[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Ha ha guess what! Turns out I HAVE the OPT 001 Operators manual as well. Background: I bought a very beat-up 1640B (no HP-IB option) early last year. Started to work on it while also hunting the manuals. Got stuck needing some parts I didn't have. Put the unit aside, disassembled in a box, till those could be found. Then had major life distractions, including a trip to the USA late last year, and some illness this year. This thread reminded me, I should resume that restoration. Found the manuals, which I store in big ziplock bags. One has the 'user manuals' which for the 1640B are small-format black-covered booklets. Several copies, since they tend to get included with service manauls and such. I just now thought to check in that bag. And I do have the OPT 001 Operator's guide after all. Will try to scan it asap. A bit more difficult, as it's staple-bound, and uses color screening.
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Btw, if you are looking for other relatively cheap early HP-IB peripherals, there are these: Early HP-IB peripherals === HP 59000 Series HP-IB Accessory Modules https://www.prc68.com/I/HP59000.shtml When HP first came out with HP-IB they also offered a line of HP-IB "Glue" accessory modules to help in constructing automated test systems. All these instruments predated IEEE-488.1 and do not have any of the IEEE-488.2 capability. That's to say they all use the "R2D2" type of commands. The example code is typically based on something like a 9825 calculator. Most have their covers held on with Pozi Drive 2 screws. eg HP Catatalogs 1978 pg 26, 1989 pg 562 HP 59301A ASCII to Parallel Converter HP 59303A Digital-Analog-Converter HP 59304A Numeric Display HP 59306A HP-IB Relay Actuator HP 59307A Dual VHF Switch HP 59308A Timing Generator HP 59309A HP-IB Digital Clock HP 59313A 4 Chan A/D Converter HP 59401A Bus System Analyzer HP 59403A Common Carrier Interface HP 59500A Multiprogrammer HP-IB Interface HP 59501A Isolated DAC/Power Supply Programmer (Isolated DAC) cat 1979 pg 228 Prices vary; some can be very cheap. The 59309A HP-IB Digital Clock is rare and expensive, and manuals are even rarer.
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
In actually reading that manual as I scanned it, I first noticed the mention of the operator's manual. Should have realized before that there would be one. Searched this morning.. and found this on ebay: 10281-90905 Operator's Guide Model 1640B/Opt 001 Programmable Serial Da This listing was ended by the seller on Fri, Nov 8 at 6:49 AM because the item is no longer available. Ha ha ha rats. Maybe this thread prompted someone else to find and buy it. Oh well that's life. Now for a presumably very long ebay search string wait.
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
On Fri, Nov 8, 2024, 7:31 AM TerraHertz via cctalk wrote: > Here's the manual for the 1640B HP-IB option board: > http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/ > > And as a zip file: > http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/HP_1640B_OPT_001.zip > (4.4MB) > The parts list shows an HP 1AA6-6004 HPIB PHI chip. If anyone is curious about that chip, Ken Shirriff has a detailed post about it here: https://www.righto.com/2023/12/HP-silicon-on-sapphire-phi-chip.html >
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Great, thank you so much! There's a lot of very useful information there - including some commands that I can use to test the interface, so I'm very very happy. It also sort-of confirms that the ID? command isn't there, so more confidence that my unit is working correctly. No complete list of the commands (maybe that's in the operator manual after all?), although there's enough to have a solid base to start reverse engineering from - and maybe make the testing a bit more interesting :-) Again, thanks! Sytse > On 8 Nov 2024, at 16:23, TerraHertz via cctalk wrote: > > Here's the manual for the 1640B HP-IB option board: > http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/ > > And as a zip file: > http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/HP_1640B_OPT_001.zip > (4.4MB)
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Here's the manual for the 1640B HP-IB option board: http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/ And as a zip file: http://everist.org/archives/scans/HP_1640B_OPT_001/HP_1640B_OPT_001.zip (4.4MB)
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 8:41 PM Holm Tiffe via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I have an HP1631D Logic Analyzer and it has an HPIB (GPIB) Port too, but > > as far as I know it is only used to connect a special HP Floppy Disc Drive > > with HPIB bus, the HP9122 for example, others exist, even a hard drive. > > It is used to load and store measurements and loading disassemblers. > > Maybe it can handle a printer too. > > The HP 163x logic analyzer GPIB interface can be used for remote > control of the analyzer. > > See Appendix C, Using the HP-IB or HP-IL Interface > http://www.bitsavers.org/test_equipment/hp/163x/01630-90907_1630_Operating_Manual_Oct83.pdf > > See Chapter 10, Using HP-IB or HP-IL Interface: > http://www.bitsavers.org/test_equipment/hp/163x/01631-90904_1631oper_Aug85.pdf > > > (BTW: does someone have Z80 an 6809 Disassemblers for the 1631D?) > > Yes, those exist. > https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/searching-for-a-hp-1630-hp-1631-inverse-assembler-files/ Thanks Glen! Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 i...@tsht.de Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
For some reason my 2nd reply (via email) didn't appear. This: Update: Found it! It's short, I can scan and upload tonight/tomorrow. Manual PN 10281-90904 Jan 1983 Includes HP-IB commands, schematics, etc. Incidentally, if anyone has the actual 10281A board they'd sell, I'm interested. And/or a whole, reasonable condition 1640B. Mine is in very poor condition. Which is not great, since it's mainly for 'vintage HP collection' reasons. Guy
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
