Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 5/1/16 1:36 PM, Lee Courtney wrote: I have a vague recollection of this - have you reached out to Alan to determine current status? Lee C. I actually ended up with Alan's 11/750 (which is now up and running, thanks to help from people here), so I don't know if he's still interested in

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I just saw this was sent to the 750 email address I set up. I'll find the URL this evening. > On May 1, 2016, at 13:36, Lee Courtney wrote: > > I have a vague recollection of this - have you reached out to Alan to > determine current status? > > Lee C. > > On Sun, May 1,

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I sold my VAX (and the buyer, Josh, has it running now!), but I am still maintaining the registry. Only 4-5 people have sent me info. I am away from my desk and don't have access to the URL/e-mail addr right now. I will send it to you later. alan > On May 1, 2016, at 13:36, Lee Courtney

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I have a vague recollection of this - have you reached out to Alan to determine current status? Lee C. On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > On 2015-07-06 11:03 PM, Alan Perry wrote: > >> Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-06 11:03 PM, Alan Perry wrote: Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I wouldn't mind knowing who else out there has one and where they are now. If you are interested, send me e-mail (vax11-...@snowmoose.com). alan Since I've heard of a few 11/750's having

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

In the registry that I was planning on creating, I was going to include a lot of 11/750-specific fields. Does it have a Unibus expansion cabinet? What control store does it have? From the responses that I have received so far, I have already run into questions about what should be listed as an

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

What control store does it have? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Are you asking for the microcode revision? That would also apply to pretty much all VAXes. Probably referring to the L0005 CPU Control Store vs. L0008 Patchable Control Store. There's also a few types of L0008

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Alan Perry [ape...@snowmoose.com] wrote: ... I was going to include a lot of 11/750-specific fields. Does it have a Unibus expansion cabinet? That would apply to all 7xx VAXes, as well as many of the 8xxx family. I don't think any others had a UBA option, but I could easily be wrong. What

OT: captcha (was: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) )

On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com wrote: Isn't third world labor cheap enough to out-source Captcha answering in bulk? Only if someone has a failure of imagination. Here’s the way the third-world interface on that application will probably look: “Exercises in applied

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Jay West jw...@classiccmp.org wrote: One problem is going to be authentication. If it has any contact information (and it seems like it would need to in order to be useful) then it's gonna become a target for SPAM. Captcha? And if you add a simple question

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Jay West jw...@classiccmp.org wrote: One problem is going to be authentication. If it has any contact information (and it seems like it would need to in order to be useful) then it's gonna become a target for SPAM. Captcha? Isn'y third world labor cheap

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I don't have any firm data, but I suspect it's way beyond that. Only among the people I know personally, and clubs, I'll probably be able to count around 20 (if not more). And that is a very small circle of people compared to the whole world. Yes, the true number may be well beyond 1000. Just

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

This may be hosted on the classiccmp server if you wish. There are already plans afoot for a registry there that would include both public and private listings, as well as measures to ensure entries that are desired to be anonymous (but verified) can be presented as well. The initial idea was for

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

But with an rdbms and a nice front then it could encompass all makes and models. Linux, a web page form, some PHP scripts and MySQL and we're done. Any volunteers ??? :-) One problem is going to be authentication. If it has any contact information (and it seems like it would need to in

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Gotta give Rob credit for at least throwing something out there ... what approach would you take? Best, Sean On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: On 2015-07-09 1:20 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote: But with an rdbms and a nice front then it could encompass

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

One problem is going to be authentication. If it has any contact information (and it seems like it would need to in order to be useful) then it's gonna become a target for SPAM. Captcha? J

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Linux, a web page form, some PHP scripts and MySQL and we're done. Any ^ Chilling words. Are you TRYING to get Jay to withdraw his offer of hosting? Hah. The classiccmp server is LAMP... so none of the above is a

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-09 1:20 PM, Robert Armstrong wrote: But with an rdbms and a nice front then it could encompass all makes and models. Linux, a web page form, some PHP scripts and MySQL and we're done. Any ^ Chilling words.

