Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 5/4/20 6:17 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk wrote:
> The tape interface I have for my UNIX PC is indeed a floppy tape interface,
> says "FTAPE" near the connector on the outside. I haven't paired a drive
> with it yet.

Easy enough to tell without opening things up.  The Cipher 525 is a
full-height drive; cartridges are inserted and locked in by a lever
located just below (or above) the tape slot, that, when a cart is loaded
obstructs the tape cart access by requiring a quarter-turn from being
horizontal to vertical.

It's the only floppytape drive that I'm aware of that works this way.

--Chuck

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[systems_glitch via cctalk]

The tape interface I have for my UNIX PC is indeed a floppy tape interface,
says "FTAPE" near the connector on the outside. I haven't paired a drive
with it yet.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 1:16 PM emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 2020-05-02 11:32, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > On 5/2/20 6:21 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
> >> at unix pc (68000 based).
> >> Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
> >> other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at
> at?
> >
> > Depends which version of the 3B2 you have.
>
> Sorry, I should have been a "little" more precise.
> the 3b1, and the tapes look like QIC cartriges ...
>

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

On 2020-05-02 11:32, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 5/2/20 6:21 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
>> at unix pc (68000 based).
>> Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
>> other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at at?
> 
> Depends which version of the 3B2 you have.

Sorry, I should have been a "little" more precise.
the 3b1, and the tapes look like QIC cartriges ...

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 5/2/20 8:52 AM, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote:

> I think a UNIX PC is a 3B1, not a 3B2.
> 

Yes, the 7300/3B1 was officially the "Unix PC".  My point was that the
3B2 notes say that particular system used the Cipher 525 floppytape and
was 23 MB capacity.   This agrees with what I know about the 7300 tape
drive--it required one to format a tape and was also 23 MB capacity.

I think it's reasonable to suppose that the 7300 also used the Cipher
floppytape drive.

I was speculating that it might also have been possible to interface to
a SCSI or QIC-02 tape drive.

Jon, I've "lost" my car in shopping mall parking lots, but how does one
"lose" a CDC Keystone drive?  :)

--Chuck

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 05/02/2020 08:21 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:

Hi,
during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
at unix pc (68000 based).
Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at at?

Cheers & thanks!

A lot of AT systems used a CDC Keystone drive, if you are 
talking about 1/2" tape reels.
The Laser Magnetic Storage 92181 is an 800/1600 streaming 
drive, the 92185 is a 1600/6250
drive.  These could be had with formatted Pertec Interface 
or SCSI. There were lots of these

drives made.

Jon

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[Patrick Finnegan via cctalk]

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 11:32 Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 5/2/20 6:21 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
> > Hi,
> > during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
> > at unix pc (68000 based).
> > Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
> > other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at
> at?
>
> Depends which version of the 3B2 you have.
>

I think a UNIX PC is a 3B1, not a 3B2.

Patrick Finnegan

>

Re: At Unix PC, Tape drive

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 5/2/20 6:21 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
> Hi,
> during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
> at unix pc (68000 based).
> Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
> other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at at?

Depends which version of the 3B2 you have.

See: http://www.unixwiz.net/3b2/tapedrives.html

--Chuck

At Unix PC, Tape drive

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

Hi,
during my move, I think I lost my tape drive, which was attached to my
at unix pc (68000 based).
Anybody knows of the top of their head, if I could read the tapes on any
other machine? Was it anything "standard", or did they do their own at at?

Cheers & thanks!

Re: Two AT Unix PC/3B1/7300 systems available - claimed

[David Williams via cctalk]

Just want to let everyone know both Unix PCs have been claimed.

Best regards,
David

On 2019-06-18 14:06, David Williams via cctalk wrote:

Sorry for the brain fart, just so much going on that I forgot to
mention that these are located in Houston, TX.

Best regards,
David Williams

On 2019-06-18 13:10, David Williams via cctalk wrote:

I have two AT Unix PCs that I am offering up to interested parties
as described below:

1) AT Unix PC with the standard 67 MB HDD, this is the base system
and three button mouse. The right arrow key on the keyboard is broken
but the key cap is still included. This unit is also missing the
keyboard cable though I should have it around somewhere and so it
might turn up at some point at which time I'd send it along. It has
been several years since this was last powered on and I don't recall
if there are any passwords or what they might be so you may have to
hack your way into the system. Had UNIX System V installed but don't
recall what other software may be installed as well. Sold as is.

2) AT Unix PC. This unit comes in the original box, with keyboard
and mouse and the following documentation:
   a) AT Unix PC Owner's Manual
   b) AT Unix PC Getting Started Manual
   c) AT Unix System V Utilities Manual
   d) AT Unix PC Communications Management Manual
   e) AT Unit PC System Software
As with the above system, it has been a while since it was last
powered up and I don't recall if there were any passwords or what so
may need to hack into the OS. Also not sure what software was
installed besides the OS. Sold as is.

I believe I may have some more documentation around but haven't
located it yet, if I do discover it I will offer to send it along to
anyone who picks up these systems.

If you need any other info please let me know and I'll send it along.
Will entertain any offers at all and prefer local pickup but I am fine
with packing and shipping if you pay for it.

I'm offering them up to the list first though if there isn't any
interest here will possibly offer on eBay or if someone knows other
good places to list systems please let me know. Would like to move
them out. Will also have several other systems for sale/trade/haul
away very soon as I am clearing out a lot of stuff.

Best regards,
David Williams

Re: Two AT Unix PC/3B1/7300 systems available

[Ryan Eisworth via cctalk]

Hi David,

I'm in the Houston area, and would *love* to get these! I have been searching 
for a 3B1 for a long time.

