RE: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> > A couple of years ago I bought the UK-branded equivalent of the Zhongdi ZD- > 915 desoldering station and I can quite honestly say it’s the best thing I’ve > bought for this hobby/obsession. To anyone struggling with solder wick and > manual pumps it’s worth far more in saved time than

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 11:26 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 6:52 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 07/13/2017 11:02 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to derive the

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-14 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 13 Jul 2017, at 22:46, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM, William Sudbrink via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> If you have the bucks, go for a Pace station with an SX-100 desoldering >> tool. 40 pin chips >> fall out

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 7/13/2017 6:52 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 07/13/2017 11:02 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to derive the vacuum, rather than having an internal pump. I've never

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 11:02 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to derive the vacuum, rather than having an internal pump. I've never used them as I don't normally have an air compressor

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
On 2017-07-13 9:26 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: 14-in-1-Welding-Torch-Nozzle-Tip-Cleaner-Cutting-Reamer-Kit-For-Welder-Soldering/ http://www.ebay.com/itm/322411677190 The seller is showing the same sort of kit we used with the DS-100. However I don't know what it has to do with a

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 7/13/2017 4:50 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: That was my experience with Weller and Pace, they clogged way too fast and you had to wait for the glass to cool to clean them. There was a toolkit that Weller supplied with very high temp probes. They cleared the head. you only

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 03:32 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > There were off brand tips. made 100% of the difference. We got some of > the ones from non Weller sources and they were just not workable. These weren't--I'm still working on my grocery bag full-o-tips that I picked up for pennies on the

RE: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
> That was my experience with Weller and Pace, they clogged way too > fast and you had to wait for the glass to cool to clean them. That's part of the "beauty" of the SX-100 (90 and I think 80 as well), they have disposable cardboard traps. The 100 series tips have also been redesigned. I have

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/13/17 10:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > It was horrible--the tip would never stay tinned, the glass collector > and hose was always in the way (that glass gets *hot*) and the action > wasn't that good. That was my experience with Weller and Pace, they clogged way too fast and you

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
There were off brand tips. made 100% of the difference. We got some of the ones from non Weller sources and they were just not workable. Also your Soldapullit alternative worked in about 1 in 10 uses for me. I suspect the boards I had had different heat characteristics, and I'd usually end

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM, William Sudbrink via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > If you have the bucks, go for a Pace station with an SX-100 desoldering > tool. 40 pin chips > fall out like they were never soldered in the first place. > That's my experience with the Hakko

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017, Peter Cetinski wrote: On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: I used a Pace rework station in the USAF, vacuum desoldering and hot air - very nice, but pricey. Wow, where were you stationed? In the late 1980s I was at

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
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Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > > I used a Pace rework station in the USAF, vacuum desoldering and hot air - > very nice, but pricey. > Wow, where were you stationed? In the late 1980s I was at Beale AFB working on SR-71 cameras and we

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote: I've heard the Pace stations are *very* good. Never personally used one, they're above what I was willing to spend, even used! Thanks, Jonathan I used a Pace rework station in the USAF, vacuum desoldering and hot air - very nice, but

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 07/13/2017 09:02 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: >> There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to >> derive the vacuum, rather than having an internal pump. I've never >> used them as I don't normally have an air

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
I've heard the Pace stations are *very* good. Never personally used one, they're above what I was willing to spend, even used! Thanks, Jonathan On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:42 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The 808 is nice, I have one. They come up used on ebay

RE: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
The 808 is nice, I have one. They come up used on ebay from time to time relatively cheap. But I've been spoiled now. If you have the bucks, go for a Pace station with an SX-100 desoldering tool. 40 pin chips fall out like they were never soldered in the first place. I removed five S-100

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Watch out with using compressed gas duster (*not* canned air) on anything hot. It can decompose into pretty horrible compounds, among them (depending on duster type) phosgene gas and/or hydrogen fluoride. The current batch I've got is difluroethane and will decompose HF gas (which of course

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 7/13/2017 12:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: There are also vacuum desoldering stations that use "shop air" to derive the vacuum, rather than having an internal pump. I've never used them as I don't normally have an air compressor anywhere near my electronics workbench. This works very

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Robert via cctalk
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > 2) vacuum desoldering gun: lots of people liked the Hakko 808, but it's > discontiued. The Hakko FR-300 looks like a reasonable replacement, and sells > for around $310. The drawback compared to the vacuum desoldering

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Another vote for the Hakko 472D. You can pick them up cheaply as used equipment. Do note that if you prefer the gun style handle over the pencil style, you can interchange them. If you have shop air, there's an even cheaper Hakko 470B -- I've heard it's a better/more effective pump than the 472D's

Re: Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 3:31 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk > wrote: > > > 2) vacuum desoldering gun: lots of people liked the Hakko 808, but it's > discontiued. The Hakko FR-300 looks like a reasonable replacement, and > sells for around $310. The drawback compared to the

Through-hole desoldering (was Re: IBM 5110 - Where does the character set live? And other questions.)

2017-07-13 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Robert via cctalk wrote: > Side note: It's probably not a good time to try out my shiny new heat > gun that I've never yet used. Maybe save my first go on it for > something more replaceable. > A heat gun is definitely NOT the right tool