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I was wondering along those lines myself earlier this morning... I am thinking, regardless of how many may have originally been produced, I bet if you gathered up all the VAXen in the hands of collectors now; big and small; bussed and bus-less, I bet you'd end up with only a few hundred machines,

Re: FW: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-08 19:21, Robert Armstrong wrote: Perhaps SDI is a typo for SBI, as in the 11/780? Yeah, exactly. Sometimes the fingers are faster than the brain :-) Synchronous Backplane Interconnect - the system bus used on the 78x and some of the 8000 machines. The 8600 and 8650 are

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-09 09:29, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: Sorry for top-posting but having read this thread I feel you are discriminating for no real reason. Certainly, if the registry is a plain old text file with one maintainer then some limitations is probably good. But with an rdbms and a nice front

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-09 5:28 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-07-09 09:29, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: Sorry for top-posting but having read this thread I feel you are discriminating for no real reason. Certainly, if the registry is a plain old text file with one maintainer then some limitations is

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-09 15:13, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-09 5:28 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-07-09 09:29, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: Sorry for top-posting but having read this thread I feel you are discriminating for no real reason. Certainly, if the registry is a plain old text file with one

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote: Personally I think anything with castors on No. I have a PC server case from late 286 era with tiny casters. But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 full-height drives.

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Jul 8, 2015, at 08:34, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: Plus I'm guessing (admittedly) that the Really Big VAX racks don't have castors either? The VAX-11/780 has casters. Back in college, a friend and I pushed a decommissioned 11/780 out of the computer room and into our

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote: Personally I think anything with castors on No. I have a PC server case from late 286 era with tiny casters. But, it was nice to be able to have more than 4 full-height drives. Plus I'm guessing

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Jul 8, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote: Personally I think anything with castors on No. I have a PC server case from late 286 era with tiny casters. But, it was nice to be

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin Sent: 08 July 2015 15:47 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Oh yes they did! And screw down feet. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=VAX#/media/File:SPEC-1_VAX_05.jpg On 8 July 2015 at 16:34, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: On 2015-07-08 10:46 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Dave Wade wrote: Personally I think anything with

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain Sent: 08 July 2015 16:34 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- Topic Posts Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On 2015-07-08

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 7/8/15 12:59 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: I love those server hoists... the data center that I work in at U-M has two of them, however they are made by Genie and they are a hand-crank type, no automatic lift. They easily turn a

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 7/6/15 8:17 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: On 6 July 2015 at 23:03, Alan Perry ape...@snowmoose.com wrote: Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I wouldn't mind knowing who else out there has one and where they are now. If you are interested, send me e-mail

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote: I love those server hoists... the data center that I work in at U-M has two of them, however they are made by Genie and they are a hand-crank type, no automatic lift. They easily turn a job that could require two, three or even

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 7/7/15 1:50 PM, tony duell wrote: BTW, is this list limited to machines that are in operable condition? I would include machines that were clearly restorable. OK, anything can be restored, but you know what I mean :-). In other words an 11/730 or 11/750 that needs its TU58 rollers

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I've never meet a full-size rack that didn't have casters ... otherwise there'd be no way to move it around. :O There must have been? Of course, you'd put the feet down once the equipment is situated. Best, Sean On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au wrote: On

FW: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Perhaps SDI is a typo for SBI, as in the 11/780? Yeah, exactly. Sometimes the fingers are faster than the brain :-) Synchronous Backplane Interconnect - the system bus used on the 78x and some of the 8000 machines. Bob

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 7/7/15 4:35 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2015-07-08 01:25, Antonio Carlini wrote: On 07/07/15 23:06, Johnny Billquist wrote: I honestly don't have a good idea of what defines a large VAX. Buses feels unsuitable. Power connector maybe? :-) If the intention is to avoid a huge list then

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote: Johnny Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote: some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ... Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2 chassis for the CPU - the same physical

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote: Johnny Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote: some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ... Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2 chassis for the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730, yet they were genuine

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-07 23:30, Robert Armstrong wrote: P Gebhardt p.gebhardt at ymail.com wrote: wonder how the ratio of VAX 6000s and 7000s in enthusiasts' hands compared of VAX 11's in terms of numbers is? I guess that /780 and larger systems are rare, but I'd guess that there are some more /730 and

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Johnny Billquist bqt at update.uu.se wrote: some of the 8000-series stuff are probably the biggest ... Not all of them. The 82xx/83xx family was just one 10-1/2 chassis for the CPU - the same physical size as a 11/730, yet they were genuine single or dual CPU BI bus VAXen. Of course, many of

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 07/07/15 23:02, Johnny Billquist wrote: Right. But I did say some. :-) Think 8978 for example... Does that really count as a VAX? It was just a marketing name for cluster ... Antonio

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

- Ursprüngliche Message - Von: Johnny Billquist b...@update.uu.se An: cct...@classiccmp.org CC: Gesendet: 23:02 Dienstag, 7.Juli 2015 Betreff: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On 2015-07-07 23:55, Robert Armstrong wrote: Johnny Billquist bqt at update.uu.se

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

P Gebhardt p.gebhardt at ymail.com wrote: wonder how the ratio of VAX 6000s and 7000s in enthusiasts' hands compared of VAX 11's in terms of numbers is? I guess that /780 and larger systems are rare, but I'd guess that there are some more /730 and /750 around. No idea if my gut feeling

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

How many microvaxen were made? I think that would be a lot more work, wouldn't it? alan On 7/6/15 11:52 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: will this include micro vax also? Ed# In a message dated 7/6/2015 8:03:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ape...@snowmoose.com writes: Is there

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I'd vote for big VAX list. The minutiae of marketing names is pretty boring and irrelevant to such a list isn't it? Should the requirement be weight, physical size, or what tools are lost in it?

