Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On 10/29/21 12:51 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote: AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3 keyboard to admit that connector. My Sun 2/120 server has an RJ mouse connector next to the RJ keyboard connector on the back of the chassis. My Sun 2/50 desktop client has a DA-15 keyboard connector on the back and has the mouse plugged into the keyboard. I have a black Mouse Systems mouse with a Sun sticker on the front. P/N 900783-002/01. Maybe for a Sun-1? The Sun Hardware Reference (http://www.sunhelp.org/faq/sunref5.html) says: Sun-2 - Optical mice, usually black, from Mouse Systems. They use a special optical mouse pad with broad stripes. Cable with RJ connector which connects either to the CPU directly or to an RJ-DB15 adapter (see type-2 keyboards above). Sun-3 - Optical mice, usually white, from Mouse Systems. They use the same mouse pad as Sun-2 mice. Cable with RJ connector which connects to the back of a type-3 keyboard. Sun-4 - Optical mice, usually white. They use a special optical mouse pad with narrow stripes. Cable with DIN-8 connector which connects to a type-4 or type-5 keyboard.
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech > wrote: > I have a black Mouse Systems mouse with a Sun sticker on the front. P/N > 900783-002/01. Maybe for a Sun-1? Sun-1 mouse has a DA15 connector. ok bear.
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
Sun 3/E reports sun2-keyboard, but it is happy with sun3 db15 keyboard On Friday, October 29, 2021, Michael Thompson via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone > > jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3 > > keyboard to admit that connector. > > > > My Sun 2/120 server has an RJ mouse connector next to the RJ keyboard > connector on the back of the chassis. > > My Sun 2/50 desktop client has a DA-15 keyboard connector on the back and > has the mouse plugged into the keyboard. > > I have a black Mouse Systems mouse with a Sun sticker on the front. P/N > 900783-002/01. Maybe for a Sun-1? > > -- > Michael Thompson >
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
> > AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone > jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3 > keyboard to admit that connector. > My Sun 2/120 server has an RJ mouse connector next to the RJ keyboard connector on the back of the chassis. My Sun 2/50 desktop client has a DA-15 keyboard connector on the back and has the mouse plugged into the keyboard. I have a black Mouse Systems mouse with a Sun sticker on the front. P/N 900783-002/01. Maybe for a Sun-1? -- Michael Thompson
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
Hi, On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 05:00:26PM -0400, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Alan Perry wrote: > > Aside from the posts on the side of the connector, what is unique about the > > cable and connector? What’s the deal with those posts? Aside from them, it > > looks like a 6P4C with only three leads connected. > > AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone > jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3 > keyboard to admit that connector. > > One could almost certainly start with a 6P4C cable and fix up the > mouse end and re-use a Sun4 mouse, but for show/display purposes, it > would be clearly a substitute. I am using a MiniDIN-8(F) to 6P4C (without those posts) cable I made to connect a type 4 mouse to my type 3 keyboard. Works perfectly. I think I found the pinouts for type 3 and type 4 mice in the SUN Hardware Reference? If anyone has trouble figuring it out I can measure the connections on my adapter and post them. Cheers, -- Malte Dehling
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Alan Perry wrote: > Aside from the posts on the side of the connector, what is unique about the > cable and connector? What’s the deal with those posts? Aside from them, it > looks like a 6P4C with only three leads connected. AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3 keyboard to admit that connector. One could almost certainly start with a 6P4C cable and fix up the mouse end and re-use a Sun4 mouse, but for show/display purposes, it would be clearly a substitute. That's why my original plan for home use was to make a Sun4 keyboard cable adapter - if it's just me, I can use a newer keyboard/mouse. -ethan
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 4:46 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Hi, Tom, > > Thanks! That was supposed to be off-list and I even checked recipients... :-( -ethan
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
Hi, Tom, Thanks! Yes. Sun3 mouse has RJ-11ish connector. It plugs into the keyboard which has a DA15 for the host. Totally different plugs from Sun4 and later. Ethan Dicks 2447 N. 4th St. Columbus OH 43202 On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 01:09 Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > Located. It was actually sold for Prime Computer and is black, but is new > in box with pad. > Mouse Systems MSC 401162-019/B with the 6 pin RJ11ish connector that I > believe was used on Sun3 systems. > Let me know you address if you are interested. > > --tom > > On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech > > wrote: > >> > https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 > >> > >> Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black > (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. > > I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out > > from under the porch. > > > > -etha > >
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
> On Oct 26, 2021, at 15:16, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > That's an easy and expected fix. What would be entirely uncool, and > was the reason I didn't drop $65 incl postage on it, is if the cable > had damage to it. That's the part that's unique to the Sun3, the > cable and connector. Aside from the posts on the side of the connector, what is unique about the cable and connector? What’s the deal with those posts? Aside from them, it looks like a 6P4C with only three leads connected. alan
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Rico Pajarola via cctalk wrote: > > I bought some of his stuff, but I picked it up. No complaints, it cleaned > up nicely. Try "make an offer"... As have I, got a Sun-2 monitor too! He should list his whole stock, not just one item at a time. (I gather he's got a few Sun-3/50, keyboards, mice, mouse pads, and a few HP 9000-340 too. Don't know if he has any more monitors than the Sun-2 monitor I bought though.) -- Chris
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:01 AM Antonio Carlini via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 26/10/2021 07:43, r.stricklin via cctech wrote > > Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black > (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. > > > "Unable to test. Some yellowing" > > > That needs some serious cleaning ... although that would then expose > even more yellowing :-) > I bought some of his stuff, but I picked it up. No complaints, it cleaned up nicely. Try "make an offer"... Antonio > > > -- > Antonio Carlini > anto...@acarlini.com > >
