It was thus said that the Great Mike Katz via cctalk once stated:
>
> I could spend pages just describing how the 68K chip just blows away the
> 8086 considering they were both released at about the same time.
Agree here. I loved the 68K and have fond memories of writing programs in
it. But
It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated:
> I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back
> when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I
> asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore.
One rule I remember (
It was thus said that the Great Sellam Abraham via cctalk once stated:
> Chris,
>
> Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews
> I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at
> generating (usually) working code in just about any language yo
It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated:
> Regarding the 1940s high school yearbook article I mentioned: I think it
> was 1942 - so the war was still hot. The two boys dropped the typing class
> since they had signed up for the Service and had other training
> commitme
It was thus said that the Great Tarek Hoteit via cctalk once stated:
> The latest issue of Mad Magazine (April 2023) is titled “MAD Takes Apart
> Technology”. The pages include reprints of past articles that relate to
> computers, such as “if computers are so brilliant” (Oct 1985), “13 things
> you
Some time ago I came across the MC6839 ROM which contains floating point
routines for the 6809. The documentation that came with it stated:
Written for Motorola by Joel Boney, 1980
Released into the public domain by Motorola in 1988
Docs and apps for Tandy Color Compute
It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith via cctalk once stated:
>
> The Intel iAPX 432 was also designed to explicitly support block-structured
> languages. The main language Intel pushed was Ada, but there was no
> technical reason it couldn't have supported Algol, Pascal, Modula, Euclid,
> Me
It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated:
> Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400
> > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run?
> >
> > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made their way t
It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated:
> Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote on Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 15:21:08 -0700
> > Thanks for the list--I was aware of the various Java engines and the WD
> > P-code engine, but had never run into the SCAMP.
>
> I just found an a
It was thus said that the Great Sean Conner via cctalk once stated:
> It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated:
>
> > You can declare
> > new variables inside { ... } and they will shadow variables with the
> > same name declared outsi
It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated:
> Sean Conner wrote two great posts on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:43:29 -0400
>
> These are all very good points. I agree I was exagerating by saying the
> iAPX432 and 8086 couldn't run C. After all, the language was born on the
It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
> > No even the following program:
> > int main (void) { return 0; }
> > is guaranteed to work
>
> I'm missing something: why not?
Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated:
>
>> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>
>> No even the following program:
>> int main (void) { return 0; }
>> is guaranteed to work
>
>I'm missing something: why not?
>
> It boils down to pedant
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated:
>It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
>> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>>
>> > No even the following program:
>> > int main (void) { return 0; }
>> > is guaranteed to
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> >>I'm considering doing something that actually
> >>downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it
> >>in sync periodically, but I haven't really
> >>looked at what's necessary for that.
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza
It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated:
> Great discussions about BASIC. I talked about the IBM 5110 flavor of
> BASIC last year (such as its FORM keyboard for quickly making structured
> input forms), and recently "re-learned" that it defaults to running with
> double
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> Besides slide rules, etc.
>
> If you have an analog computer consisting of a 5 gallon bucket, and a 3
> gallon bucket, and plenty of water available,
> What are the steps for a PROGRAM to get a result of 4 gallons of water in
It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated:
>
> I don't know about the VAX,but my gripe is the x86 and the 68000 don't
> automaticaly promote smaller data types to larger ones. What little
> programming I have done was in C never cared about that detail.
> Now I can see way it is
It was thus said that the Great jim stephens via cctalk once stated:
>
> IFBR14 if you all are not familiar with MVS / MVT batch programming is a
> program which immediately terminates w/o any return codes by doing an
> assembly language return to the caller of the job step via the contents
> o
It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated:
>
> On 11/25/18 5:42 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> > On 11/23/18 5:52 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
> >> Worse than that, it's *American* ignorance and cultural snobbery
> >> which also affects various English-sp
It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated:
> On 11/27/2018 04:43 PM, Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >Unpopular opinion time: Markup languages are a kludge, relying on plain
> >text to describe higher level concepts.
>
> I agree that markup languages are a kludg
It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated:
> I'm a bit dense for weighing in on this as my first post, but what the heck.
>
> Our problem isn't ASCII or Unicode, our problem is how we use computers.
>
> Going back in time a bit, the first keyboards only recorded lett
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
>
> >>I like the C comment example; Why do I need to call out a comment with
> >>a special sequence of letters? Why can't a comment exist as a comment?
>
> Why not a language even more self-documenting than COBOL, wherein the main
It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated:
> > I see no reason that we can't have new control codes to convey new
> > concepts if they are needed.
>
> I disagree with this; from a usability standpoint, control codes are
> problematic. Either the user needs to memorize
It was thus said that the Great Guy Dunphy via cctalk once stated:
>
> Anyway, back on topic (classic computing.) Here's an ascii chart with some
> control codes highlighted.
