I saw this newpaper photo on ebay, item 191606970872, where these 2 big wigs
are proudly standing in front of their computer system looking over some
printout.
The actual computers in the picture don't look familiar to me, can anyone ID
them?
The disc drives appear to be HP 7900A
Some have asked if I'm just posting gear from ads I see online in my
equipment available deals. The answer is no; I very frequently get
individuals emailing me directly about systems they want to dispose of, so
unless I was blind-CC'd, these equipment available deals are generally not
known
John Willis wrote...
Why it or its moderators decide to unceremoniously unsubscribe me every few
months without warning is beyond me. [snip] It would be _really_ nice to do a
warning message to people who haven't broken any list rules and haven't asked
to be removed before dumping them,
Hence the reason I asked on-list for a web developer. One response thus
far
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 2:16 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re:
Should the requirement be weight,
physical size,
or what tools are lost in it?
BTU requirements.
Mark wrote
As a matter of fact I assumed that you'd intentionally let it through to give
him the opportunity to show us first hand what kind of person he is. Very
effective in any case.
(taking off my list-owner hat and speaking for myself)
Nah - I believe that pretty much the most
I had written
Anyone have operators and/or service manual for the Silent 785?
Still looking for the manual, but... found a quick reference guide inside
the unit. I had seen it before, but didn't see the note on the back at the
bottom regarding configuration. Long story short, by
Glen wrote...
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Is that the one you rescued from somewhere in LA? Was wondering if you were
able to successfully manage that.
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Nope. That was an 800 series KSR. I still want that, but the business trip I
was hoping to use to justify it never materialized. Still looking for someone
in
That means they are copying the list without permission.
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:22 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: FYI gmane
I've got a TI Silent 785 I'm trying to get configured/running. I see docs on
bitsavers for the earlier models, but not anything in the 780 series and
outwardly they do appear to be somewhat different than the 700 series. My
google searches don't return joy either. I'm particularly looking for
FYI - in the fairly near term, I plan to get rid of the two views of the
same list configuration on the classiccmp server. It has always created a
rather large administrative burden, but also lately just has not been
working right (problems subscribing, duplicate emails, a continuous stream
of
Paul wrote...
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Sorry, that should have been off list.
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Yep, and that's why you missed the deal ;) Someone responded privately right
away, the equipment has been claimed.
J
Andrew wrote...
What specific tools/software/languages would be required to fill the role?
Standard FAMP stack (where F = freebsd)
Stopped in the local electronics haunt, and the owner directed me to a Fine
to Very Good IBM 5150. I did not look at it closely, but externally appears
to be very good shape with minor scratches on the under-side. It has two FH
5.25's, and a cassette port on back. He did say that memory had been
One thing I will absolutely not abide here is drama of any kind. Regardless
of anyone's sentiments in response to his post one way or the other, the
list is no place for that.
Suffice it to say, his subject line was correct. That was the final word
he'll ever get on this list, and I have made
Guy; That's just plain awesome :)
J
Tony wrote...
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As a total aside, on some HP boards there is a 16 pin DIL package with the
part number 1260-0339.
Any ideas what that chip is?
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Is it on any boards related to the HP1000 or 21MX computers? If so... what
board?
J
Sorry for the public post, can't get through privately. But oddly, the list
seems to make it through. Very strange.
Mouse, tried sending you a few replies, but your mail server sends
rejections back from your MX host. Any chance you could whitelist the
classiccmp.org server IP?
Best,
J
Gene wrote...
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One thing I don't understand - why can't the machine boot on its own? Why
would IBM design a computer that required another computer just to boot it?
To report higher sales of OS2/Warp? ;)
Not the only one though, ISTR the 11/780 used a 11/03 to boot?
J
Tony wrote (re: 25kg)...
Its about half the weight of many minicomputer bits (I think an RK05 drive
is about 50kg for example).
I cry DEC-bias, using an RK05 as your UOM ;)
For HP, a bare 7906 drive is 75kg (165#), and with controller, power supply,
and desk side rack that only holds
Maybe a future possibility to have a (maybe Chinese) manufacturer make a
batch of 1000, 2000 or maybe 1 clips with a type of plastic which is
slightly more flexible so that they do not break off to quickly?