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

will this include micro vax also? Ed# In a message dated 7/6/2015 8:03:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ape...@snowmoose.com writes: Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I wouldn't mind knowing who else out there has one and where they are now. If you are

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Should the requirement be weight, physical size, or what tools are lost in it? BTU requirements.

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I'd vote for big VAX list. I'd say any VAX with a UNIBUS, SDI, BI or XMI bus, at least, should qualify. I think that would include all the 7xx, 6xxx, 8xxx, and 7xxx/1 machines. I don't really know what was in a 9000... BTW, is this list limited to machines that are in operable

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-07 20:54, Robert Armstrong wrote: I'd vote for big VAX list. I'd say any VAX with a UNIBUS, SDI, BI or XMI bus, at least, should qualify. I think that would include all the 7xx, 6xxx, 8xxx, and 7xxx/1 machines. I don't really know what was in a 9000... 9000 is also XMI.

RE: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

I'd say any VAX with a UNIBUS, SDI, BI or XMI bus, at least, should qualify. I think that would include all the 7xx, 6xxx, 8xxx, and 7xxx/1 machines. I don't really know what was in a 9000... 9000 is also XMI. Several of them, if I remember right. SDI on the other hand is

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

Sorry for the scope creep; but perhaps it might be more useful/interesting to make it a registry of any VAX that has a name of the form VAX-11/7xx? (Which could also include the VAX 8600 and VAX 8650, since were originally to be called the VAX-11/790 and VAX-11/795.) I'd vote

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-08 01:25, Antonio Carlini wrote: On 07/07/15 23:06, Johnny Billquist wrote: I honestly don't have a good idea of what defines a large VAX. Buses feels unsuitable. Power connector maybe? :-) If the intention is to avoid a huge list then excluding MicroVAXes and VAXstations should

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-07 23:49, tony duell wrote: I'd say any VAX with a UNIBUS, SDI, BI or XMI bus, at least, should qualify. I think that would include all the 7xx, 6xxx, 8xxx, and 7xxx/1 machines. I don't really know what was in a 9000... 9000 is also XMI. Several of them, if I remember

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

On 2015-07-06 11:17 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: On 6 July 2015 at 23:03, Alan Perry ape...@snowmoose.com wrote: Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry? I wouldn't mind knowing who else out there has one and where they are now. If you are interested, send me e-mail

Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On 6 July 2015 at 23:03, Alan Perry ape...@snowmoose.com wrote: Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry?  I wouldn't mind knowing who else out there has one and where they are now.  If you are interested, send me e-mail (vax11

Re: Reviving a VAX-11/750

In my efforts to understand the problem with the Cache/TB Diagnostics I tried to run it under 11/750 simulator in SimH. It fails too! ECKAL -- VAX 11/750 Cache/TB Diagnostic HALT instruction, PC: 2608 (MTPR #F,#26) Although not the same location. On the real machine: @?ECKAL -- VAX 11/750

RE: Reviving a VAX-11/750

I also may dump the console firmware PROMs at some point. I've already done some preliminary disassembly of the TU58 firmware. I am pretty sure I dumped all the PROMs and PALs in the CPU of my 11/730 (but not the ones in the R80) long before there was a bitsavers. I can see if I can find

Re: Reviving a VAX-11/750

2015-06-15 17:32 GMT+02:00 Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net: I wasn't aware that you are working on a 750 repair. Congratulations on the progress you have already made! Are you using real console tapes, tu58em, or something else? Well. I am probably working on to much simultaneously. But this

Re: Reviving a VAX-11/750

On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:06 , Mattis Lind mattisl...@gmail.com wrote: Well. I am probably working on to much simultaneously. I am very guilty of that, too! :) Then I compiled your fork of tu58em on github. And it worked perfect. I didn't need to use the special vax mode that you have

Re: Reviving a VAX-11/750

On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:59 , tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: I also may dump the console firmware PROMs at some point. I've already done some preliminary disassembly of the TU58 firmware. I am pretty sure I dumped all the PROMs and PALs in the CPU of my 11/730 (but not