>
> http://everist.org/ASCII/ascii_reuse_legend.png
>
> I'm collecting all I can find on past (and present) uses of the
It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated:
> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...
> I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm
> and compact
> (as in under 4K). I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see
> if I need to and co
It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated:
> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...
> I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm
> and compact
> (as in under 4K). I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see
> if I need to and co
It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated:
> On 12/12/2018 03:04 PM, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote:
> > It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated:
> >> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...
> >> I wanted a ver
It was thus said that the Great Chris Hanson via cctalk once stated:
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate
> > frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating
> > since it's difficult to follow
It was thus said that the Great John Ball via cctalk once stated:
> >ELTRAN THE COMPILER
> >ANY DOCS? ANY ONE? USED IT?
> >(NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!))
> >
> >ED#
>
> Hey ed, you might want to check your Caps Lock key there, bud. ;)
My dad used to do that. At the time, I thought it was bec
It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated:
> On 1/13/2019 2:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> >Being an old hard-of-seeing guy myself, I much prefer mixed-case to
> >all-caps. All caps destroys the "shape" of words.
>
> Where is the $%!@ codepage for the ASR-33. Get all c
It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated:
> On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> >Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research
> >and gain experience.
>
> That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and
It was thus said that the Great Kevin Monceaux via cctalk once stated:
> Grant,
>
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see
> > the config, if it's still on there. That would very lik
It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated:
> On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> >>Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running?
> >
> >I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write,
> >parse and display.
> >
> That mi
It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated:
> A kindly donor sent me an external numeric keypad from Data General. It
> has the right keycaps and color for a DG One laptop. Model number
> 2568. Connection is via a 3-terminal plug; basically a miniature
> stereo headphon
It was thus said that the Great Jay West via cctalk once stated:
> No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER
> THAN* about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the
> old idea of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables
> there
It was thus said that the Great Tony Duell via cctalk once stated:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:21 PM, allison via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The tape recorders used had no agc. They were simple portables and used the
> > mic or line input and headphone output.
>
> I have to disagree with you
It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated:
> On 02/28/2017 03:40 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
> > Well I am using Thunderbird 45.7.1 and I see this "Chuck Guzis via
> > cctalk " as "From" in your message.
> >
>
> Hmmm, this is very puzzling. Your message does indeed show up a
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
> >What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when
> >bounces occur?
>
> This list displays (not "full headers"):
> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42
It was thus said that the Great David Griffith via cctalk once stated:
>
> I'm trying to convert some C code[1] so it'll compile on TOPS20 with KCC.
> KCC is mostly ANSI compliant, but it needs to use the TOPS20 linker, which
> has a limit of six case-insentive characters. Adam Thornton wrote a
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> >>Edsger Dijksta said, "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching
> >>should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense."
>
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, geneb wrote:
> >I'm pretty sure he said that about BASIC, and I'm totall
It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated:
>
> "The [8008] was commissioned by Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC) to
> implement an instruction set of their design for their Datapoint 2200
> programmable terminal. As the chip was delayed and did not meet CTC's
> performa
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> >I was perusing my old computer magazine collection the other day and
> >came across an article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real
> >Computers you assemble yourself”
It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated:
>
> The industry was loaded with that the 6502 series also had that going on
> as well as the 6809 and others.
Do you have any information about undocumented opcodes for the 6809?
-spc
It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson via cctalk once stated:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM, dwight via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> > In order to connect to the outside world, you need a way to queue event
> > based on cycle counts, execution of particular address or particular
> > inst
It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated:
> On 10/24/2018 12:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> >It's true that the original 8086 instruction set lives on with all its
> >warts, and many more added over the years. And yes, I guess that you
> >*can* run them in 32 bit segmented mode
It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated:
> Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
>
> What I was thinking back
It was thus said that the Great Will Cooke via cctalk once stated:
>
> > On 01/29/2021 4:42 PM David Barto via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable -Werror;
> > all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even when everyone
> > claims that “The
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> >Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable
> >-Werror; all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even
> >when everyone claims that “These are not a problem”. Before
> >that existed, I’d do the same wit
It was thus said that the Great Norman Jaffe via cctalk once stated:
>
> It happened to me as well - I found hundreds of warnings in the code and,
> after getting permission to address them, I was fired
Wait ... you got *permission* and were still *fired*? Have I just been
fortunate in where
It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated:
> On 1/29/21 4:12 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >>On 01/29/2021 2:58 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>'=' and '==' makes possible what is probably the most common error, and
> >>which the compiler doesn't
It was thus said that the Great Rob Jarratt via cctalk once stated:
> I have a DECstation 220 (Olivetti M250E) which is failing POST on a "simple
> test of the 80286 protected mode". It says in a service manual I have that
> for this test the CPU is set in the protected mode, the machine status wor
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