Best regards,
Ryan

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:06 PM, David Williams via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the brain fart, just so much going on that I forgot to mention that 
> these are located in Houston, TX.
> 
> Best regards,
> David Williams
> 
> On 2019-06-18 13:10, David Williams via cctalk wrote:
>> I have two AT Unix PCs that I am offering up to interested parties
>> as described below:
>> 1) AT Unix PC with the standard 67 MB HDD, this is the base system
>> and three button mouse. The right arrow key on the keyboard is broken
>> but the key cap is still included. This unit is also missing the
>> keyboard cable though I should have it around somewhere and so it
>> might turn up at some point at which time I'd send it along. It has
>> been several years since this was last powered on and I don't recall
>> if there are any passwords or what they might be so you may have to
>> hack your way into the system. Had UNIX System V installed but don't
>> recall what other software may be installed as well. Sold as is.
>> 2) AT Unix PC. This unit comes in the original box, with keyboard
>> and mouse and the following documentation:
>>   a) AT Unix PC Owner's Manual
>>   b) AT Unix PC Getting Started Manual
>>   c) AT Unix System V Utilities Manual
>>   d) AT Unix PC Communications Management Manual
>>   e) AT Unit PC System Software
>> As with the above system, it has been a while since it was last
>> powered up and I don't recall if there were any passwords or what so
>> may need to hack into the OS. Also not sure what software was
>> installed besides the OS. Sold as is.
>> I believe I may have some more documentation around but haven't
>> located it yet, if I do discover it I will offer to send it along to
>> anyone who picks up these systems.
>> If you need any other info please let me know and I'll send it along.
>> Will entertain any offers at all and prefer local pickup but I am fine
>> with packing and shipping if you pay for it.
>> I'm offering them up to the list first though if there isn't any
>> interest here will possibly offer on eBay or if someone knows other
>> good places to list systems please let me know. Would like to move
>> them out. Will also have several other systems for sale/trade/haul
>> away very soon as I am clearing out a lot of stuff.
>> Best regards,
>> David Williams

Re: Two AT Unix PC/3B1/7300 systems available

[David Williams via cctalk]

Sorry for the brain fart, just so much going on that I forgot to mention 
that these are located in Houston, TX.


Best regards,
David Williams

On 2019-06-18 13:10, David Williams via cctalk wrote:

I have two AT Unix PCs that I am offering up to interested parties
as described below:

1) AT Unix PC with the standard 67 MB HDD, this is the base system
and three button mouse. The right arrow key on the keyboard is broken
but the key cap is still included. This unit is also missing the
keyboard cable though I should have it around somewhere and so it
might turn up at some point at which time I'd send it along. It has
been several years since this was last powered on and I don't recall
if there are any passwords or what they might be so you may have to
hack your way into the system. Had UNIX System V installed but don't
recall what other software may be installed as well. Sold as is.

2) AT Unix PC. This unit comes in the original box, with keyboard
and mouse and the following documentation:
   a) AT Unix PC Owner's Manual
   b) AT Unix PC Getting Started Manual
   c) AT Unix System V Utilities Manual
   d) AT Unix PC Communications Management Manual
   e) AT Unit PC System Software
As with the above system, it has been a while since it was last
powered up and I don't recall if there were any passwords or what so
may need to hack into the OS. Also not sure what software was
installed besides the OS. Sold as is.

I believe I may have some more documentation around but haven't
located it yet, if I do discover it I will offer to send it along to
anyone who picks up these systems.

If you need any other info please let me know and I'll send it along.
Will entertain any offers at all and prefer local pickup but I am fine
with packing and shipping if you pay for it.

I'm offering them up to the list first though if there isn't any
interest here will possibly offer on eBay or if someone knows other
good places to list systems please let me know. Would like to move
them out. Will also have several other systems for sale/trade/haul
away very soon as I am clearing out a lot of stuff.

Best regards,
David Williams

Re: Two AT Unix PC/3B1/7300 systems available

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

where are you?  I am interested if you're near to Philadelphia --
Washington DC corridor
Bill Deg

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM David Williams via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have two AT Unix PCs that I am offering up to interested parties as
> described below:
>
> 1) AT Unix PC with the standard 67 MB HDD, this is the base system and
> three button mouse. The right arrow key on the keyboard is broken but
> the key cap is still included. This unit is also missing the keyboard
> cable though I should have it around somewhere and so it might turn up
> at some point at which time I'd send it along. It has been several years
> since this was last powered on and I don't recall if there are any
> passwords or what they might be so you may have to hack your way into
> the system. Had UNIX System V installed but don't recall what other
> software may be installed as well. Sold as is.
>
> 2) AT Unix PC. This unit comes in the original box, with keyboard and
> mouse and the following documentation:
> a) AT Unix PC Owner's Manual
> b) AT Unix PC Getting Started Manual
> c) AT Unix System V Utilities Manual
> d) AT Unix PC Communications Management Manual
> e) AT Unit PC System Software
> As with the above system, it has been a while since it was last powered
> up and I don't recall if there were any passwords or what so may need to
> hack into the OS. Also not sure what software was installed besides the
> OS. Sold as is.
>
> I believe I may have some more documentation around but haven't located
> it yet, if I do discover it I will offer to send it along to anyone who
> picks up these systems.
>
> If you need any other info please let me know and I'll send it along.
> Will entertain any offers at all and prefer local pickup but I am fine
> with packing and shipping if you pay for it.
>
> I'm offering them up to the list first though if there isn't any
> interest here will possibly offer on eBay or if someone knows other good
> places to list systems please let me know. Would like to move them out.
> Will also have several other systems for sale/trade/haul away very soon
> as I am clearing out a lot of stuff.
>
> Best regards,
> David Williams
>

Two AT Unix PC/3B1/7300 systems available

[David Williams via cctalk]

I have two AT Unix PCs that I am offering up to interested parties as 
described below:


1) AT Unix PC with the standard 67 MB HDD, this is the base system and 
three button mouse. The right arrow key on the keyboard is broken but 
the key cap is still included. This unit is also missing the keyboard 
cable though I should have it around somewhere and so it might turn up 
at some point at which time I'd send it along. It has been several years 
since this was last powered on and I don't recall if there are any 
passwords or what they might be so you may have to hack your way into 
the system. Had UNIX System V installed but don't recall what other 
software may be installed as well. Sold as is.


