Re: TESTFDC
Another vote for the FDADAP. Could've built my own, but it's reasonably priced, handles TG43, does RX50, and I like supporting John's work. Thanks, Jonathan On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > *sigh* Fat fingers again. > > > On 27 Jan 2018, at 22:58, Mike Loewen via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > > > Now where did I put that 8? drive... > >>> > >>> I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. > >> > >> My pair are Tandons, they?re in a CPT8500 word processor which I?d also > like to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? > > > > Nothing specific to the drive, but I think well of the FDADAP 8" floppy > disk adapter to connect the drive to the controller: > > > > http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html > > Yep, I was looking at those yesterday, hooked in by the mention of an > RX50. $40 including postage to the UK is a pretty decent price. > > Cheers, > > A > > > — > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs > f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > >
Re: TESTFDC
*sigh* Fat fingers again. > On 27 Jan 2018, at 22:58, Mike Loewen via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > Now where did I put that 8? drive... >>> >>> I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. >> >> My pair are Tandons, they?re in a CPT8500 word processor which I?d also like >> to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? > > Nothing specific to the drive, but I think well of the FDADAP 8" floppy disk > adapter to connect the drive to the controller: > > http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html Yep, I was looking at those yesterday, hooked in by the mention of an RX50. $40 including postage to the UK is a pretty decent price. Cheers, A — Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
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> On 27 Jan 2018, at 22:58, Mike Loewen via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > Now where did I put that 8? drive... >>> >>> I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. >> >> My pair are Tandons, they?re in a CPT8500 word processor which I?d also like >> to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? > > Nothing specific to the drive, but I think well of the FDADAP 8" floppy > disk adapter to connect the drive to the controller: > > http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html Yep, I was looking at those yesterday, hooked in by the mention of an RX50. $40 including postage to the UK is a pretty decent price. Cheers, A
Re: TESTFDC
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: Now where did I put that 8? drive... I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. My pair are Tandons, they?re in a CPT8500 word processor which I?d also like to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? Nothing specific to the drive, but I think well of the FDADAP 8" floppy disk adapter to connect the drive to the controller: http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: TESTFDC
(2nd go, fat fingers posted from the wrong account, apologies if it double posts) > On 27 Jan 2018, at 21:55, Mike Loewen via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > >> I?d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond W83627HF >> with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. I?ve been >> trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week found >> this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap >> Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it >> going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can >> archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D > > I'm also using the K8V Pro for my imaging system. I've successfully made > bootable disks for all sorts of SD and DD systems. This one took some coaxing to get going but now that it is I have a need to make disks for my TRS80 Model 4P since I only have the one boot disk with it. >> Now where did I put that 8? drive... > > I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. My pair are Tandons, they’re in a CPT8500 word processor which I’d also like to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? Cheers! A > > Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/— Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
Re: TESTFDC
> On 27 Jan 2018, at 21:55, Mike Loewen via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > >> I?d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond W83627HF >> with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. I?ve been >> trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week found >> this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap >> Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it >> going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can >> archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D > > I'm also using the K8V Pro for my imaging system. I've successfully made > bootable disks for all sorts of SD and DD systems. This one took some coaxing to get going but now that it is I have a need to make disks for my TRS80 Model 4P since I only have the one boot disk with it. >> Now where did I put that 8? drive... > > I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. My pair are Tandons, they’re in a CPT8500 word processor which I’d also like to get going at some point. Any tips on coaxing them back into life? Cheers! A > > Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us > Old Technologyhttp://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: TESTFDC
