Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Doug Ingraham wrote: Not bad but I realized even more was possible. 31 00210 BSWI, .-. /ENTRY POINT 32 00211 3174 DCA SAVEAC 33 00212 7430 SZL /REMEMBER LINK STATE 34 00213 1176 TAD C0100 /PRE

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:40:40AM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6 > is *finally* out? About a zillion lines of software expect it to be called "perl". And perl6 has been imminent for ... some time. FreeBSD shows 5394 ports

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 09:29:30AM +0200, Peter Corlett wrote: > Never mind that trying to get their alleged "support" to actually fix > anything is like pissing into the wind. As opposed to major vendors such as Microsoft and Oracle? ;-) mcl

Re: PDP-8 Code Optimization (was Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8)

From: Kyle Owen: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:12 PM TAD OVFA /A XOR B AND OVFB CMA IAC TAD OVFA TAD OVFB Sigh. There seems to be an issue with my implementation of XOR. Before the CMA IAC there needs to be CLL RAL, to reposition the carries before subtracting them. Both XORs are affected.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:48:00AM +0200, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare) wrote: > I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install. Yeah, well ... about that :-( I understand the reasoning behind it. At one time FreeBSD had perl in the base. The problem was the support

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > CP/Net. I don't know if Novell ever deployed their RS-422 networking > with CP/M-86 however. > > There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? > They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: > To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use. A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System? Used, for example, everywhere where Sun boxes were installed, for our (European) company that

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote: > On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: > >> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use. > > A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System? > > Used, for

Re: PDP-8 Code Optimization (was Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8)

On 14/09/2016 03:12, Kyle Owen wrote: Need some more optimization fun? :) Vince and I were working on some code to add two signed 12 bit numbers and detect overflow, returning MAX_INT or MIN_INT in AC in the case of overflow, or the sum in AC otherwise. Here's what Vince came up with so far: >

Re: PDP-8 Code Optimization (was Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8)

On 14/09/2016 13:17, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Kyle Owen: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:12 PM TAD OVFA /A XOR B AND OVFB CMA IAC TAD OVFA TAD OVFB Sigh. There seems to be an issue with my implementation of XOR. Before the CMA IAC there needs to be CLL RAL, to reposition the carries

Re: PDP-8 Code Optimization (was Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8)

From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:20 AM ISZ ovfsum/ if yes, 3777 -> 4000 (MIN INT) CLA / really a NOP You should be able to remove the CLA, as that ISZ won't skip and the AC is already clear. Yours is definitely better, I think, as the XOR business

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > > > > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an ARCnet facility for PCs in 1984. Quite a few vendors had

Re: FDN303 datasheet

- Original Message - From: "Chuck Guzis" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:12 PM Subject: Re: FDN303 datasheet > On 09/13/2016 06:01 PM, Mike Stein wrote: > >> I could probably kludge

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 9/14/2016 11:04 AM, william degnan wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: * Banyan VINES(never saw) *

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/14/2016 09:24 AM, Tapley, Mark wrote: > (circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my > long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward. Apparently, > it is still available from the author: Thanks, Mark. I also seem to remember reading about "Transmit":

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

Chuck, (circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward. Apparently, it is still available from the author: https://fetchsoftworks.com/ But licenses are now $29. It is still possible according to the

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

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Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 17:56, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet (saw

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Earliest networking? Not telco lines, but hardwired stuff. I recall that in 1974/75 I was making one of my trips to Control Data Arden Hills and noticed a backhoe at work digging a trench around the employee's parking lot in back of the main building. I asked what was going on and was told that

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

At 11:56 AM 9/14/2016, js wrote: >On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >>On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: Folks - Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with

RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) > > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) > > Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they tried to flog them to us :-) > I never saw CP/M networked in my life.

Re: PDP-8 Code Optimization (was Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8)

On 14/09/2016 17:02, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: Pete Turnbull: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:20 AM ISZ ovfsum/ if yes, 3777 -> 4000 (MIN INT) CLA / really a NOP You should be able to remove the CLA, as that ISZ won't skip Of course! LOL! I must have spent half an hour

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. And Fedora (also in RH family). Not having telnet never bothered me because "yum install telnet" (now "dnf install telnet") is obvious enough, but for netstat,

Re: Linux at 25

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Murray McCullough wrote: Linux . . . is it 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Don't you hate rhetorical questions?

Re: Linux at 25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M On 9/14/16 1:48 PM, ben wrote: > 'ASK IDIOT BEN' >

Subjects, Topics and Threading

On 09/14/16 09:52, Dale H. Cook wrote: > > Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line > of this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs > with MacOS 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject > line the header information concerning the

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote: >How do you justify making everybody conform to your preferred behavior? I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list is bound by the software that it runs under. Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA

Linux at 25

Linux at 25 - created 25 years ago. Has it changed computing or is it 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Not really part of classic computing world but nonetheless it can be used today in emulators. ( I use it for ADAM emulating. ) Happy computing! Murray :)

Re: Linux at 25

On 9/14/2016 2:30 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Murray McCullough wrote: Linux . . . is it 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Don't you hate rhetorical questions? 'ASK IDIOT BEN' A: No. Everybody is point and click. The real American OS is point and shoot.

