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On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 11:28 AM Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > Perhaps it would be a good idea to upload de-interleaved images along with > the .IMD, .DSK and a quick document that explains the situation. Otherwise > we will have this coming up every now and then and people will scratch > their

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

> On Aug 5, 2023, at 2:25 AM, Nigel Williams via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:16 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to? >> > > From here: >

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Ok, let me get a camera too. If I can find a spare RD51 I'll try doing an install (I don't think this version supported the RD53. Maybe it did) C On 8/4/2023 3:38 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: Chris, Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy! May I politely repeat

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Could you please invite me to the discord channel "minicomputers"? Thanks! Ulli Am Sa., 5. Aug. 2023 um 06:08 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord > channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:16 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to? > From here: https://groups.google.com/g/net.micro/c/_HXPyIyrSwo/m/MuWDLNE8P48J "Micro-RSTS comes with RSTS/E V8.0". This means that while buying

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if RSTS/E loads, it might need an RD52 or 53 drive in order to work. I can drag out an RD54 and format/test/give it a shot here but the only other drives I have right now are RD50

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On 8/4/2023 1:39 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: Has anyone tested Chris' images with real RX50s and a real PDP-11? If not, could please someone try the MicroRSTS V2.1 images? Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to? bill

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Chris, Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy! May I politely repeat Mattis' request to scan the disk labels? I'm especially interested in the DEC order numbers (like "BL-X-XX") that are printed on them - I use them as the primary key in my DECdoc database. The floppy names

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Thank you I will rescan the third disk. On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" wrote: >I did some testing on the image sets using simh. >I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50 >, because simh expects them to be in >logical

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Has anyone tested Chris' images with real RX50s and a real PDP-11? If not, could please someone try the MicroRSTS V2.1 images? Thanks! Ulli Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 18:33 Uhr schrieb Hans-Ulrich Hölscher < vaxorc...@googlemail.com>: > I did some testing on the image sets using simh. > I had to

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Did you build SIMH with the latest fixes? Within the past few weeks I merged a fix to the RQ device emulation. The previous code would mishandle a detach followed by attach on what was supposed to be a device supporting removable media, and that error message sounds familiar. paul >

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

I did some testing on the image sets using simh. I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50 , because simh expects them to be in logical order. Results: ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error: *sim> ATT RQ2

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher wrote: Is it possible that there is a Linux version of ImageDisk? I found a signature "IMD Linux 0.19" in the P/OS images from Yes, it's my own version that I wrote. It uses ioctl() for direct floppy access (not libdisk). I much prefer a command line

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On 7/29/2023 12:36 PM, emanuel stiebler wrote: On 2023-07-29 13:57, Bjoren Davis via cctalk wrote: I never made a push to publish it because by the time I got to it the parts (Cypress CY62167G-45ZXI SRAM and ATF1504AS-10AU100 CPLD) had become unobtainable. The SRAM can still be find, but

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

On 2023-07-29 13:57, Bjoren Davis via cctalk wrote: Paul, A couple of years ago I did design and build a new daughterboard with modern SRAM that supports up to 2 MiB of RAM on the PC/380 and up to 512 KiB on the PC/350. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/eBNkBw8x Cool! It even works.

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

I'll have to look that pro380 technical book up, I've always referred to my XT100 documents but those were pre-release for the Pro/350. Now for the real 50k question: Does the AVO socket next to it take the same board format for the 8 bit color video memory? Anyone have a picture of the AVO

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

On 2023-07-29 13:36, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: The Pro Technical Manual (on Bitsavers) answers a bunch of these questions. If I remember right, the 380 will accept 350 memory daugher cards but also larger-capacity cards (bigger chips) that are 380 only. Also, the wiring for the board

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Paul, A couple of years ago I did design and build a new daughterboard with modern SRAM that supports up to 2 MiB of RAM on the PC/380 and up to 512 KiB on the PC/350. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/eBNkBw8x It even works. I never made a push to publish it because by the time I got to

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

> On Jul 29, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Possible. I see that Xhomer includes a version of RT11, and when I looked at > that I saw that the .MAC files for the DZ and whatever the disk is (DY?) > drivers appear to be there. So it might not be impossible to write

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> On Jul 29, 2023, at 12:45 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Answering my own question: Yes it does work. My Pro/380 now sees 320kw of > memory instead of 256kw. > > Now to buy some sockets and upgrade these boards to 256kw each. One can go in > the Pro/350 and the other plus the

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Possible. I see that Xhomer includes a version of RT11, and when I looked at that I saw that the .MAC files for the DZ and whatever the disk is (DY?) drivers appear to be there. So it might not be impossible to write the drivers in M+ based on that. Maybe. On 7/29/2023 11:00 AM, Lee Gleason

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Answering my own question: Yes it does work. My Pro/380 now sees 320kw of memory instead of 256kw. Now to buy some sockets and upgrade these boards to 256kw each. One can go in the Pro/350 and the other plus the memory boards should take my Pro/380 to almost 1kw. I wonder if the CTI memory