2) AT Unix PC. This unit comes in the original box, with keyboard and 
mouse and the following documentation:

   a) AT Unix PC Owner's Manual
   b) AT Unix PC Getting Started Manual
   c) AT Unix System V Utilities Manual
   d) AT Unix PC Communications Management Manual
   e) AT Unit PC System Software
As with the above system, it has been a while since it was last powered 
up and I don't recall if there were any passwords or what so may need to 
hack into the OS. Also not sure what software was installed besides the 
OS. Sold as is.


I believe I may have some more documentation around but haven't located 
it yet, if I do discover it I will offer to send it along to anyone who 
picks up these systems.


If you need any other info please let me know and I'll send it along. 
Will entertain any offers at all and prefer local pickup but I am fine 
with packing and shipping if you pay for it.


I'm offering them up to the list first though if there isn't any 
interest here will possibly offer on eBay or if someone knows other good 
places to list systems please let me know. Would like to move them out. 
Will also have several other systems for sale/trade/haul away very soon 
as I am clearing out a lot of stuff.


Best regards,
David Williams

Re: Unix-PC

[Philip Pemberton via cctalk]

On 25/03/18 00:39, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 03/24/2018 07:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk 
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
> 
> 
> The Unix-PC has found a new home in the hands of someone
> I am sure will enjoy and appreciate it.  I would expect him to
> show up here sometime with questions as he tries to revive
> it.  I tried booting it and while it booted fine from the diagnostic
> floppy and things like memory and CPU tested OK it won't boot
> off the hard disk which means either the hard disk has died
> (a possibility considering its age) or could just be bit rot.  In
> any event, he got all the floppies that went with it.  Who knows,
> might show up at VCF-East some day.
> 
> At least it has MFM hard drives, which means that it can use the MFM emulator 
> to have near infinite storage (sadly, only ~64MB at a time due to limitations 
> in the controller, it seems).
> 
> I wondered about that.  I heard someone was working on one but I never saw it.
> Got any pointers?  70M is the limit I think.  has something to do with the 
> registers
> in the controller.  But I seem to remember a mod to let it use two disks. 
> That would
> make it 140M.

That'd be the P5.1 Mod.

> This one has 1 Meg.  Amount isn't the problem, finding the expansion boards 
> is.  They
> were rare in its heyday and probably unobtanium today.
> 
> As for something more modern, I always thought it would be an improvement if 
> it ran
> BSD.  Even with only one meg it should be able to run 2.11BSD if someone 
> could do a
> port.  Then you put NFS on and disk space is no longer a problem.  :-)

Good luck finding an Ethernet card! I don't like the sound of NFS over
SLIP... (which you'd need a Combo Card for)... or NFS over PPP at 1200
Baud thru the internal modem...


-- 
Phil.
classic...@philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Re: Unix-PC

[David Gesswein via cctalk]

> 
> At least it has MFM hard drives, which means that it can use the MFM 
> emulator to have near infinite storage (sadly, only ~64MB at a time due 
> to limitations in the controller, it seems).
> 
> I wondered about that.  I heard someone was working on one but I never 
> saw it. Got any pointers? 
>
http://www.pdp8online.com/mfm/. Thats mine and has link to the other unit
available. 

3b1 faq with info on disk sizes supported.
http://unixpc.taronga.com/faq/part2/faq.html

And our 3b1. 
http://www.pdp8online.com/shows/vcfe16/pics/P1090149.shtml
Emulator has been tested with it. Some videos online by other of them
using it with a 3b1.

Re: Unix-PC

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 03/24/2018 07:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote:


On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:


The Unix-PC has found a new home in the hands of someone
I am sure will enjoy and appreciate it.  I would expect him to
show up here sometime with questions as he tries to revive
it.  I tried booting it and while it booted fine from the diagnostic
floppy and things like memory and CPU tested OK it won't boot
off the hard disk which means either the hard disk has died
(a possibility considering its age) or could just be bit rot.  In
any event, he got all the floppies that went with it.  Who knows,
might show up at VCF-East some day.

At least it has MFM hard drives, which means that it can use the MFM emulator 
to have near infinite storage (sadly, only ~64MB at a time due to limitations 
in the controller, it seems).

I wondered about that.  I heard someone was working on one but I never saw it.
Got any pointers?  70M is the limit I think.  has something to do with the 
registers
in the controller.  But I seem to remember a mod to let it use two disks. That 
would
make it 140M.


It would be cool if it could run something more modern, but don't those boxes 
max at at 4MB or 8MB of RAM?


This one has 1 Meg.  Amount isn't the problem, finding the expansion boards is. 
 They
were rare in its heyday and probably unobtanium today.

As for something more modern, I always thought it would be an improvement if it 
ran
BSD.  Even with only one meg it should be able to run 2.11BSD if someone could 
do a
port.  Then you put NFS on and disk space is no longer a problem.  :-)

bill

Re: Unix-PC

[Warner Losh via cctalk]

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> The Unix-PC has found a new home in the hands of someone
> I am sure will enjoy and appreciate it.  I would expect him to
> show up here sometime with questions as he tries to revive
> it.  I tried booting it and while it booted fine from the diagnostic
> floppy and things like memory and CPU tested OK it won't boot
> off the hard disk which means either the hard disk has died
> (a possibility considering its age) or could just be bit rot.  In
> any event, he got all the floppies that went with it.  Who knows,
> might show up at VCF-East some day.
>

At least it has MFM hard drives, which means that it can use the MFM
emulator to have near infinite storage (sadly, only ~64MB at a time due to
limitations in the controller, it seems).

It would be cool if it could run something more modern, but don't those
boxes max at at 4MB or 8MB of RAM?

Warner

Re: Unix-PC

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

The Unix-PC has found a new home in the hands of someone
I am sure will enjoy and appreciate it.  I would expect him to
show up here sometime with questions as he tries to revive
it.  I tried booting it and while it booted fine from the diagnostic
floppy and things like memory and CPU tested OK it won't boot
off the hard disk which means either the hard disk has died
(a possibility considering its age) or could just be bit rot.  In
any event, he got all the floppies that went with it.  Who knows,
might show up at VCF-East some day.

bill

Re: Unix-PC

[Steven M Jones via cctalk]

On 03/23/2018 14:32, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
 
I will take it if no one else does, but where is it, missed this thread



Most recent reference I could find was May 2017:

http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2017-May/034691.html

Bill appears to be located near Scranton, PA. If I were within a couple 
hundred miles, I'd be writing to him instead of the list... ;)


Good luck,
--Steve.

