Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread Paul Koning
On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:27 AM, P Gebhardt p.gebha...@ymail.com wrote: I remember encountering them mostly as replacements for the terrible 821 drives, which had the appearance of an 808, but substantially increased capacity. I don't think any 821s were ever installed at a customer's

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/09/2015 06:49 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Chuck, what (in this context) is a “MAC”? Multiple Access Controller--pretty much just a software-programmable switch. At one time, was strictly a QSE--we used them extensively on 4-Cyber configurations sharing 4MW of ECS and multiple peripherals.

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread P Gebhardt
I remember encountering them mostly as replacements for the terrible 821 drives, which had the appearance of an 808, but substantially increased capacity. I don't think any 821s were ever installed at a customer's site, however--I saw the lot of them that we had falling to the CE

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread William Donzelli
Wow, more than hundred of these CDC drives??? This must have been a massive installation! I didn't know so many disk drives could be combined with Cyber systems. Thanks for the insights! Pretty much any of the big mainframes of the day - IBM, Univac, CDC, Burroughs, and so forth - could deal

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: P Gebhardt p.gebha...@ymail.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:27 AM ... Wow, more than hundred of these CDC drives??? This must have been a massive installation! I didn't know so many disk drives could be combined with Cyber systems. Thanks for the

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-09 Thread Ken Seefried
During my mid- to late-80s tenure at Georgia Tech, we had 2 x Cyber 180/855, 2 x Cyber 180/830 and 1 x Cyber 180/990. I'll have to ask around for someone with better memory than me as to how many, but we had quite an ocean of disks. KJ

RE: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-05 Thread Dave G4UGM
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis Sent: 05 July 2015 04:14 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- Topic Posts Subject: Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-05 Thread Rod Smallwood
2015 04:14 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off- Topic Posts Subject: Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this? On 07/04/2015 08:07 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Note that that room is just for DD division machines - general computing services: data

CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-05 Thread P Gebhardt
I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out the Control Data logo. Chuck, I would have guessed these are 9756/9780 type of drives (100 and 200MB disk packs, respectively). But I just saw that the

Re: CDC disk drives (was Re: what IBM system is this?)

2015-07-05 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/05/2015 03:01 AM, P Gebhardt wrote: Chuck, I would have guessed these are 9756/9780 type of drives (100 and 200MB disk packs, respectively). But I just saw that the 844-41 also uses high-capacity disk packs (in contrast to the original plain 844). Pierre, I see these as 844s--but for

Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those cpu(?) cabinets. Is it the IBM-compatible Siemens 7890(S) mentioned here? http

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Simon Claessen what IBM system is this. Now _that_ is a mainframe!! :-) :-) Noel

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread dave
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those cpu(?) cabinets. Is it the IBM-compatible Siemens 7890

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Jul-04, at 7:15 PM, d...@661.org wrote: On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-04 7:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 There's a pretty prominent 7890 on those cpu

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread drlegendre .
Dunno.. but look at the bevy of machines in the lower-right, the ones with clear windows in the top. Those are all platter drives (HDD), aren't they? On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:37 PM, simon sim...@dds.nl wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/04/2015 04:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Brian L. Stuart
On Sat, 7/4/15, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 I don't believe you're looking at a single system.  Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread ANDY HOLT
- Original Message - From: Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com To: gene...@classiccmp.org, discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, 5 July, 2015 1:13:31 AM Subject: Re: what IBM system is this? On 07/04/2015 04:37 PM, simon wrote: found

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread William Donzelli
found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 It looks like a 3081. -- Will

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Dennis Boone
found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 Looks like CDC gear to me. De

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread drlegendre .
CDC once sat. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote: On 07/04/2015 04:37 PM, simon wrote: found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 I don't believe you're looking at a single system

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread William Donzelli
I don't believe you're looking at a single system. Note the banks of CDC 844 disk drives in the foreground (you can even make out the Control Data logo. I suspect that the cross and 3/4 cross CPUs are CDC CYBER 170s (or 180s). So, not really IBM at all I have started the clock, Chuck...

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/04/2015 05:20 PM, drlegendre . wrote: Sigh, CDC... back when Minnesota was a real player in the big iron world. Their original main office used to be hardly more than a stone's throw from where I sit typing this. CDC Arden Hills? Glad I'm not there now--wait for the sun to go down and

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/04/2015 05:20 PM, simon wrote: It is a mixed system. note the IBM 360 tapedrives in the background. there are more photos of this room on the site. Toby pointed to some documents about the computer history at cern. his link is very nice to read. Sorry Simon, I thought folks were

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Jul-04, at 6:32 PM, ANDY HOLT wrote: - Original Message - From: Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com To: gene...@classiccmp.org, discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, 5 July, 2015 1:13:31 AM Subject: Re: what IBM system

Re: Computing history at CERN - Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/04/2015 08:07 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Note that that room is just for DD division machines - general computing services: data processing, number crunching, external networking, etc. At the time, the accelerator control was being done by Norsk-Data minis located in the accelerator

what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread simon
found in the archives of CERN, this image is beautiful! but what IBM system is this. https://cds.cern.ch/record/1847692 -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl

Re: what IBM system is this?

2015-07-04 Thread William Donzelli
A bit of Google-fu suggests that this is part(!) of an installation that includes a Siemens 7890 An IBM 3090E (those crosses right of centre) A Cray X/MP (don't think it is in photo) A substantial VAXcluster (part of which is just visible at the back on the right) I do not think this is