I have no idea what current prices would be for this field of manufacturing
List - sorry for the noise..
Paul - sent you a couple emails on the 2100 front, wasn't sure if you got
them (re: WCS boards).
J
Tony said:
What is the electrical rating?
For the 2140-0364, aka CM7361-200
MRC Parameter Characteristics
ABHPOverall Length 0.625 inches maximum
AFSPFilament DesignationC-2R
AFSTLight Output Rating 0.050 spherical candlepower nominal single
rating
What I'd really like, is one of those light bulb replacement tools for the
2100 :)
As anyone knows who has replaced them before, it's a bit of a frustrating
pain to get them inserted just right given clearences and such :)
I'm not positive, but I seem to recall back in foggy memory that there
Greetings folks. I'm on a mission to get some replacement bulbs for my
2100A/S machines. The official part is 2140-0364 (38 of them per machine).
Google appears to indicate that an identical replacement is CM7361-200. One
of my old parts donor 2100's has both OL-783BP and OL-783BPC, but I don't
Glen;
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I bought (40x) CM7361 from Mouser last month (Mouser part # 606-CM7361). At
=10 and 100 they were $0.72 each. They are rated at
25,000 hour.
I haven't installed any of this batch in my 2100A yet. I think I installed some
of the same previously.
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Is there some difference between
Dave wrote...
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I think that the switches can be found, but they might be expensive.
--
But as Noel wrote... the problem isn't the CK switches as far as the "model
number" on them goes. They can be found pretty easy. The problem is that CK
switches used in these systems were custom made
Vince wrote...
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In addition, the pivot heads seem to have been spread with some sort of heat
process, so it is virtually impossible to remove the handle without breaking
off the pivots.
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I should point out... so far I've had about six or eight switch covers on
various eclipse
Ethan wrote...
Looking at your picture, I'd say that is not identical to any DEC switch handle
I know of.
Yeah, I couldn't remember what system it was... but when I first took apart a
DG front panel and looked at the plastic switch covers, I *KNOW* I remember
that I had worked on
Ben wrote...
Bring in the Gorillas. :)
Other than bootstrapping, switches tend to sit idle.
Guess it's all what you're doing. I use the front panels *A LOT* on all my
machines. A completely missing switchcover, or a broken switch, would be far
more than just an inconvenience to me at
Ethan wrote...
> Do the DG handles have the same problems as DEC switch handles?
> (fragile pivots that break off)
To which Christian replied...
Only the 16-bit Eclipse family, and they're really not that fragile -- you sort
of have to work to break them.
Ethan - Yes. They have the
I should also add if people are talking about reproducing DEC switch
handles (the plastic covers)... I would love to get spares for my DG gear so
whatever process works for the dec ones may be helpful there.
J
Rod;
It's not just the dec folks. I have a DG box that I'd REALLY like to get a new
(plexiglass, but thinner and more flexible) panel done for. I'd imagine it's
silkscreening
And I know of at least one other DG person looking for the same...
J
I received the email below, thought I'd pass it on...
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Dear J West,
I am writing to inform you about an article I have created about Quantum
Link, an online service that was available in the US & Canada from 1985 to
1994.
https://www.tinytickle.co.uk/quantum-link/
Quantum Link, originally
I think bitsavers is the best spot for that type of thing.
But if for whatever reason Al doesn't wish to, I'd be happy to put them at:
http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/
in the RT11 directory.
There are already files and distributions of interest there.
J
Apologies, not sure how that got through.
Maybe a listmember got address-book-malware. Will see if the headers reveal
anything that is easy to spot.
J
I've been away from DEC stuff far too long, so I don't remember what this is
called - but I'll describe it.
The beige dec cabinets (corp cab?) that are wider than about 19 inches...
the ones where there is the "normal" 19" rack and then to the left or the
right there is a top to bottom, front to
It was written...
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Doesn't look like any software can be downloaded. It was hosted on a FTP site.
Archive.org doesn't do FTP. :(
Does anyone happen to have a copy of ftp://omen.com? There were a few things I
would have liked.
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Yeah, already looked at doing that. When I hear about a
This came up a few months ago here, and I asked for it to be taken to private
email. Not sure why it resurfaced again (nor do I wish an explanation for
it)... let's just keep this topic in private email please.