Re: Unix-PC

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I will take it if no one else does, but where is it, missed this thread
B

On Mar 23, 2018 4:46 PM, "Bill Gunshannon via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
wrote:

>
> Well, I don't know what happened to everybody who wanted it
>
> but that Unix-PC is still sitting here and it needs to go.  One more
>
> offer before I scrap it.  Needs to be someone who can pick it up
>
> real soon.
>
>
> bill
>
>
>

Convergent AWS machines (formerly Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation)

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

Alan, my apologies for the confusion here.  The email subject still said
S/50, but I believe we had switched topics mid-thread.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:16 AM, dwight  wrote:

> Years ago, we used one of the Convergent machines. I recall playing rats
> on it. It had a green screen. It was a 8086 processor and had some
> Multibus slots in it.
>

I was replying to Dwight with a link to my AWS machine when Dominique
chipped in with the Burrows comment.

I believe that Dominique was referring to my AWS that I show at
http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technolog
ies-workstation.html

And I agree with you wholeheartedly on your points.  They look nothing
alike, and are based on totally different processors.

|Alan Perry via cctech 
|
|As I mentioned elsewhere, I worked on software for them at Burroughs
('86-'89). I
|picked up a bunch of B25 stuff in '03, but I could never find any software
for
|them. In retrospect, I wish that I has stashed away B25 (and B1000 (I was
one
|of the last people in the office supporting software onthe B1000)) stuff,
rather
|than return everything, when I left the company.
|
|alan

That's very cool that you worked on the software.  And, yes, Alan, agreed
about wishing to keep a few of them around...But, I may be able to get the
one that I have running soon.  I'll be working on it on and off this year.

I plan on trying trying to restore the Convergent CTOS on this, rather than
the Burroughs BTOS, at least at first anyway...

I'll keep you posted here on my progress on that.

Thanks, all!

Best,
-AJ



On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Alan Perry via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Are you sure?
>
> The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - http://www.computerhistory.org
> /collections/catalog/102662660 - and nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50.
> The B25 and subsequent models (which are often referred to as B20s) are
> modular systems that are box-shaped and got wider as "slices" were added.
> The B20s were x86-based and the 3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was
> 68k-based.
>
> alan
>
>
> On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
>
>> It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but
>> with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys
>>
>> Dominique
>>
>> On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?
>>>
>>> http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technolog
>>> ies-workstation.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


-

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Alan Perry via cctalk]

As I mentioned elsewhere, I worked on software for them at Burroughs 
('86-'89). I picked up a bunch of B25 stuff in '03, but I could never 
find any software for them. In retrospect, I wish that I has stashed 
away B25 (and B1000 (I was one of the last people in the office 
supporting software on the B1000)) stuff, rather than return everything, 
when I left the company.


alan

On 1/17/18 11:22 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
You're right, the machine I owned is the one I see from your link. The 
workstation you mentioned is in the same box but with a monitor and 
the location of the clips and led slightly different.
But I was not far ;-) I don't remember what kind of hardware was 
exactly in this machine. Shame on me, I got rid of it, it was the 
pre-internet era, I had no hope to repair and reinstall this machine, 
it would be different today: - /



On 17/01/2018 20:02, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:

Are you sure?

The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - 
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662660 - and 
nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50. The B25 and subsequent models 
(which are often referred to as B20s) are modular systems that are 
box-shaped and got wider as "slices" were added. The B20s were 
x86-based and the 3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was 68k-based.


alan


On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, 
but with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by 
Unisys


Dominique

On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html 

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Alan Perry via cctalk]

There is a link with a photo in my post that you replied to.

Here is another photo link -
https://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/images/d/db/Windowsbyte27_%28Burroughs_B20%29.png

Here is a link to a B25 type system -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/CTOS-B25.JPG/250px-CTOS-B25.JPG

My first job out of college was working at Burroughs on their mainframe-‘PC’ 
integration products.

alan 

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are there any better pictures around of the B20/21/22 ? If not, I think I 
> still have some brochures somewhere.
> 
> m
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Alan Perry via cctech" <cct...@classiccmp.org>
> To: <cct...@classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 
> 3B1 Unix Workstation
> 
> 
>> Are you sure?
>> 
>> The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - 
>> http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662660 - and 
>> nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50. The B25 and subsequent models (which 
>> are often referred to as B20s) are modular systems that are box-shaped 
>> and got wider as "slices" were added. The B20s were x86-based and the 
>> 3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was 68k-based.
>> 
>> alan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
>>> It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but 
>>> with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys
>>> 
>>> Dominique
>>> 
>>>> On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>>>> Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?
>>>> 
>>>> http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

Are there any better pictures around of the B20/21/22 ? If not, I think I still 
have some brochures somewhere.

m

- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Perry via cctech" <cct...@classiccmp.org>
To: <cct...@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 
3B1 Unix Workstation


> Are you sure?
> 
> The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - 
> http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662660 - and 
> nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50. The B25 and subsequent models (which 
> are often referred to as B20s) are modular systems that are box-shaped 
> and got wider as "slices" were added. The B20s were x86-based and the 
> 3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was 68k-based.
> 
> alan
> 
> 
> On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
>> It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but 
>> with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys
>>
>> Dominique
>>
>> On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>>> Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?
>>>
>>> http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

You're right, the machine I owned is the one I see from your link. The 
workstation you mentioned is in the same box but with a monitor and the 
location of the clips and led slightly different.
But I was not far ;-) I don't remember what kind of hardware was exactly 
in this machine. Shame on me, I got rid of it, it was the pre-internet 
era, I had no hope to repair and reinstall this machine, it would be 
different today: - /



On 17/01/2018 20:02, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:

Are you sure?

