RE: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
Al Kossow wrote: > Cleaning the Hakko is SO much easier than a > Pace (there is no glass to burn your > fingers on). The newer Pace desoldering tools (SX-90, SX-100) are much better, both in cleaning (disposable traps) and usage (the tips simply don't block at all). Bill S. --- This email has b

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have a 605. I tend to use solder wick though, it has been a while since I needed a powered sucker. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:40 AM systems_glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Another Hakko 472D owner here. Got mine in pieces as used/nonworking. > They're easy to rebuild. I've u

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-14 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
Another Hakko 472D owner here. Got mine in pieces as used/nonworking. They're easy to rebuild. I've used the 808s at workshops/friends' places, there's no comparison IMO. I use the "pencil" style handpiece, we had the "gun" style at a previous job, I definitely like the "pencil" style better. Than

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Ed C. via cctalk
I have the combo unit including solder. I do not have any other experience with any high-end ware but I can say that this unit does all I need and does it well. On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 7:17 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 11/13/18 7:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk w

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
All this yammering about fancy desoldering gizmos harkens back memories of a "desoldering station" consisting of a hot soldering iron ... made of a hefty amount of copper (the kind you put in a pit of fire to heat up!) and a long, skinny screwdriver, or two, used to _very_ gently pry up ICs from ea

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I believe that a mini version of the VAX 9000 consisting of the main CPU rack can be set up for display, plus photos / posters of a full setup in the background. Add a terminal or two and we can demo the 9000 without breaking the bank. I did not check but even a few drives would suffice to demo t

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
Amazing rescue! Hope nothing breaks. On 11/8/18, 3:55 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Evan Koblentz via cctalk" wrote: The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning to unload

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
That is a behemoth!! Did you ger that huge powerforming thingy that goes with it? I'm told that we got * everything *. Are you crazy enough to atempt a power-up? Yes.

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
The question is probably, could they afford the power bill? We have a bunch of Crays and CDCs at the Computer History Museum, and if they were operational, we'd probably have to take up a special very-large-hat-passing collection http://vcfed.org/wp/contribute/ :)

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
Amazing rescue! Hope nothing breaks. Right now I'm just happy no * people * broke when it was delivered! Unloading it from two 28-foot trailers required five people, two pallet jacks, and a forklift.

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/13/18 7:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > Instead, I use two pencil-type irons, one in each hand, working under > a stereo microscope. The tips are much better, and manipulating each > tip independently provides great control of what's going on. Only > drawback is that if you want to

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-13 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
What a majestic system! When I saw the teaser picture of the backs of racks on Twitter, I was assuming something in the 11/78x series. I don't know anything about the 9440 yet, so it'll be fun to read up on that. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-13 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
On the topic of desoldering tweezers: I don't like them. I've done tons of rework of components down to 0201 size. I consider 0201 to be difficult, but I found that once I could work on 0201 components at all, 0402 suddenly seemed easy to work with! Anyway, the tweezers I've used had poor tip a

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/12/2018 08:34 AM, Ethan via cctalk wrote: Some people are satisfied with the handheld vacuum desoldering irons, like the Hakko 808 (now replaced by Hakko FR-301). They're OK for some small I love my 808. Have used it heavily to re-cap arcade monitor chassis (15+) and all kinds of othe

desoldering (was Re: VAX 9440)

2018-11-12 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 11/12/18 7:24 AM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: > Hot air setup is the next thing. > I was doing some board repair this weekend, and used a mix of Hakko 472 vacuum and hot air equipment. I was having trouble clearing the holes completely with the Hakko so I heated the board with a 1" hot air no

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-12 Thread W2HX via cctalk
plus one for the hakko 808. Love it! Never leave home without it! From: cctalk on behalf of Ethan via cctalk Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:34 AM To: Eric Smith; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: VAX 9440 > > Some

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-12 Thread Ethan via cctalk
Some people are satisfied with the handheld vacuum desoldering irons, like the Hakko 808 (now replaced by Hakko FR-301). They're OK for some small I love my 808. Have used it heavily to re-cap arcade monitor chassis (15+) and all kinds of other circuit boards. Of course it doesn't work well wh

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-11 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:55 AM Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > It's one thing to replace discrete transistors in our IBM > 1401, but, it's quite another to desolder and yank various little black > rectangles off extremely dense circuit boards without destroying anything > else ... and then solder

RE: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
Sent: 10 November 2018 18:25 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: VAX 9440 > > LCM has successfully restored and is running multiple large vintage systems. > Not easy, but doable. > > Lee C. > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:55 AM Jim

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Lee Courtney via cctalk
, 2018 at 3:26 AM Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > That is a behemoth!! > > > > Did you ger that huge powerforming thingy that goes > > with it? > > > > Are you crazy enough to atempt a power-up? > > > > /P

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Jim Manley via cctalk
Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 09:55:07PM -0500, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote: > > The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. > > > > It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver > > beginning to unload the first truck: > > > > > https:

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-10 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
That is a behemoth!! Did you ger that huge powerforming thingy that goes with it? Are you crazy enough to atempt a power-up? /P On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 09:55:07PM -0500, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote: > The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. > > It arrived in two 28-foot

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-08 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. >> >> It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning >> to unload the first truck: >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-Q5xrsYXyj

Re: VAX 9440

2018-11-08 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
Hi Evan, Beautiful catch! Congrats to everyone. Paul On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:09 AM Evan Koblentz via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. > > It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning &

VAX 9440

2018-11-07 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
The VCF museum took delivery of a VAX 9440 today. It arrived in two 28-foot trailers. Here's our forklift driver beginning to unload the first truck: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-Q5xrsYXyjrZEZh92xIBhlStvvNUcRV/view?usp=sharing Here's a teaser picture of the main cabin