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: I?d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. I?ve been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week found this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D I'm also using the K8V Pro for my imaging system. I've successfully made bootable disks for all sorts of SD and DD systems. Now where did I put that 8? drive... I'm using a Tandon 848 on mine. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: TESTFDC
> On 27 Jan 2018, at 20:23, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > A 380Z, nice! I used to use those when I was at University. My final year > project used one connected to a research machine called MU6-G for > diagnostics. All the registers in the machine were connected up as one > enormous shift register, so you could get and set any register in the machine > from the 380Z. I wrote a program to do simple diagnostics on the machine. It > was a lot of fun. > > They don’t come up very often and go for more money than I can justify. It was the first machine I used at school so when someone offered me a broken one back in 2011 I jumped at the chance. I tried fixing it back then with Tony’s help but wasn’t as confident as I am now so it only took me a few hours to fix. Fortunately it came with boot disks but making new ones has been a massive lesson in CP/M compatibility and reintroduction to assembler coupled with swearing :) It uses an odd format that 22DISK doesn’t like though, but ImageDisk works nicely now that I have the right PC hardware to do it. I’m now keen to try cpmtools on linux once I find out if that floppy controller is still supported, and if it isn’t how far back to I need to go! Much writing and pictures (no swearing) at http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/rml/380z.php Cheers A > Regards > > Rob > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian >> Graham via cctalk >> Sent: 27 January 2018 19:16 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: TESTFDC >> >> I’d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond >> W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. >> I’ve >> been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week >> found >> this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap >> Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it >> going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can >> archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D >> >> Typical of my luck a contact has also found an Adaptec 1522A that he’ll >> hopefully send me too, then I’m covered for all eventualities. >> >> Now where did I put that 8” drive... >> >> — >> Adrian/Witchy >> Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards >> w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk <http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/> t: @binarydinosaurs >> f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs — Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
RE: TESTFDC
A 380Z, nice! I used to use those when I was at University. My final year project used one connected to a research machine called MU6-G for diagnostics. All the registers in the machine were connected up as one enormous shift register, so you could get and set any register in the machine from the 380Z. I wrote a program to do simple diagnostics on the machine. It was a lot of fun. They don’t come up very often and go for more money than I can justify. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Graham via cctalk > Sent: 27 January 2018 19:16 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: TESTFDC > > I’d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond > W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. > I’ve > been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week > found > this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap > Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it > going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can > archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D > > Typical of my luck a contact has also found an Adaptec 1522A that he’ll > hopefully send me too, then I’m covered for all eventualities. > > Now where did I put that 8” drive... > > — > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk <http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/> t: @binarydinosaurs > f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
Re: TESTFDC
That came off of the original import from Dave's old registry. I've still got to go through and approve the new submissions, planning on doing that this weekend, as well as adding a few of my own! Thanks, Jonathan On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I’d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond > W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. > I’ve been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last > week found this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a > scrap Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually > got it going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning > I can archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D > > Typical of my luck a contact has also found an Adaptec 1522A that he’ll > hopefully send me too, then I’m covered for all eventualities. > > Now where did I put that 8” drive... > > — > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk <http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/> t: > @binarydinosaurs > f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > >
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windows 98 on a athlon 64 shoiuld be one of the fastest windows installs ever :) anyhow cool rig for messing with stuff On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I’d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond > W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. > I’ve been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last > week found this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a > scrap Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually > got it going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning > I can archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D > > Typical of my luck a contact has also found an Adaptec 1522A that he’ll > hopefully send me too, then I’m covered for all eventualities. > > Now where did I put that 8” drive... > > — > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk <http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/> t: > @binarydinosaurs > f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > >
TESTFDC
I’d like to thank whoever it was who added the Abit K8V Pro/Winbond W83627HF with its test results to the TESTFDC page for writing SSSD disks. I’ve been trying to get a similar setup going for a fortnight now and last week found this motherboard on e*ay for Not Many UK Pounds. Coupled with a scrap Athlon64 system from work and a scratched Windows98 CD I eventually got it going earlier and can now read/write single density floppies meaning I can archive the disks I got with my Research Machines 380Z :D Typical of my luck a contact has also found an Adaptec 1522A that he’ll hopefully send me too, then I’m covered for all eventualities. Now where did I put that 8” drive... — Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk <http://binarydinosaurs.co.uk/> t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Mark G Thomas wrote: > I think you want this: http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/adaptec/EZSCSI40.IMD > (This URL is temporary.) Ahh I didn't realize it was just the EZSCSI disk. Grabbed it just in case, as I don't know which version(s) I have. Thanks! -j
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
> From: Jonathan > if someone wants to sticky this (here or in other forums), I think this > would be a valuable resource for anyone wanting to use ImageDisk on > non-PC formats. How about someone doing an ImageDisk page on the Computer History Wiki; we could include an 'External link' to the new registry (and also the original one, etc). Noel
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
Hi, On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:26:45PM -0600, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Richard Cini wrote: > > I use this card as a floppy/disk controller in a PC/AT that's used solely > > for imaging. The controller is connected to two Seagate ST-2502N (442MB) > > hard drives running MS-DOS 6.22. Works like a champ. Cables are readily > > available on eBay but since they're regular 50-pin IDC connectors, you can > > DIY if needed -- connectors are readily available. > > Do you have (and can you post) the MS-DOS drivers for that card? I > also run one in my floppy imager machine, which dual-boots btw. MS-DOS > and some later Linux. Having SCSI for at least one of the OSes would > be nice. > > I could also switch the other partition over to FreeBSD, as Warner L > suggested. I think you want this: http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/adaptec/EZSCSI40.IMD (This URL is temporary.) I just found, imaged, and installed it, on my disk-imaging PC using an AHA-1522A: --- IMD 1.18: 24/12/2017 4:54:15 Adaptec EZ-SCSI v4.01a Setup Diskette Disk 1of1 HD 3.5 Windows 95/NT/3.1x and DOS Drivers >From Windows 95 or NT Click Start, Run, Type a:\setup >From Windows 3.1 or NT 3.52 File/Run Type a:\setup >From DOS Type a:, Type dosinst --- Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (m...@misty.com), KC3DRE
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
I often have a 1522A in my disk imaging machine. Linux supports it, which means I can use `ddrescue` with it. It'll also talk to a lot of older/slower drives that my 2940UW doesn't like (e.g. very old DEC drives from VAXen, it does better with some old tape drives than the 2940UW). It's slow, but I've also found that it's less likely to cause a kernel panic if you're working on a disk that is very near the end of its life. I suspect that's due to being a PIO device. Thanks, Jonathan On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:31 AM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 1/18/2018 5:44 PM, Jason T via cctalk wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as >>> well have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out >>> looking for them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. >>> >> Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It >> has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless >> you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one >> imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. >> It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. >> Not sure about the BSDs. >> >> >> The 1522 was based on a lower cost chipset which Adaptec introduced to > complement the 154x boards. SCSI was suffering from being undercut by > other interfaces in the market due to the nonstandard bios interface that > the systems equipped with the 154x boards had to run with as bios got more > complicated. > > Also I think this was the first chip that could be in the system w/o > having the bios initiate the interface. The 154x (1542 for example) > required having the bus initiated and reset at boot by the bios, since > there was a lot of logic involved in that chip. The 152x and the like > could be fully integrated into a reasonable sized driver and only have to > go the the time consuming process of resetting and enumerating devices and > initiators, etc. when