The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - 
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662660 - and 
nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50. The B25 and subsequent models (which 
are often referred to as B20s) are modular systems that are box-shaped 
and got wider as "slices" were added. The B20s were x86-based and the 
3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was 68k-based.


alan


On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but 
with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys


Dominique

On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html 

Re: AT UNIX PC 7300 (3b1) disassembly video

[Seth J. Morabito via cctalk]

AJ Palmgren via cctalk writes:

> While I'm thinking about it, for any/all who might be interested, just last
> week, I created a step-by-step video for disassembling a UNIX PC 7300 (with
> a few comments/comparisons for the 3b1)
>


Thanks for doing this. I've taken them apart maybe 5 or 6 times, but
with so much time spread between them that I always forget what a
colossal pain in the butt it is!

-Seth
--
Seth Morabito
https://loomcom.com/
w...@loomcom.com

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Alan Perry via cctalk]

Are you sure?

The B20, B21, B22 looked like this - 
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662660 - and 
nothing like the 3B1 or the S/50. The B25 and subsequent models (which 
are often referred to as B20s) are modular systems that are box-shaped 
and got wider as "slices" were added. The B20s were x86-based and the 
3B1 (and presumably the CT S/50) was 68k-based.


alan


On 1/17/18 2:41 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctech wrote:
It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but 
with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys


Dominique

On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html 

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

It's interesting, I had exactly the same machine a long time ago, but 
with a different label. It was a Burroughs B20 distributed by Unisys


Dominique

On 17/01/2018 06:45, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html

AT UNIX PC 7300 (3b1) disassembly video

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

While I'm thinking about it, for any/all who might be interested, just last
week, I created a step-by-step video for disassembling a UNIX PC 7300 (with
a few comments/comparisons for the 3b1)

https://youtu.be/vYKS-jOdcsQ

I've always found them tricky to work on with the way they are packed
together, so I hope this could help others who might want to take a crack
at a repair/restoration (or, heaven forbid...a "part-out")

-- 

Thanks,
AJ
http://MightyFrame.com

http://QICreader.com

http://UnixPC.blogspot.com

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

Thank you for this, Todd!  I believe I can help here, on all fronts.  I
have several 3b1s, both complete and in varying stages of assembly.  I'd be
glad to be the comparison on the hardware for sure.  I can even donate
parts (and/or a whole 3b1) if appropriate, and would gladly do so to see
that much rarer S/50 get running.

And as far as the disks documentation, I believe I can, and would
definitely like to help there as well, thank you for being open to that.  I
believe that the Dave Dunfield ImageDisk ".imd" files are what bitsavers.org
prefers for 5.25" floppy archive files (Al, Bear, please feel free to
correct me here...).  I have a setup ready to go for that.

To keep from clogging this list with the logistical minutiae, I'll reply
from my Convergent MightyFrame-email address to you directly, and let's see
what we can work out.

Thanks again!

-AJ

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:31 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net> wrote:

> Hi AJ,
>
> Thank you, I've been looking for 3b1s and 3b2s for a while.
>
> I plan to eventually be able to image the disks and scan the documentation.
>
> It will however take a while to get to that point.
>
> I'm open to loaning media and manuals to someone who can get that done
> quicker (I'm in southern NH.)
>
> I'm also happy to open up the machine and do what I can to help identify
> differences though I don't have a "regular" 3b1 to compare against myself
> (I'd love one and any 3b2s I could get my hands on as well.)
>
> You or anyone else should please feel free to stay in contact with me
> either on list or off.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Todd
>
> On 1/14/2018 9:05 PM, AJ Palmgren wrote:
>
> Todd, thanks so much for sharing, and I'm thrilled to know that a member
> of this community is where it's going.
>
> May I ask, what are your plans for archival of the included disks and
> manuals, if any?
>
> I'd also be quite curious to see if there are any internal circuit
> differences between that machine and a "regular AT 3b1.  If you ever open
> it up, I'd love to see/hear about that.
>
> I've put a fair amount of effort into preserving Convergent-branded OS and
> programs, particularly from this era, solely out of personal interest.
> Mostly for the MightyFrame, but my journey had to start with the AT UNIX
> PC first, as that had the larger "still available" user group for learning
> & support before I could revers-engineer how to get a MightyFrame to boot.
>
> Anyway, I would really love to see those software/manual sets be preserved
> in a bitsavers.org / archive.org fashion, and if there is anything that I
> might be able to do to assist in that effort, I'd love to volunteer.
>
> My site for preserving this area of Convergent software and equipment is
> at http://MightyFrame.com
>
> Please let me know how I might help, in any way.
>
> Thanks so much!
> -AJ
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi AJ (and list),
>>
>> I got that one.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.
>>>
>>> http://ebay.to/2DaRr13
>>>
>>> Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
>>> one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.
>>>
>>> And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just
>>> missed
>>> it.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a
>>> more
>>> expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival
>>> of
>>> the software that was included.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that
>>> has
>>> survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
>>> AT ones)!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -AJ
>>> http://MightyFrame.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
> AJ Palmgren
> http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
> http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/
>
>
>
>


-- 

Thanks,
AJ Palmgren
http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

Dwight, thanks for sharing all of this this!  Great memory, and fantastic
ingenuity, to say the least!

Did it happen to be one of these older-style Convergent AWS machines?