J
Yep, I purchased a couple boxes of 8" HS floppies, I think you were going to
contact me off-list. In any case... send me the current version and I'll give
it a whirl.
J
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of shad
Sent: Thursday, November
Anke wrote
> If there is any interest, I can post announcements for those events in
> advance.
Anke - please feel free to post any classic computer related events on this
list!!
J
We need to be able to do 32 sector 8" floppies :)
J
Shadoo wrote...
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Then I developed a tool to connect it to PC via serial, using the console
port; this tool is somehow similar to VTserver for PDP11 realm, but more
expandable.
Basically, you can do memory transfers between Nova and PC (both
directions), and execute almost *ANY* I/O
I found a company selling new 8" 32-sector hard sector floppies.
http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html Item # 47-0801
They want $150 per box of 10. That's a pretty hefty pricetag... but in the
absence of other suppliers I may just have to break down and buy a box from
them.
J
Henk wrote...
>Great series of pictures Jay!
Thanks! Most of those pics are "so I don't forget where wires go", but some
of them are presentable :)
>After more than a year on a desk, I mounted the 6125 tape drive in the top
of the rack with its power supply on the right side next to it.
I went
Cindy wrote...
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Are the one you want made by Accuride perhaps?
http://www.accuride.com/media/1975/rackmountaccessories_pdf_3.pdf
They call them "bar nuts" :-)
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BINGO! That's the ones :) Thanks Cindy!!
Henk wrote...
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On the right vertical post of the rack you mount two hinges. Each hinge has
a pin that simply goes through a hole of the vertical post, and one screw.
--
Yep, I got the installation instructions in the manual, which are
wonderfully detailed WRT rackmounting. You may not
Dwight wrote
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I'd makes some slight changes if I did it again.
--
How about support for 8"? ;)
J
Henk wrote...
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Yup, I mounted the 6125 in the top of the rack. The thought indeed did not
occur that you can screw the pin in the metal hinge from the *bottom* side.
I removed the top plastic part with the Data General text (top cover) to get
the clearance space needed to hang the drive on
Perhaps my google skills are challenged (probably so), but I can't find
this.
Is there a modern source of nut bars that one could order with specific
thread size and # of holes (NEMA pattern)? Yeah, I know I'm being OCD and
can just use individual nuts. But after you keep losing a handful of
Yep, I was the one that scored that SYM-1 and accessories for $40 :)
Pictures at https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02
Just arrived, have yet to power it up as I'm busy with DG projects (next
email!) :)
J
Pictures of the S/130 system I'm building up are at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02
I think the last I posted here... the cpu was up and running, that was the
first piece I refurbished. I took everything out of the rack and cleaned
that up well, and the cpu has been remounted there.
This may be hosted on the classiccmp server if you wish. There are already
plans afoot for a registry there that would include both public and private
listings, as well as measures to ensure entries that are desired to be
anonymous (but verified) can be presented as well. The initial idea was for
One problem is going to be authentication. If it has any contact
information (and it seems like it would need to in order to be useful)
then it's gonna become a target for SPAM.
Captcha?
J
Linux, a web page form, some PHP scripts and MySQL and we're done.
Any
^
Chilling words. Are you TRYING to get Jay to withdraw his offer of hosting?
Hah. The classiccmp server is LAMP... so none of the above is a
Ed# wrote...
COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS
CC-
No.
> From: Jay West
> Ian's 11/23
11/34. I know, I know, those blasted PDP-11's; under-foot everywhere! :-)
Noel
Al wrote...
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It is the transform processor from a GE CAT scanner. I was just getting
around to scanning the drawings for it.
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I have never in any device seen a higher density of chips and boards per
square inch. I suspect that if any of the fans fail, it would burst into
flames within 30
It's time to start on the Data General stuff I've had forever but not yet
restored :) This time much of it has finally made its way into the workshop
so perhaps there will be some progress.
Pictures of the initial set of racks to work on are at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02 , but
VCFMW is over, and I wanted to give a huge CONGRATS to Jason for the
resulting show that he put on. Most of you will recall it was originally at
Purdue, then was moved to Heron Point (IL). That venue was no longer
available, so Jason scouted out a new venue (Holiday Inn) in Elk Grove
Village, IL.