needed. > > As Richard said for use with scanners and other peripheral media. The > systems became very annoying if you didn't have boot media attached to the > system controller to justify all the time it took to do that on every boot. > > And this and the 151x controllers were priced lower. > > I suspect the 154x and the PCI interface controllers Adaptec had should > still be in the kernel. You might be able to find the drivers and enable > them in the Linux Kernel, unless some kernel driver rewrite had some > feature that couldn't be implemented for this controller. > > I don't have a lot of references for the above, and if anyone has updates > or comments, please add them. I'm still using the HP DL360 and DL380 and > the like which have the higher end controllers integrated in for the only > SCSI work I do, and have not followed these or other support for a long > time for parallel scsi interfaces. > > DL360's are so cheap that buying one with SCSI drives in the Generation 5 > or 6 or later is the best way I know of to run SCSI. Not great for power, > but they are excellent and solid systems with a lot of OS support. > thanks > Jim >
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On 1/18/2018 5:44 PM, Jason T via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as well have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out looking for them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs. The 1522 was based on a lower cost chipset which Adaptec introduced to complement the 154x boards. SCSI was suffering from being undercut by other interfaces in the market due to the nonstandard bios interface that the systems equipped with the 154x boards had to run with as bios got more complicated. Also I think this was the first chip that could be in the system w/o having the bios initiate the interface. The 154x (1542 for example) required having the bus initiated and reset at boot by the bios, since there was a lot of logic involved in that chip. The 152x and the like could be fully integrated into a reasonable sized driver and only have to go the the time consuming process of resetting and enumerating devices and initiators, etc. when needed. As Richard said for use with scanners and other peripheral media. The systems became very annoying if you didn't have boot media attached to the system controller to justify all the time it took to do that on every boot. And this and the 151x controllers were priced lower. I suspect the 154x and the PCI interface controllers Adaptec had should still be in the kernel. You might be able to find the drivers and enable them in the Linux Kernel, unless some kernel driver rewrite had some feature that couldn't be implemented for this controller. I don't have a lot of references for the above, and if anyone has updates or comments, please add them. I'm still using the HP DL360 and DL380 and the like which have the higher end controllers integrated in for the only SCSI work I do, and have not followed these or other support for a long time for parallel scsi interfaces. DL360's are so cheap that buying one with SCSI drives in the Generation 5 or 6 or later is the best way I know of to run SCSI. Not great for power, but they are excellent and solid systems with a lot of OS support. thanks Jim
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On 1/19/2018 12:08 AM, TeoZ via cctalk wrote: Didn’t early SUN gear have SCSI floppy drives? There is a SCSI floppy drive branded with Tadpole, I think. thanks Jim -Original Message- From: Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:18 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry) On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Jason T via cctalk wrote: Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs. A few SCSI floppy drives existed, but they were never very common. Only SCSI floppy that I remember having was a "Floptical" (20MB), that also handled 1.4M Or, are you suggesting putting together an imaging machine that also handles HDD, CD-ROM, some tape cartridges, etc.? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2018, TeoZ wrote: > > Didn?t early SUN gear have SCSI floppy drives? > > No, SUN always used standard floppy controllers. But HP and DEC used them, > although it was not very common. The floppy drives are standard TEAC > FD-235HF with an additional SCSI floppy controller board. > > Christian Christian weißt Du wo man Sowas noch auftreiben könnte? Ich suche nach einer Möglichkeit Floppies mit "modernen Computern" zu lesen und Schreiben..natürlich noch viel lieber 5,25 Zoll.. SCSI hab ich in so gut wie allen Rechnern, aber die Motherboards haben keinen FDC mehr und auch keine ISA Slots um sowas wie einen 1542 rein zu stöpseln. Gruß, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Straße 42, 09600 Oberschöna, USt-Id: DE253710583 i...@tsht.de Fax +49 3731 74200 Tel +49 3731 74222 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Fri, 19 Jan 2018, TeoZ wrote: Didn?t early SUN gear have SCSI floppy drives? No, SUN always used standard floppy controllers. But HP and DEC used them, although it was not very common. The floppy drives are standard TEAC FD-235HF with an additional SCSI floppy controller board. Christian
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Chuck Guzis wrote: I've had some decent results with P4 and Socket 939 motherboards but after that, not so much. I don't know if that's a bright-line rule, but it seems to hold with my gear. My quite current Socket AM3+ board with six-core CPU and 16GB of RAM (to be precise, an ASrock 890FX Deluxe5) has a floppy connector (one of the reason I chose that board), and it supports FM and MFM. Christian
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