Re: Linux at 25

> I was a bit surprised to > find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. s/surprised/alarmed/ Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things before too long. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems *

Re: Linux at 25

On 9/14/2016 4:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I was a bit surprised to find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. s/surprised/alarmed/ Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things before too long. Busybox is the first big lawsuit over GPL as well, wonder if these folks

Internet of Things (was Re: Linux at 25)

Chuck Guzis wrote: > I was a bit surprised to > find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. Cameron Kaiser wrote: > s/surprised/alarmed/ > Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things before too long. Unfortunately most people elide the first two letters of the initialism,

Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

From: Dale H. Cook Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM > Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of > this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS > 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject line the header >

changing Subject header in thread [was Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]]

Rich Alderson wrote: > Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to > change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the > characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the characters "was: " prepended. Not the standard, but a convention. The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to RFC822).

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

On 9/14/16 2:42 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > On 09/14/16 09:52, Dale H. Cook wrote: >> >> Please do not change the subject line in a thread. > And what's so horrible about that? nothing It has taken twenty years to get to the point on cclk where the subject line changes at all.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:44:39PM -0500, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: [...] > Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure? No, they're "legacy", i.e. do not support DeadRat's aims of creating an inscrutable proprietary platform where one is more or less compelled to buy a support contract

Re: bitsavers FP11-B schem: M8115-0-01 sheets 1 and 2 missing?

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: > > On 9/10/2016 10:09 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > >> Does anybody have a complete set of FP11-B drawings? > > I have scanned in my (complete) copy. It is available in > >

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Banyan Vines - did LOTS of Banyan stuff from the military. Thousands of end users. Great stuff, but Banyan had no more product marketing skills than IBM did with OS/2. The Banyan NOS stuff ran on top of a SysV Release III Unix if I remember correctly. Its been a while. ARCnet - saw some

Re: Linux at 25

On 09/14/2016 06:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I was a bit surprised to find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. s/surprised/alarmed/ Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things before too long. Time to rebrand it as NosyBox? :-)

Re: Linux at 25

On 09/14/2016 03:18 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: Linux at 25 - created 25 years ago. Has it changed computing or is it 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Not really part of classic computing world but nonetheless it can be used today in emulators. ( I use it for ADAM emulating. ) I don't want to get

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 06:30 PM 9/14/2016, J. wrote: > > >How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing subject > line? > > The message headers contain data that identify which thread a message is > part of. Subscribers

Re: Linux at 25

On 09/14/2016 05:57 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 09/14/2016 01:18 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: Linux at 25 - created 25 years ago. Has it changed computing or is it 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Right--I really want Windows or Mac OS running the firmware in my routers and DSL modem... I'll posit

Re: Linux at 25

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:18 PM, jim stephens wrote: > > > On 9/14/2016 4:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > >> I was a bit surprised to >>> find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. >>> >> s/surprised/alarmed/ >> >> Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing subject line? A brand-new (not reply) message does not carry the References: header chain from the previous thread. For threading-aware MUAs, this makes sure the new conversation doesn't get buried in the old thread. Or

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

On 9/14/2016 3:30 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote: How do you justify making everybody conform to your preferred behavior? I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list is bound by the software that

Re: Linux at 25

On 09/14/2016 01:18 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: > Linux at 25 - created 25 years ago. Has it changed computing or is it > 'better' than WIN or MacOS? Right--I really want Windows or Mac OS running the firmware in my routers and DSL modem... I'll posit that Linux has made a bigger splash not as

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote: How do you justify making everybody conform to your preferred behavior? I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list is bound by the software that it runs under. Dale H. Cook, Contract IT

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

At 06:30 PM 9/14/2016, J. wrote: >How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing subject line? The message headers contain data that identify which thread a message is part of. Subscribers normally do not see that data because very few people have a reason to look at the

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Re: Tacky Ring (what we used to call it) vs Enet. IIRC one of the issues going forward with TR was that it was mostly an IBM design (patented?) and the prices of TR chips available to card manufacturers was pretty high. This was around 1988. I think that the reason for the high cost was that

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

On 09/14/2016 05:30 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote: How do you justify making everybody conform to your preferred behavior? I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list is bound by the software

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Not the standard, but a convention. > > The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to > RFC822). I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY" suggestion for the use of

Tips for getting to CHM from SJC airport without a car?

A bit off topic other than tips for anyone else trying to travel cheaply. I have a trip to California in a month although the final destination isn't San Jose. I can fly in to SJC and Google is sounding like I might be able to get a few bus hops from the airport and find my way there? Any tips,

More Weird Stuff

There were a couple more MIPS workstations (with MIPS property tags) at Weird Stuff a couple days ago. Two 3xxx-series and an R/12. Also a bunch of DEC stuff including a VT240 base and several keyboards. -- Chris Sent from my iPhone

Re: Linux at 25 [lawyers involvement]

On 9/14/2016 6:40 PM, Ian S. King wrote: >And technology is always better when the lawyers get involved, right? Linux went a long time with no lawsuits that were legally precedent setting. I thought it interesting that the busybox folks were the first ones to raise a fuss. There has always

Re: HP-35/45 Simulator for PDP-8

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Klemens Krause < kra...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote: > > I found the next simplification: > > BSWI, 0 >DCA SAVEAC >RTR / MOVE LINK TO THE PREROTATE POSITION >RTR / ELIMINATE C0100 >RTR / LINK IS

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production] [Posting with brackets]

On 9/14/2016 7:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: I have been using parentheses. I was unaware that square brackets was the preferred form. I also used brackets, and Balanced Fred's. I didn't see any change in how the threading worked with one bracket, maybe two sets will confuse it too. I've

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

yes it is. The cursor is at the top of the box with the emails in most readers I've seen, and unless I want to leave a posting long and enter comments thru the body, sometimes top posting works. On 9/14/2016 3:40 PM, KnoppixLiveKiller wrote: Is it really that hard to bottom post?