As always, my hosting company will gladly provide hosting services to any
classic computing related website at no charge.
I'll send him an email offering same. I don't want to offer free web
development though, someone else can step up with that work if they wish :)
A building next door to one of my offices was a datacenter/colo facility. It
has sat vacant for quite a few years, and the new owner contacted me
yesterday about some unrelated items. I asked about the raised floor and she
said "all available, dirt cheap, come over and look".
Sometime next
This thread has migrated into the realm of "should be handled off-list".
J
Sean wrote
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But I do think there's merit in Alexandre's general argument that one could
theoretically emulate the older bipolar PROMs with some mix of modern
components ... and the programmable device would be (a) more easily obtainable
than the old bipolar PROMs and (b) programmable
Sean wrote
--
The median listing price for them on eBay for a 29B with pack seems to be
around $3-400 which IMO is a little steep for a 30+ year old PROM programmer.
--
Nope. There is a very good reason why they still command such a price. Worth
every penny.
I can't belittle a 30
Jason wrote
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Indeed, my basket-case HP1000E was, if not fixed, assessed and put on its way
to good health by a pro HP fixer-upper. And at a free event!
You can't ask for much more value than that.
-
Yeah, that 2109 was pretty much a mess. It definitely took some severe hits
over
And the online store is apparently "down for maintenance" :\
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:40 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
<cctalk@classiccmp
For drives of that general ilk I have:
9121
9122
9144
7957
Let me know if these would be of use.
J
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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:51 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and
Charles wrote...
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I just installed Kyle Owen's Serial Disk Server on my 8/A (at high speed via
an Omni-USB card I got from Philipp Hachtmann).
---
Yeah, I've been meaning to get one of those omni-usb cards. Googling for the
link.
J
Al wrote...
>I didn't know how the things worked, so I looked it up
I should point out that for most things classiccmp I use them on, you have
to scrub REALLY hard, in very small back and forth strokes. When you hear
them squeaking, they are working right. It even gets out things that I could
John wrote
Might I respectfully just quip here,
that different countries have different
culture re what is offensive. [snip]
I think the best policy is to let as
much as possible "slide" here in the
online world.
VERY well put.
About 1% of the time I post a question here, I get
Alexander wrote...
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Intersting to note: many times i have used eproms in place of these proms.
Usually, flash parts are faster, so better suited to the task.
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Loader roms:
You may be able to get by with that on loader roms. I've never found eproms
that were functional & pin compatible.
Glen wrote
The loader PROMs are 256x4 while the firmware PROMs are either 512x8 or 1024x8.
The firmware has some interesting code to unpack the 256x4 loader PROMs into
64x16 format in memory, and patch in the I/O select code while it is doing it.
The same 1K parts are used
Marc wrote
HP 1000. Not only the standard 24 pin ROMs but the small 14 or 16 pin
bootloader ROMs that Jay showed me at VCF. What would be a good ROM
programmer that could read and write these of older HP equipment ROMs?
---
The Data I/O 29B works perfectly for those old fusable link
Sean wrote...
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my bench is all Racal, Tek, HP, Fluke, etc and the
--
You must be one of those high net worth folks you mentioned in your previous
post, I'm jealous of that kind of bench gear!
I'm not saying the CP-1128 isn't a great value. Of course it's a good solution!
I am
Local electronics haunt has an Amiga 2000HD on the shelf. I was in a rush
so didn't get any particulars. It did not appear to have a monitor or
keyboard. Didn't see a price tag, but just from past experience I'd guess
the owner tagged it around $50.
I'm not in to them, no interest.. But if
Dwight wrote...
> If you still have a working machine, why not disassemble the boot ROMs.
They are only a few instructions long.
Not necessary, as the source and binary for all the loader roms is in the
aforementioned manual. None of them are "only a few instructions long". Most
of them are a
I took on a brand new client a while back, and before doing any real work for
them they were hit by cryptolocker. I hadn't yet even done a "IT Review" for
them, so didn't yet know what systems they had in place.
Thus, under the gun, I started looking at their backup setup, and found it
Gerard wrote
HOW OFTEN theses old PROM fail ??
Who had been through this problem and does it "really" worth to have some
blanks "just in case" ??
1) Once is enough, if it is the only known copy of that particular rom. But
in general they are very reliable. More often than not -
Glen wrote...