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/03/convergent-technologies-workstation.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:16 AM, dwight <dkel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Years ago, we used one of the Convergent machines. I recall playing rats
> on it. It had a green screen. It was a 8086 processor and had some Multibus
> slots in it.
>
> I recall the SA8000 hard disk. It would fail after 20 minutes or so. We
> sent is back to Shugart for warranty  repair with a complete description of
> how it needed to run for some time before it failed.
>
> They sent it back still broken. I when to Shugart with the drive and found
> out that they never even looked at the return sheet they had me fill out.
> They just replaced the drive belt tested it for 2 minutes and sent it back.
>
> I couldn't wait for them to not fix it again. I bought a replacement
> transistor for the stepper drive and fixed it my self.
>
> We used them because of the bus slots on the back. I made a DC servo
> controller to run an XY table.
>
> I had an early version of fig Forth running on it to debug my hardware.
>
> Dwight
>
>
> --
> *From:* cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of AJ Palmgren
> via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 14, 2018 6:05:55 PM
> *To:* Todd Goodman
> *Cc:* General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> *Subject:* Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC,
> AT 3B1 Unix Workstation
>
> Todd, thanks so much for sharing, and I'm thrilled to know that a member of
> this community is where it's going.
>
> May I ask, what are your plans for archival of the included disks and
> manuals, if any?
>
> I'd also be quite curious to see if there are any internal circuit
> differences between that machine and a "regular AT 3b1.  If you ever open
> it up, I'd love to see/hear about that.
>
> I've put a fair amount of effort into preserving Convergent-branded OS and
> programs, particularly from this era, solely out of personal interest.
> Mostly for the MightyFrame, but my journey had to start with the AT UNIX
> PC first, as that had the larger "still available" user group for learning
> & support before I could revers-engineer how to get a MightyFrame to boot.
>
> Anyway, I would really love to see those software/manual sets be preserved
> in a bitsavers.org / archive.org fashion, and if there is anything that I
> might be able to do to assist in that effort, I'd love to volunteer.
>
> My site for preserving this area of Convergent software and equipment is at
> http://MightyFrame.com
>
> Please let me know how I might help, in any way.
>
> Thanks so much!
> -AJ
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi AJ (and list),
> >
> > I got that one.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> > On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.
> >>
> >> http://ebay.to/2DaRr13
> >>
> >> Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
> >> one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.
> >>
> >> And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just
> missed
> >> it.
> >>
> >> I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a
> more
> >> expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival
> of
> >> the software that was included.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that
> has
> >> survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs
> the
> >> AT ones)!
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> -AJ
> >> http://MightyFrame.com
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
> AJ Palmgren
> http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
> http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/
>



-- 

Thanks,
AJ Palmgren
http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Todd Goodman via cctalk]

Hi AJ,

Thank you, I've been looking for 3b1s and 3b2s for a while.

I plan to eventually be able to image the disks and scan the documentation.

It will however take a while to get to that point.

I'm open to loaning media and manuals to someone who can get that done 
quicker (I'm in southern NH.)


I'm also happy to open up the machine and do what I can to help identify 
differences though I don't have a "regular" 3b1 to compare against 
myself (I'd love one and any 3b2s I could get my hands on as well.)


You or anyone else should please feel free to stay in contact with me 
either on list or off.


Thank you!

Todd


On 1/14/2018 9:05 PM, AJ Palmgren wrote:
Todd, thanks so much for sharing, and I'm thrilled to know that a 
member of this community is where it's going.


May I ask, what are your plans for archival of the included disks and 
manuals, if any?


I'd also be quite curious to see if there are any internal circuit 
differences between that machine and a "regular AT 3b1.  If you ever 
open it up, I'd love to see/hear about that.


I've put a fair amount of effort into preserving Convergent-branded OS 
and programs, particularly from this era, solely out of personal 
interest.  Mostly for the MightyFrame, but my journey had to start 
with the AT UNIX PC first, as that had the larger "still available" 
user group for learning & support before I could revers-engineer how 
to get a MightyFrame to boot.


Anyway, I would really love to see those software/manual sets be 
preserved in a bitsavers.org <http://bitsavers.org> / archive.org 
<http://archive.org> fashion, and if there is anything that I might be 
able to do to assist in that effort, I'd love to volunteer.


My site for preserving this area of Convergent software and equipment 
is at http://MightyFrame.com


Please let me know how I might help, in any way.

Thanks so much!
-AJ

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net 
<mailto:t...@bonedaddy.net>> wrote:


Hi AJ (and list),

I got that one.

Todd


On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought
this one.

http://ebay.to/2DaRr13

Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent
Technologies, this
one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.

And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but
just missed
it.

I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we
can do a more
expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an
archival of
the software that was included.

As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever
seen that has
survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and
manuals (vs the
AT ones)!

Thanks!

-AJ
http://MightyFrame.com





--

Thanks,
AJ Palmgren
http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[dwight via cctalk]

Years ago, we used one of the Convergent machines. I recall playing rats on it. 
It had a green screen. It was a 8086 processor and had some Multibus slots in 
it.

I recall the SA8000 hard disk. It would fail after 20 minutes or so. We sent is 
back to Shugart for warranty  repair with a complete description of how it 
needed to run for some time before it failed.

They sent it back still broken. I when to Shugart with the drive and found out 
that they never even looked at the return sheet they had me fill out. They just 
replaced the drive belt tested it for 2 minutes and sent it back.

I couldn't wait for them to not fix it again. I bought a replacement transistor 
for the stepper drive and fixed it my self.

We used them because of the bus slots on the back. I made a DC servo controller 
to run an XY table.

I had an early version of fig Forth running on it to debug my hardware.

Dwight



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of AJ Palmgren via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 6:05:55 PM
To: Todd Goodman
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 
3B1 Unix Workstation

Todd, thanks so much for sharing, and I'm thrilled to know that a member of
this community is where it's going.

May I ask, what are your plans for archival of the included disks and
manuals, if any?

I'd also be quite curious to see if there are any internal circuit
differences between that machine and a "regular AT 3b1.  If you ever open
it up, I'd love to see/hear about that.

I've put a fair amount of effort into preserving Convergent-branded OS and
programs, particularly from this era, solely out of personal interest.
Mostly for the MightyFrame, but my journey had to start with the AT UNIX
PC first, as that had the larger "still available" user group for learning
& support before I could revers-engineer how to get a MightyFrame to boot.

Anyway, I would really love to see those software/manual sets be preserved
in a bitsavers.org / archive.org fashion, and if there is anything that I
might be able to do to assist in that effort, I'd love to volunteer.

My site for preserving this area of Convergent software and equipment is at
http://MightyFrame.com

Please let me know how I might help, in any way.

