Re: I hate the new mail system

I was wondering why 99% of my cctalk shows up as "read mail".. =/ What a PITA, I can't tell what I have read from what I have not read - is this part of the 'new' system? On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 2:46 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > What did you do? 99% of all my cctalk is

Re: Univac I memory tank

I can't imagine why it needed to be reworked. That is only what I was told. I always thought it was kind of funny. The Olivetti used a piece of wire for the delay line. I forget what the Dielh Combitron used but I know it used a two delay lines. One was for registers and the other was for

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, Zane Healy wrote: I’m reminded of the current, and ludicrous, Mac Pro. :-( I wish the reply-to pointed at cctalk@classiccmp.org! I just took a peek at the Mac Pro. People actually buy that thing? I just got a Dell Dimension 7910 workstation at work. It cost around

Re: Ardent Titan

Hi Camiel, First let me say you are one lucky guy. I had one of these in my office for a few months, after their demo in Houston we were in constant contact to promote and sell them. Ardent, later Stardent supplied the hardware and we ported an application to show at the Offshore Technology

Re: Oki 3305 disk drives

Hi all OK, following up on my own post here. I have a couple of Oki 3305BU 1/3 height 5 1/4" drives. On startup the motor spins and the heads load, but the heads don't move. Also, my BIOS tells me I have a drive failure. On taking them apart for a bit of a lube I noticed they have EPROM

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, Chris Hanson wrote: On Mar 14, 2017, at 1:46 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: Although I suppose you might have been talking about the software. I mean, without that whole display/windows/menu/mouse thing he copied from Xerox, to allow ordinary people

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: When people decided Steve Jobs had become a god? Right about the time that whole "computer for the rest of us" started... an unreliable source, who was working in Apple at the time, said that it was being touted "for the unwashed masses, or

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Raymond Wiker wrote: On 14 Mar 2017, at 23:49 , TeoZ via cctalk wrote: Jobs had to get fired for Apple to recall the expansion capabilities of the Apple II days and start making the Mac II series. Jobs left Apple in 1985 and returned in 1997. The

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Mar 15, 2017 3:28 PM, "Fred Cisin via cctalk" wrote: > I was surprised that Jobs didn't make the Lisa floppy 5.0 or 5.5 inches, I assume that Apple wanted to get at least a small benefit of economy of scale from media manufacturers not having to retool for a different

Re: I hate the new mail system

I don't hate it, but it sure is inconvenient: Looks like I get messages with three different "TO" addresses: cctalk@classiccmp.org and General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts; No problem with those two; easy to pick out cctalk messages. But ;General Discussion: On-Topic and

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

Hi They look pretty good to me. How's it done. The originals were injection molded and of course needed a mold. I'll be at the Munich VCF at the end of April. Rod Smallwood On 16/03/2017 00:30, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: Hi folks, this might be quite interesting for

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

On 2017-03-15 8:30 PM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: Hi folks, this might be quite interesting for the folks that miss front panel switch handles! As some of you might know I'm currently working (a bit) on a new batch of Omnibus USB boards. And I have announced that there will be a kind

Re: Pair of Twiggys

> From: Raymond Wiker > Steve Jobs ... was also a stickler for perfection and largely unwilling > to make compromises. Absolutely; and that's a large part of the reason for the success of Apple. His products were just really well done. It's also, I think, a big part of the causality

Delay Lines (Was: Univac I memory tank)

Dwight wrote: > The Olivetti used a piece of wire for the delay line. The Programma 101 indeed used a delay line. Such delay lines use magnetostrictive means to push a torque pulse into one end of the wire, as well as detect a torque twist at the other end of the wire. Magnetostrictive

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 2017-03-15 7:02 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-15 5:17 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: The whole idea of an "operating system" seems to have morphed into the notion of a user interface. To my

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: > On 16.03.2017 03:19, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: >> >> For a prototype that looks very nice indeed! They do indeed. >> Same for the side holes just using the depression as the centre >> point. >

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

On 3/15/2017 8:50 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: I think that he can make everything glossy. For matte finish, we'd need a perfect original or see if we can somehow prepare the mould. My memory of all the toggles I've handled (no pun intended) is that they have a glossy finish, not a

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

On 16.03.2017 03:19, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: For a prototype that looks very nice indeed! Yess :-) I agree that for this level of molding precision the pivot axle would be better if done as a separate piece and press fitted. Yes. Even if it is moulded perfectly - the axle will still

Re: Pair of Twiggys

Superdrives (floppy drives) are starting to be a problem on 68k Mac systems because they fail (motors die, heads get ripped off, etc). The later ones with the black flap (cost reduced) found on PPC systems seem to last. Same problems with the IBM PS/2 floppy drives. Twiggy drives seemed to

Re: I hate the new mail system

I didn't make any intentional changes to my filters (do I even have any?) so I can't say that's the cause. But about 75% of my cctalk mails now show up as "read".. and it's super-annoying. Anyone know how to correct it? On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Eric Christopherson via cctalk <

DEC frontpanel switch replica!