Didn’t early SUN gear have SCSI floppy drives? -Original Message- From: Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:18 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry) On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Jason T via cctalk wrote: Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs. A few SCSI floppy drives existed, but they were never very common. Only SCSI floppy that I remember having was a "Floptical" (20MB), that also handled 1.4M Or, are you suggesting putting together an imaging machine that also handles HDD, CD-ROM, some tape cartridges, etc.? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On 01/18/2018 06:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > A few SCSI floppy drives existed, but they were never very common. > Only SCSI floppy that I remember having was a "Floptical" (20MB), that > also handled 1.4M Most "real" SCSI drives were basically bolt-on adapter affairs to a traditional floppy interface. You can, for example, occasionally find Teac FD235S drives for sale--and if you look, it's basically a SCSI-to-floppy adapter bolted onto a regular FD235. There were also some SMS/OMTI cards that served the same purpose--floopy-to-SCSI. --Chuck
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
For that card, no drivers are needed for the hard drives. The on-board ROM is an Int13 wedge. Regarding using any other devices like a ZIP drive, CD or a floptical, not sure if those need drivers. ZIP definitely needed a DOS driver. The CD did as well (In both config.sys and autoexec) but the ROM may have CDROM extensions already to enable booting from CD. Never tried it with that card though. Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:27 PM -0500, "Jason T via cctalk" wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Richard Cini wrote: > I use this card as a floppy/disk controller in a PC/AT that's used solely for > imaging. The controller is connected to two Seagate ST-2502N (442MB) hard > drives running MS-DOS 6.22. Works like a champ. Cables are readily available > on eBay but since they're regular 50-pin IDC connectors, you can DIY if > needed -- connectors are readily available. Do you have (and can you post) the MS-DOS drivers for that card? I also run one in my floppy imager machine, which dual-boots btw. MS-DOS and some later Linux. Having SCSI for at least one of the OSes would be nice. I could also switch the other partition over to FreeBSD, as Warner L suggested.
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Or, are you suggesting putting together an imaging machine that also handles > HDD, CD-ROM, some tape cartridges, etc.? Correct. Two key components in short supply when you have 11 classiccmp projects are space and motivation, so if I can dd an old hard drive/Jaz cart/etc from the same machine where I'm reading in floppies, all the better.
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Richard Cini wrote: > I use this card as a floppy/disk controller in a PC/AT that's used solely for > imaging. The controller is connected to two Seagate ST-2502N (442MB) hard > drives running MS-DOS 6.22. Works like a champ. Cables are readily available > on eBay but since they're regular 50-pin IDC connectors, you can DIY if > needed -- connectors are readily available. Do you have (and can you post) the MS-DOS drivers for that card? I also run one in my floppy imager machine, which dual-boots btw. MS-DOS and some later Linux. Having SCSI for at least one of the OSes would be nice. I could also switch the other partition over to FreeBSD, as Warner L suggested.
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Jason T via cctalk wrote: Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs. A few SCSI floppy drives existed, but they were never very common. Only SCSI floppy that I remember having was a "Floptical" (20MB), that also handled 1.4M Or, are you suggesting putting together an imaging machine that also handles HDD, CD-ROM, some tape cartridges, etc.?
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Jan 18, 2018 6:44 PM, "Jason T via cctalk" wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as well have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out looking for them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs. FreeBSD supports it with the aic driver. Warner
Re: Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
I use this card as a floppy/disk controller in a PC/AT that's used solely for imaging. The controller is connected to two Seagate ST-2502N (442MB) hard drives running MS-DOS 6.22. Works like a champ. Cables are readily available on eBay but since they're regular 50-pin IDC connectors, you can DIY if needed -- connectors are readily available. Rich -- Rich Cini http://www.classiccmp.org/cini http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32 On 1/18/18, 8:44 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Jason T via cctalk" wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as well have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out looking for them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs.
Adaptec 1522A SCSI Support (was re: New TestFDC Results Registry)
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as well > have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out looking for > them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. Has anyone using one of these cards made use of the SCSI function? It has a Centronics 50 connector, which isn't terribly useful unless you've got the right cable, but if you're building an all-in-one imaging machine, it might be handy to have SCSI capability as well. It seems the driver hasn't been in Linux for quite a few versions. Not sure about the BSDs.