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Meantime a question: The pro/350 has two memory daughter cards on the board. The Pro/380 appears to have a spot on the motherboard that takes the same size card. Can one use a Pro/350 internal memory board (not CTI) on the Pro/380 motherboard? Wondering before I plug this in On 7/29/2023

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  Sounds like these may the long lost P/OS drivers. Contact Jörg Hoppe at RETROCMP - he's been scanning in a lot of DEC fiche of late. http://retrocmp.com/ -- Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants lee.glea...@comcast.net

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On 7/28/23 20:19, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Well, then it wanted it write unlocked (no way on a install disk), so I used Imagedisk to write a copy, popped it in and with a quick "access" it started the program and now it doesn't need the disk. This sounds suspiciously like something I

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

This is why I put them up in .imd (ImageDisk, it works on DOS) and .img (image). Oddly enough I went to install SPSS/X on xHomer and it blew the emulator sky high (crashed the "Pro"). Then I put it on my real 380 running 3.2. It installed but when I ran it the program displayed the opening

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I have no idea, I know nothing about IMD format. Is there a spec? Is it open? paul > On Jul 28, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > Paul, > > Doesn't .IMD format have extra headers and metadata that means you can't just > dd it to the raw device? > > Warner > > On Fri, Jul

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Paul, Doesn't .IMD format have extra headers and metadata that means you can't just dd it to the raw device? Warner On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 8:09 AM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > If you want to copy raw floppy image files to the device, a simple "dd" > command will

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If you want to copy raw floppy image files to the device, a simple "dd" command will serve, if you first use fdparm to set /dev/fd1 to 10 sectors per track. paul > On Jul 28, 2023, at 8:04 AM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk > wrote: > > Is it possible that there is a Linux version

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Is it possible that there is a Linux version of ImageDisk? I found a signature "IMD Linux 0.19" in the P/OS images from ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dec/pro3xx If so, could you please provide a source or link for the said software? Thanks a lot! Ulli Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2023, Paul Koning wrote: Agreed. The SIMH logic is that the container file addressing matches the addressing exposed at the interface between device and driver. In the RX50 case, that is "logical order" because the MSCP controllers work that way. Conversely, in XHomer it's

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2023, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: >> Really? So SIMH doesn't work with the images, or it's "slow"? >> I prefer to keep images close to "real" as I may want to write them back to >> physical floppies. For

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2023, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Really? So SIMH doesn't work with the images, or it's "slow"? I prefer to keep images close to "real" as I may want to write them back to physical floppies. For reference, these images do work with um the Goteks which is what I would use to

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Really? So SIMH doesn't work with the images, or it's "slow"? > > I prefer to keep images close to "real" as I may want to write them back to > physical floppies. For reference, these images do work with um the Goteks

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023, Chris Zach wrote: Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in the distro) however are these disks out there now? Anything of interest on our archive site?

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Really? So SIMH doesn't work with the images, or it's "slow"? I prefer to keep images close to "real" as I may want to write them back to physical floppies. For reference, these images do work with um the Goteks which is what I would use to load onto real equipment. Why in the name of

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

Den tors 27 juli 2023 kl 17:12 skrev Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > > > > On Jul 27, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Yah. One problem with me is that I have the detail skills of a gopher. > So I'm not the best person to try

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Yah. One problem with me is that I have the detail skills of a gopher. So I'm > not the best person to try and add proper metadata to files. > > That said, they are a bit minimally descriptive due to DOS 8.3 naming >

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Yah. One problem with me is that I have the detail skills of a gopher. So I'm not the best person to try and add proper metadata to files. That said, they are a bit minimally descriptive due to DOS 8.3 naming conventions. I'll take some pictures of the floppies and add a text document

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Chris, Den tors 27 juli 2023 kl 00:55 skrev Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and > https://www.crystel.com/pro350 Would you mind adding some kind of metadata to the files, please! A simple photo of the diskette with the same

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Fixed. I think it's Ultrix 11, MicroRSTS/E 2.1 and MicroRSX 2.1 Chris On 7/26/2023 8:43 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 26, 2023, at 6:54 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and https://www.crystel.com/pro350 MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E,

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 6:54 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and > https://www.crystel.com/pro350 > > MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss Great stuff -- but could you fix the protections? I see 121 files listed, but only

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:29 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk > wrote: > >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that >> 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad >> disk in the distro) however are these disks out there now? > > I appear to

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> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that > 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad > disk in the distro) however are these disks out there now? I appear to have diskette sets including Pro Hard Disk 3.0, a 3.1 update set, DECnet Pro,

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Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and https://www.crystel.com/pro350 MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: Chris, I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for POS. I have a manual for

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Hm. I never thought of running it on RSX11M+. I think it used the Pro's video for graphs and could do amazing bitmaps on the LA50, but I'll bet it just uses VT125/131 codes to talk to the display as opposed to accessing the Pro's bitmap registers. I'll see if I can read it in now. On

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Chris, I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to try to get the software running under RSX11M+ if possible. Thanks, Mark > On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > From: Chris Zach

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Hi Chris, I have images of Pro/Venix 1.0 and 2.0 (for the 380) with the serial generator. I'll have the _check_ though. Best, -John Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in the