Just in case anyone is looking at BP Microsystems programmers:
I'm looking - heck, at that price, a good backup/insurance policy!
Would love to see a full device list
J
Along the lines of this thread... back a few years ago when it was mentioned on
the list that the last company making 1/2 mag tape was ceasing production, I
bought a couple cases (I think 24 tapes total). I'm about 3/4ths of the way
through them.
Anyone know if new manufactured 1/2 mag tape
Dwight wrote...
My main thinking was the best place to save a boot is to save it on paper.I
recall looking at mine to see how the flag worked.( not mass storage yet so
needed a serial loader ).
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Ah, gotcha. Yep, you're right!
On a few loaders where the part #'s were obscured, I had to
The H89 emulator is pretty fun :)
Thanks for the link!
J
John wrote
That is an authorized Bob Parker variation of his original Dick Smith ESR meter
kit. On this side of the pond they were made by Anatek until the owner was
killed in an accident, then the series (now called the Blue ESR) is made by
Alltronics and sold by dealers such as I.
Subscription suspended.
Next topic?
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Able Baker
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:06 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: IBM 026
oooh very
Marc wrote...
Well, hopefully this community is about celebrating people that have an
interest in saving old valuable hardware. Not bullying them.
Ditto. Offlist email sent.
Saving substantial hardware involves a substantial personal investment in
time and money. So, Todd, well
I apparently put Abel on Mod rather than UnSub, and then moderators approved
the messages.
Now he's been unsubbed and I checked both lists. However, be aware the list
archives are public.
J
Jay Jaeger wrote...
The one with the head in a yoke in my case is a 6053 aka Dasher D2.
Interesting. Apparently there are two different ones that look like this -
"head in a yoke".
The ones in the picture that you mentioned being "6053 aka Dasher D2" are
NOT the one that I have.
The
Jay Jaeger wrote...
??? What do you mean by "blue dg et head looking terminal" ???
I'd bet that he's referring to the Data General Dasher D200 terminal.
I have one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02/21058074082
But perhaps a better picture:
Ed wrote...
Pretty futile to restore until I have manuals and a load tape if
needed in front of me.
Not futile at all. Taking it apart, cleaning it up, replacing anything
obviously bad, checking out the power supply all things you can likely
do without a manual. You could go a
I decided to raid the front panel of my S/200 to get a switch cover and a
switch for the S/130; what can I say - I got antsy to see if the S/130
worked ;) When taking the S/200 front panel apart I found it really wasn't
in great shape as it had appeared to be from the outside. A large number of
That is simply gorgeous.
Shadoo wrote
However it's missing all the front panel switch levers, so I would need to
rebuild them, not having had the luck of finding some at reasonable price.
As a safety net, I was going to send one to another listmember that has a 3d
scanner/printer and see if they can
Mark wrote...
Also, that heap of DG stuff in the pictures looks really lovely!
Thank you... Those pictures don't even show a quarter of the DG gear
floating around here.
But honestly-unfortunately, it's simply WAY too much. Soon as I get one or
two good working Eclipses and one or two
So does anyone have a trashed/dead front panel for a Data General S/130
(S/200 would also work) that can be a donor? All I need are two
switches/paddles/Covers, but my S/200 front panel is perfect so I don't want
to rob from that for the S/130 project. One light blue, one dark blue...
Crossing my
Ed wrote
Seems like a ssd would make an idealfixed head replacement if it
has to swap swap swap all the time?
O.O
J
I'm doing some work today and possibly over the next few days related to ftp
services on the classiccmp server. Expect some squirrelyness over today
and/or through the weekend.
Also, since semi-retirement is now here... there will be some work finally
getting started on things related to
FTP on the classiccmp server should now be working more reliably for passive
mode. You may have to use "ftp.classiccmp.org" as opposed to your own DNS
name that may be hosted there.
Please test and advise me off-list if you still have any issues.
J
Ed wrote
ok pretty interesting but no driver for access-2000unfortunately !
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You could write it.
The paper tape emulator there needs no drivers. I have one, and it works
incredibly well (on HP2000 as well as every other environment).
As to the ide disk emulator...
Noel wrote.
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So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an
H960, running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to
maximize the value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system,
or to
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