1640B is a very different thing - I should've added that it's basically a glorified RS232 breakout box, and nothing like a 'logic analyzer'. It definitely won't connect to peripherals itself - there's a very obvious lack of buttons and menus to configure something like that. I suspect that the GPIB functionality will be about managing what is in the programmable buffers that it can send out in response to some input on the serial link it is monitoring. But how :-) > On 7 Nov 2024, at 22:32, Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote: > > Sytse van Slooten via cctalk wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any >> information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward enough >> (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) I can >> not find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. >> >> The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to >> the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a >> different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now >> using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... >> >> The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message on >> the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard >> is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least >> something is working. >> >> Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at >> least to know which GPIB commands are implemented. >> >> thanks in advance! >> >> Sytse > > I have an HP1631D Logic Analyzer and it has an HPIB (GPIB) Port too, but > as far as I know it is only used to connect a special HP Floppy Disc Drive > with HPIB bus, the HP9122 for example, others exist, even a hard drive. > It is used to load and store measurements and loading disassemblers. > Maybe it can handle a printer too. > I've got such an HP9122 later and tested it with the Analyzer...works. > (BTW: does someone have Z80 an 6809 Disassemblers for the 1631D?) > > Regards, > Holm > -- > Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, >Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 > i...@tsht.de Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741 >
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 8:41 PM Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote: > > I have an HP1631D Logic Analyzer and it has an HPIB (GPIB) Port too, but > as far as I know it is only used to connect a special HP Floppy Disc Drive > with HPIB bus, the HP9122 for example, others exist, even a hard drive. > It is used to load and store measurements and loading disassemblers. > Maybe it can handle a printer too. The HP 163x logic analyzer GPIB interface can be used for remote control of the analyzer. See Appendix C, Using the HP-IB or HP-IL Interface http://www.bitsavers.org/test_equipment/hp/163x/01630-90907_1630_Operating_Manual_Oct83.pdf See Chapter 10, Using HP-IB or HP-IL Interface: http://www.bitsavers.org/test_equipment/hp/163x/01631-90904_1631oper_Aug85.pdf > (BTW: does someone have Z80 an 6809 Disassemblers for the 1631D?) Yes, those exist. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/searching-for-a-hp-1630-hp-1631-inverse-assembler-files/
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
How ironic. I have a 1640B _without_ the HPIB option board. I've been trying to find that board to buy, without any luck so far. But I _did_ buy this: "HP 01281-90904 1640B OPTION 001 install & service manual (10281A) (HP-IB)" Now to try to find it, and see if it's short enough to be an easy scan. Guy At 08:36 PM 7/11/2024 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any >information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward enough >(and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) I can not >find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. > >The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to the >PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a different >target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now using. And the >1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... > >The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message on >the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard >is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least >something is working. > >Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at least >to know which GPIB commands are implemented. > >thanks in advance! > >Sytse
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
There's also this one. May be more or less likely to have HPIB commands than the service manuals. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232562875321 On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 11:24 PM Adrian Godwin wrote: > You could try > > https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/messages > https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment > https://groups.io/g/logicanalyzers/messages > > I couldn't see it on BAMA of K04BB but there are others. > The other possibility is to pull and read the ROMs - sometimes HPIB > commands show up as literal text. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Sytse van Slooten via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Yeah I saw that, but I'm a bit reluctant to blindly pay USD 50 for >> something that might not even have any detail on what I'm looking for. >> After all, I don't need a full manual, and certainly not a collector-worthy >> copy. I just need this specific information. >> >> > On 7 Nov 2024, at 22:30, Wayne S wrote: >> > >> > There are some available on ebay. Just search “hp 2640b” >> > >> > Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200. >> > >> >> On Nov 7, 2024, at 11:41, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find >> any information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward >> enough (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) >> I can not find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. >> >> >> >> The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB >> support to the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test >> against a different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter >> I'm now using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... >> >> >> >> The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error >> message on the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard >> is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least >> something is working. >> >> >> >> Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful >> at least to know which GPIB commands are implemented. >> >> >> >> thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> Sytse >> >>
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