Hi folks, this might be quite interesting for the folks that miss front panel switch handles! As some of you might know I'm currently working (a bit) on a new batch of Omnibus USB boards. And I have announced that there will be a kind of handle for the boards this time... I went to my

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

> Hi folks, > > this might be quite interesting for the folks that miss front panel > switch handles! > > As some of you might know I'm currently working (a bit) on a new batch > of Omnibus USB boards. And I have announced that there will be a kind of > handle for the boards this time... I went to

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 15 March 2017 at 14:17, geneb via cctalk wrote: > Well hooray for Xerox. Apple still obtained the concepts from Xerox, > regardless of the mechanism. Only some and only very basic ones. Icons for files, the "OK" and "Cancel" buttons, scroll bars, all kinds of utterly

AC magnetic field strengths

I bought an AlphaLabs GM-2 Gaussmeter for another project, and measured the AC magnetic field strength touching these devices yesterday, since I really didn't have any idea beyond order of magnitude what they might be Handheld tape head demagnetizer: 40 Gauss GC Elec 9317 CRT degausing coil: 70

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 3/15/2017 11:35 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On 15 March 2017 at 14:17, geneb via cctalk wrote: Well hooray for Xerox. Apple still obtained the concepts from Xerox, regardless of the mechanism. Only some and only very basic ones. Icons for files, the "OK"

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 15 March 2017 at 18:19, js--- via cctalk wrote: > Maybe cognitive delay is a good thing. Separates the wheat from the chaff. > > Eg. "God forbid" there be automobiles with only one button (start). Heh! Good point. -- Liam Proven • Profile:

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 15 March 2017 at 02:23, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > A lot of research and development went into the Lisa and Macintosh > interfaces. They weren’t just “copied from Xerox.” If you sit someone who > knows how to use a Mac in front of a circa-1979 Xerox Alto, they’ll

Re: I hate the new mail system

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, drlegendre . via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I was wondering why 99% of my cctalk shows up as "read mail".. =/ > > What a PITA, I can't tell what I have read from what I have not read - is > this part of the 'new' system? > You mean in Gmail? I don't

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 3/15/2017 5:02 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-15 5:17 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: The whole idea of an "operating system" seems to have morphed into the notion of a user interface.

Re: Pair of Twiggys

> Smalltalk invented scrollbars (they were clumsier than > Apple's though) in the mid 70s. Right. The typical desktop scroll bar as thought of today, however, like typical desktop windows and menus, are largely an Apple refinement if not invention. Those where already available

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 15 March 2017 at 14:17, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > Well hooray for Xerox. Apple still obtained the concepts from Xerox, > > regardless of the mechanism. > > Only some and only

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 3/15/17 10:40 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > the Mac was designed by a number of ex-PARC > > researchers. > > Steve Capps was the only person on the original Mac team who worked at > PARC. >

Re: Pair of Twiggys

> On 15 Mar 2017, at 16:37 , Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Raymond Wiker > >> Steve Jobs ... was also a stickler for perfection and largely unwilling >> to make compromises. > > Absolutely; and that's a large part of the reason for the success of Apple. >

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 3/15/17 10:40 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > the Mac was designed by a number of ex-PARC > researchers. Steve Capps was the only person on the original Mac team who worked at PARC. They were influenced strongly by the UI and graphics work of Lisa. There were several ex-Xerox (PARC and

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 3/15/17 11:08 AM, Josh Dersch wrote: > Wasn't Bruce Horn at PARC (at least as a student?). yes, he worked in the Smalltalk group. I also forgot about Bob Beleville.