Thanks so much!
-AJ

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net> wrote:

> Hi AJ (and list),
>
> I got that one.
>
> Todd
>
>
> On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.
>>
>> http://ebay.to/2DaRr13
>>
>> Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
>> one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.
>>
>> And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just missed
>> it.
>>
>> I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a more
>> expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival of
>> the software that was included.
>>
>> As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that has
>> survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
>> AT ones)!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -AJ
>> http://MightyFrame.com
>>
>
>


--

Thanks,
AJ Palmgren
http://fb.me/SelmaTrainWreck
http://SelmaTrainWreck.blogspot.com
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010931314283
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-palmgren-4a085516/

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

Todd, thanks so much for sharing, and I'm thrilled to know that a member of
this community is where it's going.

May I ask, what are your plans for archival of the included disks and
manuals, if any?

I'd also be quite curious to see if there are any internal circuit
differences between that machine and a "regular AT 3b1.  If you ever open
it up, I'd love to see/hear about that.

I've put a fair amount of effort into preserving Convergent-branded OS and
programs, particularly from this era, solely out of personal interest.
Mostly for the MightyFrame, but my journey had to start with the AT UNIX
PC first, as that had the larger "still available" user group for learning
& support before I could revers-engineer how to get a MightyFrame to boot.

Anyway, I would really love to see those software/manual sets be preserved
in a bitsavers.org / archive.org fashion, and if there is anything that I
might be able to do to assist in that effort, I'd love to volunteer.

My site for preserving this area of Convergent software and equipment is at
http://MightyFrame.com

Please let me know how I might help, in any way.

Thanks so much!
-AJ

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Todd Goodman <t...@bonedaddy.net> wrote:

> Hi AJ (and list),
>
> I got that one.
>
> Todd
>
>
> On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.
>>
>> http://ebay.to/2DaRr13
>>
>> Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
>> one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.
>>
>> And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just missed
>> it.
>>
>> I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a more
>> expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival of
>> the software that was included.
>>
>> As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that has
>> survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
>> AT ones)!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -AJ
>> http://MightyFrame.com
>>
>
>


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Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Todd Goodman via cctalk]

Hi AJ (and list),

I got that one.

Todd


On 1/13/2018 10:02 PM, AJ Palmgren via cctalk wrote:

I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.

http://ebay.to/2DaRr13

Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.

And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just missed
it.

I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a more
expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival of
the software that was included.

As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that has
survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
AT ones)!

Thanks!

-AJ
http://MightyFrame.com

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

Bill, you're talking about the seller, yes?

That's fantastic!  I totally missed the MiniFrame auction altogether.  A
completed listings lookup found it:  http://ebay.to/2DwNamo

I'm VERY glad that you have that!

Previous to you mentioning this, I've only been aware of one MiniFrame
(I've confirmed) in existence, and it looks like you have yet another, even
nicer one!

My page for my (now previous) MiniFrame archive:
http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2017/08/convergent-technologies-miniframe-found.html

I'll contact you directly for more details on this.  Fantastic!




On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk  wrote:

>
>
> On 1/13/18 7:06 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.
>
> no, but I bought his miniframe, which is very clean.
>
> I used my mfm emulator to image the disks, I haven't had time yet to see
> what condition
> the cartridge tapes are in or to compare the eproms with what has already
> been dumped
>
> he is local, and worked at convergent.
>
>
>
>


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Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 1/13/18 7:06 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

> I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.

no, but I bought his miniframe, which is very clean.

I used my mfm emulator to image the disks, I haven't had time yet to see what 
condition
the cartridge tapes are in or to compare the eproms with what has already been 
dumped

he is local, and worked at convergent.

Re: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

Notice it has an AT mouse!!

bill


From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of AJ Palmgren via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:02 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 
Unix Workstation

I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.

http://ebay.to/2DaRr13

Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.

And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just missed
it.

I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a more
expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival of
the software that was included.

As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that has
survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
AT ones)!

Thanks!

-AJ
http://MightyFrame.com

Sold on eBay: Convergent Technologies S/50 a.k.a. Unix PC, AT 3B1 Unix Workstation

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

I'm just wondering if anybody here did (or knows who) bought this one.

http://ebay.to/2DaRr13

Even though these were all manufactured by Convergent Technologies, this
one is actually BRANDED by Convergent, as their model S/50.

And there's software included here. I tried to buy myself, but just missed
it.

I'd really like to connect with the buyer here, to see if we can do a more
expansive documentation project on this machine, as well as an archival of
the software that was included.

As far as I know, this is the only Convergent S/50 I've ever seen that has
survived, especially with all the CONVERGENT software and manuals (vs the
AT ones)!

Thanks!

-AJ
http://MightyFrame.com

Re: at unix pc

[AJ Palmgren via cctalk]

I do as well.  I both use them AND collect them.  I have about 6, and
regularly take them to vintage computing expos.

I'd be glad to take some parts off your hands at my own expense.  There's
someone over at comp.sys.3b1 asking for some as well:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.3b1/4mQhU5D0FAo

If anyone's interested,

My online information for them is not very organized at the moment, mostly
scattered.

For what value there might be, please see my pages at

http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/p/at-7300-unix-pc-3b1.html

and

http://unixpc.blogspot.com

And I HIGHLY recommend reviewing messages at comp.sys.3b1.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.sys.3b1

DoN Nichols is the "oracle of the Unix PC" there.  He knows more than most
people on these machines that I've ever talked to.

Best everyone...
-AJ





On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 6:39 PM, william degnan via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=42=4
>
> Bill Degnan
> twitter: billdeg
> vintagecomputer.net
> On Aug 27, 2017 7:04 PM, "emanuel stiebler via cctech" <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > anybody still uses them, collects them?
> >
> > I have to move, so I'm trying to thin out my collection of
> > those ...
> >
> > If you like one, looking for documentation, etc. drop me an email please.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>



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Re: at unix pc

[william degnan via cctalk]

http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=42=4

Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net
On Aug 27, 2017 7:04 PM, "emanuel stiebler via cctech" <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> anybody still uses them, collects them?
>
> I have to move, so I'm trying to thin out my collection of
> those ...
>
> If you like one, looking for documentation, etc. drop me an email please.
>
> Cheers
>

Re: at unix pc

[Todd Goodman via cctalk]

Hi,

I like them and have been looking for one for a while to pick up.

If you're looking to sell one and accessories then I'd love to purchase!

