Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson wrote: > Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken. Would that this were true. Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however, it's the

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was Old Subject)" to reflect its origin. Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 19:12, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Cool. I was a big fan of running Netware over Token Ring. But remember > eventually > just getting crushed by cheap and easier to install ethernet. One of my > main clients at > the time was on 4mb Token, and we were

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> So unless there was only a single *nix machine on campus there would > be NFS. When I was a University of California student, the news spool and (depending on the system) the mail spool were both NFS mounts on the system I used -- sdcc12 and sdcc13/17, respectively, for any other UCSD students

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 18:15, tony duell wrote: >> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) >> > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) >> >> Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... > > Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so

RE: More Weird Stuff

> The VT240 is interesting, but a bit large. Does anyone have any good Having brought one home (some years ago) on public transport, I found the VT240 to be easier to move than many other terminals. Given that there's a T11 processor in there, I do think it's a pity there's no way to run your

Re: More Weird Stuff

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Chris Hanson wrote: > ... at Weird Stuff a couple days ago... > > Also a bunch of DEC stuff including a VT240 base and several keyboards. The VT240 is interesting, but a bit large. Does anyone have any good programs that exercise the

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 15 September 2016 at 11:43, Liam Proven wrote: > On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> A bit like not noticing >> that the USB stick runs Linux.. which happens. > > Er. Explain? How can a dumb storage device run any OS? > > I have various

Re: Tips for getting to CHM from SJC airport without a car?

On 9/14/16 10:32 PM, Sam O'nella wrote: Any tips, tricks or > warnings? > Take a cab. It's $25 and you'll be there in 15 mins off traffic peak. That's what I do when coming back Public transit to SJC is a sick joke. Billions going into BART and there are no plans to connect it to the

Re: Linux at 25

On 09/15/2016 07:54 AM, tony duell wrote: > My thermostat contains about 2 dozen parts, even if you count every > nut , bolt, and washer. It does the job and is not hard to understand > or repair if/when it needs it. > > Quite why I would want a thermostat with presumably several million >

Re: Linux at 25

> > I was a bit surprised to > > find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. > > My thermostat contains about 2 dozen parts, even if > you count every nut , bolt, and washer. It does the job > and is not hard to understand or repair if/when it needs > it. I intentionally kept the old

RE: Linux at 25

> I was a bit surprised to > find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. My thermostat contains about 2 dozen parts, even if you count every nut , bolt, and washer. It does the job and is not hard to understand or repair if/when it needs it. Quite why I would want a thermostat with

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote: > On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Peter Corlett wrote: [...] >> The 68020 onwards made the CPU fully 32 bit, although various bits of legacy >> 16 bit cruft remained for compatibility. > No, the 68000 was a 32-bit CPU,

TMB11 drawings?

Does anyone know of the whereabouts of a set of engineering drawings for the TMB11 (also a Technical Manual, although that's more of a luxury)? All I could find on it, online, was the Operator's Manual. Noel PS: In an older thread on TU10's/TM11's here:

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 09/15/2016 11:03 AM, Peter Corlett wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Chris Hanson wrote: >> No, the 68000 was a 32-bit CPU, as defined by the register width >> and programming model. The fact that it was implemented with a >> 16-bit ALU and had a 16-bit data path to memory is

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

And, to 'put a nail in it', the bitsavers file for the MC68000 is '68000_16-Bit_Microprocessor_Apr83.pdf'. - Original Message - From: "Chuck Guzis" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

> From: Chuck Guzis > Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family) that the _architecture_ was 32-bit: - 32-bit registers - many

Re: TMB11 drawings?

On 9/15/16 10:29 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Does anyone know of the whereabouts of a set of engineering drawings for the > TMB11 http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102753063

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 09/15/2016 11:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> From: Chuck Guzis > >> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. > > The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no > doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K > family) that the

Re: TMB11 drawings?

just took a look at this the TMB11 is a special widget for the small Kennedy 7" 800bpi tape drive On 9/15/16 11:41 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 9/15/16 10:29 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> Does anyone know of the whereabouts of a set of engineering drawings for the >> TMB11 > > >

Re: TMB11 drawings?

but we do have the TMA11 drwngs http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102753071 On 9/15/16 12:38 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > just took a look at this > the TMB11 is a special widget for the small Kennedy 7" 800bpi tape drive > > On 9/15/16 11:41 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >> >> >> On 9/15/16