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Liam Proven wrote: Yeah, god forbid you confuse the poor user with more than one button. Jeez, Gene, can't you find some _new_ nonsense? Why? The old nonsense still works! I gotta bring it out now and again to keep the rust off and the joints moving freely. :) This

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? I'm pretty sure Android runs on top of Linux. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated

Re: Ardent Titan

Hello, On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Randy Dawson via cctech wrote: > > Kubota (who purchased Stardent) put the rendering software, Dore' in the > public domain. I have built it here under FreeBSD on a PC; it was in the > ports system for a while, and without to much

Re: Univac I memory tank

Adds a whole new dimension to the term "memory leak". Marc On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:32 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > I can't imagine why it needed to be reworked. That is only what I was > told. I always thought it was kind of funny. > > The Olivetti used a piece of

Re: Pair of Twiggys

Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: I'm pretty sure Android runs on top of Linux. On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: Android runs a hacked BSD libc on top of a linux

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: It's also, I think, a big part of the causality for another Apple characteristic: their push for closed systems. The thing is that Steve wanted to make the user experience as good as possible (another hallmark of Apple stuff) - and when the

Re: AC magnetic field strengths

On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > I bought an AlphaLabs GM-2 Gaussmeter for another project, and measured the > AC magnetic > field strength touching these devices yesterday, since I really didn't have > any idea beyond > order of magnitude

Re: Pair of Twiggys

* Fred Cisin via cctalk [170315 14:48]: [..SNIP..] > > Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? [..SNIP..] I'd argue that the OS used by Android *is* Linux (with some small modifications.) Of course the user interface and lots of other functions is a

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? >> > I'm pretty sure Android runs on top of Linux. Android runs a hacked BSD libc on top of a linux

Re: Old Honeywell uPAC parts looking for a new home

That's sad :-( I did not even have the opportunity to check if they would have helped me to get my DDP-516 back to life - I am missing two ICs. Who took them? Kind regards Philipp Am 13.03.2017 um 04:39 schrieb Todd Pisek via cctech: The uPAC modules have been claimed.

Re: Ardent Titan

Hello, On 03/15/2017 06:31 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctech wrote: Hello, On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Randy Dawson via cctech wrote: Kubota (who purchased Stardent) put the rendering software, Dore' in the public domain. I have built it here under FreeBSD on a

Re: Pair of Twiggys

This one is quantifiable and measurable. More buttons means more cognitive delay. On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, js--- via cctalk wrote: Maybe cognitive delay is a good thing. Separates the wheat from the chaff. hmmm. Eg. "God forbid" there be automobiles with only one button (start). They are

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 03/15/2017 12:10 PM, Todd Goodman via cctalk wrote: > * Fred Cisin via cctalk [170315 14:48]: > [..SNIP..] >> >> Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? > > [..SNIP..] > > I'd argue that the OS used by Android *is* Linux (with some small >

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Warner Losh wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Below the user interface, is Android very similar to Linux? I'm pretty sure Android runs on top of Linux. Android

Re: Univac I memory tank

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:41:57PM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Dwight Kelvey > > > I need on of those. > > I think it belongs in a museum, actually. Provided they can make it work, of > course! :-) I wonder how many working delay line main memories are left in > the

Re: Ardent Titan

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 06:19:41PM +, Randy Dawson via cctech wrote: > It was in FreeBSD ports, in graphics but they removed it (why?). portsjail% grep dore MOVED graphics/dore||2011-05-02|Has expired: Upstream disappeared and distfile is no longer available So, someone would have to take

Re: Pair of Twiggys

Icons for files, the "OK" and "Cancel" buttons, scroll bars, all kinds of utterly basic stuff were invented at Apple. Well, other than that it wasn't.

Mac HFS file recovery; was: Pair of Twiggys

Folks, I was asked to recover files from an old Apple Hard Disk 20 drive (Miniscribe 20MB SCSI). I've been able to read all but two widely-spaced sectors, but no Mac HFS file recovery tool that I've been able to find works. Anyone want to take a crack at it before I resort to extracting

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Mar 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > The Star introduced the concept of icons representing files (and other > things) in 1981. According to “Inventing the Lisa User Interface,” Apple put emphasis on icons in the Lisa interface in its Marketing

Re: Pair of Twiggys

> > The whole idea of an "operating system" seems to have morphed into the > notion of a user interface. > > To my way of thinking,t he various flavors of Linux are really a user > interface build on a single operating system. > Has anybody else noticed that the meaning of "portable code" seems

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The whole idea of an "operating system" seems to have morphed into the notion of a user interface. To my way of thinking,t he various flavors of Linux are really a user interface build on a single operating system. I recall that back in the

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On 03/14/2017 10:02 PM, Sam O'nella via cctalk wrote: > This statement is hurting my brain. I was never an Apple (company) > user or fan but personally felt the Apple product line was hacker > friendly before the Apple II c threatened to void your warranty if > opened, then the Mac seemed to

Re: Pair of Twiggys

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > On 2017-03-15 5:17 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> >>> The whole idea of an "operating system" seems to have morphed into the >>> notion of a user interface. >>> >>> To my way of thinking,t he