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
>> manipulate SSSD images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from >> our own Chuck Guzis saying there were two controller chips in the >> 1542CF (national and broken Intel) and I discovered I had a broken >> Intel one. >> >> I may have cussed. > > Perhaps all is not lost. I'd have to go and look at my 1542CF, but I > believe that I discovered that it uses either the Intel 82077 or the > National PC8477 chip. Yep, and that Intel broke the SSSD part of the FDC by adding tape support to the card. > That being the case, if you're handy, you can simply replace the Intel > chip with the National one. They're pretty much pin-compatible (the NSC > one requires a couple fewer external components). I could, but I guess by the time I’ve sourced a replacement I might as well have bought an AHA-1522A instead, I have a couple of scouts out looking for them as we speak :) The 1522A is a full pass for TESTFDC. > > There are many other SCSI controllers that have decent FDCs. I've had > good luck with Ultrastor and Future Domain cards, for example. I noticed a couple of boards on the list that I might’ve gone past in the ‘spare old boards’ box at work earlier and discounted because they were too ‘new’, an Asus one and Aopen one which are both Athlon based. They both do SSSD so it’s also an avenue worth pursuing. Cheers! — Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
On 01/18/2018 12:46 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > Gh, talk about the wrong timing for this XD. I say this because I > just bought an AHA-1524CF on various folk’s recommendations (not from > here) a couple of weeks ago only to find I still couldn’t really > manipulate SSSD images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from > our own Chuck Guzis saying there were two controller chips in the > 1542CF (national and broken Intel) and I discovered I had a broken > Intel one. > > I may have cussed. Perhaps all is not lost. I'd have to go and look at my 1542CF, but I believe that I discovered that it uses either the Intel 82077 or the National PC8477 chip. That being the case, if you're handy, you can simply replace the Intel chip with the National one. They're pretty much pin-compatible (the NSC one requires a couple fewer external components). There are many other SCSI controllers that have decent FDCs. I've had good luck with Ultrastor and Future Domain cards, for example. --Chuck
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
On 01/18/2018 01:57 PM, william degnan wrote: > Please, call me Bill :-) > I have a system with a Catweasel and a connection to the motherboard, I > am unsure how I have it set up as it has been many years since I opened > the box. I have to see what I am doing in there. It's a dual-boot > system that goes into either Win 2000 or DOS 6.22, but I forget how the > catweasel is hooked up and wither I use it with image disk or not. Okay, so who was it on this list wanted to be called Will? At any rate, Bill, I'll file that away for future reference. I really doubt that IMD will do anything with the CW MK4. Another rule of thumb is that if a motherboard is post-P4 and lacks a parallel port, it's unlikely that it'll give any useful results with TESTFDC. I think the floppy facility was included mostly for high-density *read* compatibility. I've had some decent results with P4 and Socket 939 motherboards but after that, not so much. I don't know if that's a bright-line rule, but it seems to hold with my gear. --Chuck
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
Please, call me Bill :-) I have a system with a Catweasel and a connection to the motherboard, I am unsure how I have it set up as it has been many years since I opened the box.I have to see what I am doing in there. It's a dual-boot system that goes into either Win 2000 or DOS 6.22, but I forget how the catweasel is hooked up and wither I use it with image disk or not. Bill On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Will, I wasn't aware the CW MK4+ had a legacy floppy controller on it > (i.e. ports 3fx, DMA 2, IRQ 6 setup with NEC 765 command set). The CWs > that I have (a MK3 and a MK1) are all sui generis devices not supported > by off-the-shelf software. In particularly, I don't think they'll work > with, say, IMD, or AnaDisk. > > --Chuck > > > On 01/18/2018 01:17 PM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: > > Does someone have results for the Siliconsonic / Individual computers > > Catweasel MK4 plus? IF not I will put that on my list of to-do's. > > > > I added a link to this onto my web site in the links section and the > > archiving info thread. > > > > Bill > > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >>> On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:46, systems_glitch via cctalk < > >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since > >>> apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry > >> into > >>> my site: > >>> > >>> https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results > >> > >> Gh, talk about the wrong timing for this XD. I say this because I > just > >> bought an AHA-1524CF on various folk’s recommendations (not from here) a > >> couple of weeks ago only to find I still couldn’t really manipulate SSSD > >> images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from our own Chuck Guzis > >> saying there were two controller chips in the 1542CF (national and > broken > >> Intel) and I discovered I had a broken Intel one. > >> > >> I may have cussed. > >> > >> Typically all the AHA-1522s are in the US, sigh. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> — > >> Adrian/Witchy > >> Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > >> w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs > >> f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > >> > >> > > > > > -- > --Chuck > > Sent from my digital computer >