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 5:20 PM Alan Perry via cctech wrote: > >>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 > I would be more concerned about paying $50 for an untested mouse. I half expect that the LEDs need to be replaced - that was a common problem with this type of mouse. The IR LED in particular was driven hard and dimmed with age after a few years of being powered on. That's an easy and expected fix. What would be entirely uncool, and was the reason I didn't drop $65 incl postage on it, is if the cable had damage to it. That's the part that's unique to the Sun3, the cable and connector. > The mouse that came with my 3/260 was yellowed but otherwise looked > fine. Unfortunately it doesn't work. Even if the LEDs light up, a mouse that won't track can still have worn-out LEDs. Definitely check that first. If it's totally inert (no bits of any kind, not even button clicks), then that's a different matter. > I still haven't restored the 3/260 enough to be able to use a mouse, but > someday ... I got around to fixing up my 3/60 to bring to VCF a couple of years ago, but I had to borrow a suitable mouse. The other angle I have is to finish my DA15-DIN8 converter so I can use a newer mouse/keyboard. I _have_ a Sun3 keyboard (cost me more than the 3/60!) and I like to have that for exhibition, but just to use the machine, I don't mind using a Sun4 or Sun5 keyboard with it. -ethan
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On 10/26/21 11:14 AM, Zane Healy via cctech wrote: On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out from under the porch. -etha It doesn’t really look any worse than the “hockey puck” mouse that’s now on my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I’ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn’t really want to touch it. The cleaner mouse didn’t work. I would be more concerned about paying $50 for an untested mouse. The mouse that came with my 3/260 was yellowed but otherwise looked fine. Unfortunately it doesn't work. Using UV light and hydrogen peroxide, I was able to reverse the yellowing and it now looks great. I still haven't restored the 3/260 enough to be able to use a mouse, but someday ...
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:45 AM Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech > wrote: > > https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 > > > > Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were > > white/beige). I know some folks are looking. > > I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out > from under the porch. Looks like someone got it. I figured it wouldn't last long. Really, I can get away with a cable adapter and a Sun4 mouse, or I think I have a Sun4 mouse or two that someone cut the cable off of that can be rewired with the right jack. -ethan
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
Located. It was actually sold for Prime Computer and is black, but is new in box with pad. Mouse Systems MSC 401162-019/B with the 6 pin RJ11ish connector that I believe was used on Sun3 systems. Let me know you address if you are interested. --tom On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out from under the porch. -etha
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
I may have a sun3 mouse/pad you can have... I'll look. --tom On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out from under the porch. -etha
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On 2021-10-26 2:23 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out from under the porch. -etha It doesn’t really look any worse than the “hockey puck” mouse that’s now on my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I’ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn’t really want to touch it. The cleaner mouse didn’t work. FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in the past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco smoke residue. A very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also quite mild and unlikely to harm any plastics. At an earlier time I used alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a plexiglass display cover on the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's one of the few plastics that is damaged by ethanol. paul That’s good to know, as Isopropyl Alcohol is my go-to for cleaning electronics. I found to my chagrin that it can also take off some silk-screening. --Toby Zane
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > >> On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech >>> wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. >>> >>> I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out >>> from under the porch. >>> >>> -etha >> >> It doesn’t really look any worse than the “hockey puck” mouse that’s now on >> my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got >> that mouse from, I’ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where >> I found it a few months ago, when I went looking for one. It was disgusting >> enough that I didn’t really want to touch it. The cleaner mouse didn’t work. > > FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in > the past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco > smoke residue. A very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also > quite mild and unlikely to harm any plastics. At an earlier time I used > alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a plexiglass display cover on > the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's one of the few > plastics that is damaged by ethanol. > > paul That’s good to know, as Isopropyl Alcohol is my go-to for cleaning electronics. Zane
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
> On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk > wrote: > > On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech >> wrote: >>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 >>> >>> Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were >>> white/beige). I know some folks are looking. >> >> I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out >> from under the porch. >> >> -etha > > It doesn’t really look any worse than the “hockey puck” mouse that’s now on > my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that > mouse from, I’ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where I > found it a few months ago, when I went looking for one. It was disgusting > enough that I didn’t really want to touch it. The cleaner mouse didn’t work. FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in the past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco smoke residue. A very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also quite mild and unlikely to harm any plastics. At an earlier time I used alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a plexiglass display cover on the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's one of the few plastics that is damaged by ethanol. paul
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech > wrote: >> https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 >> >> Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were >> white/beige). I know some folks are looking. > > I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out > from under the porch. > > -etha It doesn’t really look any worse than the “hockey puck” mouse that’s now on my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I’ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn’t really want to touch it. The cleaner mouse didn’t work. Zane
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 > > Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were > white/beige). I know some folks are looking. I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out from under the porch. -etha
Re: Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
On 26/10/2021 07:43, r.stricklin via cctech wrote Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. "Unable to test. Some yellowing" That needs some serious cleaning ... although that would then expose even more yellowing :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Sun-2 and Sun-3 mice (eBay)
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340=item4dcf9388e4%3Ag%3Ar%7EcAAOSwFVhhd12t=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking. No connection with the seller, apart from having bought one of them already. ok bear.