I'm in the US.

Thank you!

Todd


On 8/27/2017 3:29 PM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:

anybody still uses them, collects them?

I have to move, so I'm trying to thin out my collection of
those ...

If you like one, looking for documentation, etc. drop me an email please.

Cheers

Re: at unix pc

[SPC via cctalk]

I am the owner of one in working condition and any kind of software and
complements would be appreciated, of course.

Kind Regards
Sergio

2017-08-27 21:29 GMT+02:00 emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:

> anybody still uses them, collects them?
>
> I have to move, so I'm trying to thin out my collection of
> those ...
>
> If you like one, looking for documentation, etc. drop me an email please.
>
> Cheers
>

at unix pc

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

anybody still uses them, collects them?

I have to move, so I'm trying to thin out my collection of
those ...

If you like one, looking for documentation, etc. drop me an email please.

Cheers

Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

Back when the Voice Power board for the 7300/3B1 UnixPC was of mainstream
interest, I spent some time trying to obtain specifications and programming
information regarding the Western Electric DSP20 chip it used. Unlike the
DSP16 and DSP32, WE (and AT Microelectronics) did not offer the chip for
sale, and the technical documentation was unobtanium.

Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Ian via cctalk]

Thanks Sellam. Still a cool product but I got all excited for a second thinking 
you had found the Unix PC cards. :)

Hopefully someone can put them to good use now that the addressable market is 
much larger...



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From: Sellam Ismail <sellam.ism...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:04:12 PM
To: Ian Finder
Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for 
Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

Forgive me, Ian is correct. I made some assumptions about these boards that I 
had from when I first acquired them: that they naturally worked in the AT 
Unix PCs.

It turns out they do in fact operate in a DOS environment. Here's a blurb about 
them from 1988:

https://books.google.com/books?id=5z4EMBAJ=PA27=PA27=at%26t+work+group+system+voice+power=bl=fsvhFQxsdY=KgEw4u1p_Ev8AyyYGNR-uYrtSDA=en=X=0ahUKEwjN7cyMkPrTAhUU-mMKHYQNCuEQ6AEIHzAB#v=onepage=at%26t%20work%20group%20system%20voice%20power=false

Thanks for the correction, Ian.

Sellam

On May 18, 2017 11:56 AM, "Ian Finder" 
<ian.fin...@gmail.com<mailto:ian.fin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do not buy these expecting the UnixPC product, like Sellam has specified. They 
are for a 386 intel/isa machine.

Also in the title, which is confusing, Sellam has also written 6300, which is 
an AT 8086 PC clone that MAY have ISA and is not a UnixPC. It will *also* not 
support this card as a 386 is required.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Ian Finder 
<ian.fin...@gmail.com<mailto:ian.fin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
These are clearly for a PC. It's an ISA card and says "386" on it.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Sellam Ismail via cctalk 
<cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
I have two of these available for sale. Details here:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57816-AT-amp-T-Work-Group-System-Voice-Power-voice-processing-boards-for-Unix-PC-6300-7300=461052#post461052

Thanks!

Sellam



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Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Sellam Ismail via cctalk]

Forgive me, Ian is correct. I made some assumptions about these boards that
I had from when I first acquired them: that they naturally worked in the
AT Unix PCs.

It turns out they do in fact operate in a DOS environment. Here's a blurb
about them from 1988:

https://books.google.com/books?id=5z4EMBAJ=PA27=PA27=at%26t+work+group+system+voice+power=bl=fsvhFQxsdY=KgEw4u1p_Ev8AyyYGNR-uYrtSDA=en=X=0ahUKEwjN7cyMkPrTAhUU-mMKHYQNCuEQ6AEIHzAB#v=onepage=at%26t%20work%20group%20system%20voice%20power=false

Thanks for the correction, Ian.

Sellam

On May 18, 2017 11:56 AM, "Ian Finder" <ian.fin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do not buy these expecting the UnixPC product, like Sellam has specified.
> They are for a 386 intel/isa machine.
>
> Also in the title, which is confusing, Sellam has also written 6300, which
> is an AT 8086 PC clone that MAY have ISA and is not a UnixPC. It will
> *also* not support this card as a 386 is required.
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Ian Finder <ian.fin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These are clearly for a PC. It's an ISA card and says "386" on it.
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Sellam Ismail via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have two of these available for sale. Details here:
>>>
>>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57816-AT-amp-T-Wor
>>> k-Group-System-Voice-Power-voice-processing-boards-for-Unix-
>>> PC-6300-7300=461052#post461052
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sellam
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>(206) 395-MIPS
>>ian.fin...@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
>Ian Finder
>(206) 395-MIPS
>ian.fin...@gmail.com
>

Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

Do not buy these expecting the UnixPC product, like Sellam has specified.
They are for a 386 intel/isa machine.

Also in the title, which is confusing, Sellam has also written 6300, which
is an AT 8086 PC clone that MAY have ISA and is not a UnixPC. It will
*also* not support this card as a 386 is required.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Ian Finder <ian.fin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are clearly for a PC. It's an ISA card and says "386" on it.
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Sellam Ismail via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> I have two of these available for sale. Details here:
>>
>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57816-AT-amp-T-Wor
>> k-Group-System-Voice-Power-voice-processing-boards-for-Unix-
>> PC-6300-7300=461052#post461052
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sellam
>>
>
>
>
> --
>Ian Finder
>(206) 395-MIPS
>ian.fin...@gmail.com
>



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Re: AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

These are clearly for a PC. It's an ISA card and says "386" on it.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Sellam Ismail via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have two of these available for sale. Details here:
>
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57816-AT-amp-T-
> Work-Group-System-Voice-Power-voice-processing-boards-for-
> Unix-PC-6300-7300=461052#post461052
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sellam
>



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AT Work Group System Voice Power voice processing boards for Unix PC 6300/7300 for sale

[Sellam Ismail via cctalk]

I have two of these available for sale. Details here:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57816-AT-amp-T-Work-Group-System-Voice-Power-voice-processing-boards-for-Unix-PC-6300-7300=461052#post461052

Thanks!

Sellam