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
Will, I wasn't aware the CW MK4+ had a legacy floppy controller on it (i.e. ports 3fx, DMA 2, IRQ 6 setup with NEC 765 command set). The CWs that I have (a MK3 and a MK1) are all sui generis devices not supported by off-the-shelf software. In particularly, I don't think they'll work with, say, IMD, or AnaDisk. --Chuck On 01/18/2018 01:17 PM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: > Does someone have results for the Siliconsonic / Individual computers > Catweasel MK4 plus? IF not I will put that on my list of to-do's. > > I added a link to this onto my web site in the links section and the > archiving info thread. > > Bill > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >>> On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:46, systems_glitch via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >>> >>> I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since >>> apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry >> into >>> my site: >>> >>> https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results >> >> Gh, talk about the wrong timing for this XD. I say this because I just >> bought an AHA-1524CF on various folk’s recommendations (not from here) a >> couple of weeks ago only to find I still couldn’t really manipulate SSSD >> images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from our own Chuck Guzis >> saying there were two controller chips in the 1542CF (national and broken >> Intel) and I discovered I had a broken Intel one. >> >> I may have cussed. >> >> Typically all the AHA-1522s are in the US, sigh. >> >> Cheers, >> >> — >> Adrian/Witchy >> Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards >> w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs >> f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs >> >> > -- --Chuck Sent from my digital computer
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
Does someone have results for the Siliconsonic / Individual computers Catweasel MK4 plus? IF not I will put that on my list of to-do's. I added a link to this onto my web site in the links section and the archiving info thread. Bill On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:46, systems_glitch via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since > > apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry > into > > my site: > > > > https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results > > Gh, talk about the wrong timing for this XD. I say this because I just > bought an AHA-1524CF on various folk’s recommendations (not from here) a > couple of weeks ago only to find I still couldn’t really manipulate SSSD > images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from our own Chuck Guzis > saying there were two controller chips in the 1542CF (national and broken > Intel) and I discovered I had a broken Intel one. > > I may have cussed. > > Typically all the AHA-1522s are in the US, sigh. > > Cheers, > > — > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards > w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs > f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs > >
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
> On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:46, systems_glitch via cctalk > wrote: > > I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since > apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry into > my site: > > https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results Gh, talk about the wrong timing for this XD. I say this because I just bought an AHA-1524CF on various folk’s recommendations (not from here) a couple of weeks ago only to find I still couldn’t really manipulate SSSD images then tonight I read a message on VCFED from our own Chuck Guzis saying there were two controller chips in the 1542CF (national and broken Intel) and I discovered I had a broken Intel one. I may have cussed. Typically all the AHA-1522s are in the US, sigh. Cheers, — Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
Re: New TestFDC Results Registry
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:46 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote: > I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since > apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry into > my site: > > https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results Thank you for doing this! It's a valuable resource for us disk-imagers and really needed an update. Maybe we can find other "full pass" cards and I can stop hoarding Adaptec 1522s :) -j
New TestFDC Results Registry
I'd been trying to reach Dave Dunfield with new TestFDC results since apparently August with no results. So, I wrote a new TestFDC registry into my site: https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results This registry currently includes Dave's last registry update from 2007. There's now a form for entering your results, you can find it as a link from the registry, or here: https://services.theglitchworks.net/ng/testfdc_results/new Result submissions have to be manually approved currently so that the registry doesn't get spammed. Text export forthcoming. Any suggestions welcome! Moderators, if someone wants to sticky this (here or in other forums), I think this would be a valuable resource for anyone wanting to use ImageDisk on non-PC formats. Thanks, Jonathan