > as most failures of IC cause complete failure of the chip. Even Intel never > fully tested parts going out the door. Even for a processor as simple as the > 4004, a complete test is not practical. There are not test circuits built > into it either. > Erturk Kolcalar makes a retro processor exerciser. It basically runs through > a USB port from a PC. In its current form, it can't fully test a i4004 > because it doesn't meet the proper frequency ( some will work but others > won't, but still be functional i4004s ). It runs code loaded from the PC. He > currently has the code for the Busicom calculator running. > I don't recall if he has one for the 8008? Is it safe to assume that the chip tester works with TTL-level signals only? So no ECL or PMOS, for example? --Chuck
Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
I hope you are not thinking it would test an Intel 4004 or a 8008? That would be a stretch. For the 4004, there is only a narrow range of frequencies it runs under. I'm not that familiar with the 8008 but suspect it has similar restrictions. Both use dynamic registers. Both use PMOS voltage levels( 15V ). A 4008 RAM chip is not the same as an intel 4008 chip. It is conceivable to use a logic tester to test a i4004 but it would be a lot of effort. Each instruction does unique operations inside of the i4004. One would have to have 256^2 inputs to fully test a i4004 from the pins. Even then there are a similar number of replies that would have to be checked. One could at best have a simple confidence test that it appeared to be working, as most failures of IC cause complete failure of the chip. Even Intel never fully tested parts going out the door. Even for a processor as simple as the 4004, a complete test is not practical. There are not test circuits built into it either. Erturk Kolcalar makes a retro processor exerciser. It basically runs through a USB port from a PC. In its current form, it can't fully test a i4004 because it doesn't meet the proper frequency ( some will work but others won't, but still be functional i4004s ). It runs code loaded from the PC. He currently has the code for the Busicom calculator running. I don't recall if he has one for the 8008? Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of ED SHARPE via cctalk Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 5:44 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org ; cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done! does it test 4004 and 8008 In a message dated 2/7/2022 6:32:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shoppingbaskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, today's mailbrought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Wow! The only thing that itdoesn't do is slice bread. It's great. I've put up a few pictures here: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/RCTPro/ I got the 4008 and 1702 adapters with it, but I'm pretty sure that I willget the rest over the next month or so. This is the latest HW version with the latest releasesoftware. Bill S. PS: Thanks to everyone that helped with parts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus
RE: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
No, those don't seem to be in the list. But then, testing a full CPU would be a pretty tall order. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ED SHARPE via cctalk Sent: Monday, February 07, 2022 8:45 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org; cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done! does it test 4004 and 8008 In a message dated 2/7/2022 6:32:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shoppingbaskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, today's mailbrought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Wow! The only thing that itdoesn't do is slice bread It's great. I've put up a few pictures here: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/RCTPro/ I got the 4008 and 1702 adapters with it, but I'm pretty sure that I willget the rest over the next month or so. This is the latest HW version with the latest releasesoftware. Bill S. PS: Thanks to everyone that helped with parts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
does it test 4004 and 8008 In a message dated 2/7/2022 6:32:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shoppingbaskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, today's mailbrought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Wow! The only thing that itdoesn't do is slice bread. It's great. I've put up a few pictures here: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/RCTPro/ I got the 4008 and 1702 adapters with it, but I'm pretty sure that I willget the rest over the next month or so. This is the latest HW version with the latest releasesoftware. Bill S. PS: Thanks to everyone that helped with parts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shopping baskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, today's mail brought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Wow! The only thing that it doesn't do is slice bread. It's great. I've put up a few pictures here: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/RCTPro/ I got the 4008 and 1702 adapters with it, but I'm pretty sure that I will get the rest over the next month or so. This is the latest HW version with the latest release software. Bill S. PS: Thanks to everyone that helped with parts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