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 15/09/2016 20:34, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 09/15/2016 11:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Chuck Guzis Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for

Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Chuck Guzis > Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family) that the

Re: Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

> Also, Apple Computer referred to [the 68000] as a 32 bit microprocessor in > their early Macintosh ads. And Apple *never* oversells *anything.* ;) -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

> Few, if any processors could be unambiguously classified. Some can. The TMS 9900 is indisputably 16-bit; it even has 16-bit memory addressing, in addition to 16-bit registers, a 16-bit ALU and 16-bit internal datapaths. For that matter, the CRU is 16-bit, too. The PDP-8 and Intersil 6100 had

Re: Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 09/15/2016 05:17 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Also, Apple Computer referred to it as a 32 bit microprocessor in > their early Macintosh ads. I always just considered it a 32 bit CPU > with a 16 bit external bus. So what's the width of an IBM 1620? --Chuck

Re: TMB11 drawings?

On 9/15/16 3:46 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 9/15/16 1:42 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> > From: Al Kossow >> >> > http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102753063 >> >> Ah, excellent! Any chance those can be scanned at some point? >> > > I'll try to take care of both this

Re: Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Also, Apple Computer referred to [the 68000] as a 32 bit microprocessor > in > > their early Macintosh ads. > > And Apple *never* oversells *anything.* ;) > How about 65k of RAM?!

Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Chuck Guzis > Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no doubt whatsover (having written a lot of assembler code for the 68K family) that the

Re: Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > > On 2016-09-15 2:38 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >>> From: Chuck Guzis >> >>> Call it anything you want, but we know what Motorola called it. >> >> The _first implementation_ may have been 16-bit, but I am in no

Re: TMB11 drawings?

On 9/15/16 1:42 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Al Kossow > > > http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102753063 > > Ah, excellent! Any chance those can be scanned at some point? > I'll try to take care of both this evening

Need help with DSD-440 QBus Controller

Hi folks, I recently acquired a DSD-440 drive and purchased its accompanying controller on ebay. The controller is configured at defaults according to the manual on Bitsavers. However, unless it is on the bus by itself after the RAM cards, it halts the CPU at location 270. Here are

RE: Meaning of "architecture width" - Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

> Why not have two concepts? They're free. Gordon Bell probably laid this > out somewhere. Or Blaauw and Brooks. In a talk on the HP9810 desktop calculator I said, somewhat tongue-in-cheek that it could claim to be 1, 3, 4, 6, 8 or 16 bits. The justifications for those are as follows : The

Re: Need help with DSD-440 QBus Controller

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Julian Wolfe wrote: > > I recently acquired a DSD-440 drive and purchased its accompanying controller > on ebay. The controller is configured at defaults according to the manual on > Bitsavers. However, unless it is on the bus by itself after

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 16:51, Liam Proven wrote: > On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: >> >>> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use.

Re: TMB11 drawings?

> From: Al Kossow > http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102753063 Ah, excellent! Any chance those can be scanned at some point? (No rush, I'm not about to start working with one instantly - too much else backed up in the queue! :-) >> I saw some queries about

Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...

family) that the _architecture_ was 32-bit: On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Hence my comment. It's a matter of what to believe--Motorola or your lyin' eyes. :) Ah, but can the manufacturer be trusted? What would motivate them to take a 32 bit processor and CALL it 16 bit? Was that a

RE: TMB11 drawings?

I have the TMB11 and the TS03. IIRC, I have the printset of the TMB11 and ISTR it is one inch thick! Will check this weekend. - Henk Van: Al Kossow Verzonden: donderdag 15 september 2016 21:37 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote: > I still find it very strange. Yes, that was the point of my post! > So unless there was only a single *nix machine Virtually every *nix deployment I have ever worked upon, yes, the was one, single *nix machine in the

Re: Tips for getting to CHM from SJC airport without a car?

corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ > On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:32 AM, Sam O'nella wrote: > > A bit off topic other than tips for anyone else trying to travel cheaply. I > have a trip to California in a month although the final destination isn't > San Jose. > > I can fly in to SJC and

Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading

At 06:40 PM 9/14/2016, KnoppixLiveKiller wrote: >Is it really that hard to bottom post? With that things have gotten really ridiculous, so goodbye for good. Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html