You could try https://groups.io/g/VintHPcom/messages https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment https://groups.io/g/logicanalyzers/messages I couldn't see it on BAMA of K04BB but there are others. The other possibility is to pull and read the ROMs - sometimes HPIB commands show up as literal text. On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Sytse van Slooten via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Yeah I saw that, but I'm a bit reluctant to blindly pay USD 50 for > something that might not even have any detail on what I'm looking for. > After all, I don't need a full manual, and certainly not a collector-worthy > copy. I just need this specific information. > > > On 7 Nov 2024, at 22:30, Wayne S wrote: > > > > There are some available on ebay. Just search “hp 2640b” > > > > Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200. > > > >> On Nov 7, 2024, at 11:41, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find > any information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward > enough (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) > I can not find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. > >> > >> The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support > to the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a > different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now > using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... > >> > >> The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error > message on the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard > is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least > something is working. > >> > >> Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at > least to know which GPIB commands are implemented. > >> > >> thanks in advance! > >> > >> Sytse > >
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Bitsavers has some manuals for 1630 and 1650. Maybe those will give you enough info to be useful? Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200 > On Nov 7, 2024, at 13:49, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk > wrote: > > Yeah I saw that, but I'm a bit reluctant to blindly pay USD 50 for something > that might not even have any detail on what I'm looking for. After all, I > don't need a full manual, and certainly not a collector-worthy copy. I just > need this specific information. > >> On 7 Nov 2024, at 22:30, Wayne S wrote: >> >> There are some available on ebay. Just search “hp 2640b” >> >> Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200. >> On Nov 7, 2024, at 11:41, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any >>> information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward >>> enough (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) >>> I can not find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. >>> >>> The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to >>> the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a >>> different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now >>> using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... >>> >>> The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message >>> on the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard >>> is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least >>> something is working. >>> >>> Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at >>> least to know which GPIB commands are implemented. >>> >>> thanks in advance! >>> >>> Sytse >
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Yeah I saw that, but I'm a bit reluctant to blindly pay USD 50 for something that might not even have any detail on what I'm looking for. After all, I don't need a full manual, and certainly not a collector-worthy copy. I just need this specific information. > On 7 Nov 2024, at 22:30, Wayne S wrote: > > There are some available on ebay. Just search “hp 2640b” > > Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200. > >> On Nov 7, 2024, at 11:41, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any >> information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward enough >> (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) I can >> not find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. >> >> The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to >> the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a >> different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now >> using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... >> >> The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message on >> the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard >> is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least >> something is working. >> >> Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at >> least to know which GPIB commands are implemented. >> >> thanks in advance! >> >> Sytse
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
Sytse van Slooten via cctalk wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any > information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward enough > (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) I can not > find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. > > The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to > the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a > different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now > using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... > > The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message on > the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard > is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least > something is working. > > Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at least > to know which GPIB commands are implemented. > > thanks in advance! > > Sytse I have an HP1631D Logic Analyzer and it has an HPIB (GPIB) Port too, but as far as I know it is only used to connect a special HP Floppy Disc Drive with HPIB bus, the HP9122 for example, others exist, even a hard drive. It is used to load and store measurements and loading disassemblers. Maybe it can handle a printer too. I've got such an HP9122 later and tested it with the Analyzer...works. (BTW: does someone have Z80 an 6809 Disassemblers for the 1631D?) Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 i...@tsht.de Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
[cctalk] Re: looking for HP 1640B GPIB info
There are some available on ebay. Just search “hp 2640b” Sent from my Dec Alphastation 200. > On Nov 7, 2024, at 11:41, Sytse van Slooten via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a HP 1640B that I'm trying to get to work. However I can't find any > information about it, and while the machine itself it straightforward enough > (and I remember enough from when I was using it in my first dayjob) I can not > find anything about how to use the GPIB interface that it has. > > The reason I'm interested is, we've finally managed to add GPIB support to > the PDP2011-MINC fpga implementation, and I'd like to test against a > different target than the relatively modern Philips/Fluke counter I'm now > using. And the 1640B is the only other GPIB instrument I have... > > The HP doesn't seem to know the ID? command (that causes an error message on > the screen). It does respond to a newline (the standard > is-this-listener-present test that the MINC code implements), so at least > something is working. > > Does anyone here have any docs on the HP 1640B? It'd be very helpful at least > to know which GPIB commands are implemented. > > thanks in advance! > > Sytse
