Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Walter F.J. Mueller]

Hi,

after I remarked in November last year that the cctech archives have been `lost`
Jay West responded

> Walter
>
> I think you need to ask a few questions before you toss that kind of nonsense 
out.
>
> For your info - this is a hobby. It is done in spare time. The time period you
> peak of - the archives have NOT been lost. Because unlike what you intone - we
> do care. Those archives are safe and sound, just not in a publicly accessible
> format. One of our kind list members has been working for eons to reconstruct
> the publicly viewable content from them.
>
> I will tell him that you are going to volunteer to help him.

Well, it is certainly true that the archives visible under
  http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
only go back to November 2014.

Thanks to the Internet Archive there is a full backup of the older
archive sections readily available online. Simply open

  
http://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

and one gets all archives from October 2014 back to February 2005.

There I found the postings I was looking for, and updated my links to use
http://web.archive.org/. That's all.

So in a wider sense nothing is lost, one has to search in the right place.

With best regards,  Walter

RE: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Jason Scott]

I am happy to provide material support towards this project.

On Oct 12, 2016 10:29 PM, "Jay West"  wrote:

> Walter
>
> I think you need to ask a few questions before you toss that kind of
> nonsense out.
>
> For your info - this is a hobby. It is done in spare time. The time period
> you speak of - the archives have NOT been lost. Because unlike what you
> intone - we do care. Those archives are safe and sound, just not in a
> publicly accessible format. One of our kind listmembers has been working
> for eons to reconstruct the publicly viewable content from them.
>
> I will tell him that you are going to volunteer to help him.
>
> J
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Walter
> F.J. Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: cct...@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?
>
> Hi,
>
> I detected that links I had to previous postings where invalid. Looking at
>
>http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
>
> I see that the archives before November 2014 are lost. When I look into
> the WayBackMachine I see
>
>https://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.
> classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
>https://web.archive.org/web/20150103042513/http://www.
> classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
>
> that between October 25th. 2014 and January 3rd, 2015 some incident
> happened which wiped out the archives before November 2014.
>
> How comes that the 'classical computing' lost it's memory ??
>
>
>  With best regards,   Walter
>
>
> P.S.: It's a bit astonishing to me that a list like cctech, which is
>in some ways about history, has lost it's own history, and even
>doesn't seem to care about it.
>
>
>

Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Sam O'nella]

Good find on archive.org even in .gz format still. I'm fairly positive the 
incident was discussed on the mailing list and vcfed. Issues happen and it was 
a perfect storm.
I like to chock it up to new technology failing us. ;-)
Kudos to Jay for keeping this alive as well as he does. Lots of great history 
and stories are definitely discovered and archived here.

Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[j...@cimmeri.com]

Just curious, what was the incident that happened?

- J.

On 10/12/2016 9:29 PM, Jay West wrote:

Walter

I think you need to ask a few questions before you toss that kind of nonsense 
out.

For your info - this is a hobby. It is done in spare time. The time period you 
speak of - the archives have NOT been lost. Because unlike what you intone - we 
do care. Those archives are safe and sound, just not in a publicly accessible 
format. One of our kind listmembers has been working for eons to reconstruct 
the publicly viewable content from them.

I will tell him that you are going to volunteer to help him.

J

-Original Message-
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Walter F.J. 
Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:22 PM
To: cct...@classiccmp.org
Subject: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

Hi,

I detected that links I had to previous postings where invalid. Looking at

http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

I see that the archives before November 2014 are lost. When I look into the 
WayBackMachine I see


https://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

https://web.archive.org/web/20150103042513/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

that between October 25th. 2014 and January 3rd, 2015 some incident happened 
which wiped out the archives before November 2014.

How comes that the 'classical computing' lost it's memory ??

  With best regards,   Walter

P.S.: It's a bit astonishing to me that a list like cctech, which is
in some ways about history, has lost it's own history, and even
doesn't seem to care about it.

RE: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Jay West]

Walter

I think you need to ask a few questions before you toss that kind of nonsense 
out.

For your info - this is a hobby. It is done in spare time. The time period you 
speak of - the archives have NOT been lost. Because unlike what you intone - we 
do care. Those archives are safe and sound, just not in a publicly accessible 
format. One of our kind listmembers has been working for eons to reconstruct 
the publicly viewable content from them.

I will tell him that you are going to volunteer to help him.

J

-Original Message-
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Walter F.J. 
Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:22 PM
To: cct...@classiccmp.org
Subject: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

Hi,

I detected that links I had to previous postings where invalid. Looking at

   http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

I see that the archives before November 2014 are lost. When I look into the 
WayBackMachine I see

   
https://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
   
https://web.archive.org/web/20150103042513/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

that between October 25th. 2014 and January 3rd, 2015 some incident happened 
which wiped out the archives before November 2014.

How comes that the 'classical computing' lost it's memory ??


 With best regards,   Walter


P.S.: It's a bit astonishing to me that a list like cctech, which is
   in some ways about history, has lost it's own history, and even
   doesn't seem to care about it.

Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Paul Koning]

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Walter F.J. Mueller  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I detected that links I had to previous postings where invalid. Looking at
> 
>  http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
> 
> I see that the archives before November 2014 are lost. When I look into the
> WayBackMachine I see
> 
>  
> https://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
>  
> https://web.archive.org/web/20150103042513/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
> 
> that between October 25th. 2014 and January 3rd, 2015 some incident
> happened which wiped out the archives before November 2014.

I suppose that means they could be restored from archive.org...

paul

Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 2:22 PM, Walter F.J. Mueller wrote:

Hi,

I detected that links I had to previous postings where invalid. 
Looking at


  http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

I see that the archives before November 2014 are lost. When I look 
into the

WayBackMachine I see

https://web.archive.org/web/20141025062159/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/
https://web.archive.org/web/20150103042513/http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/

that between October 25th. 2014 and January 3rd, 2015 some incident
happened which wiped out the archives before November 2014.

How comes that the 'classical computing' lost it's memory ??


With best regards,   Walter


P.S.: It's a bit astonishing to me that a list like cctech, which is
  in some ways about history, has lost it's own history, and even
  doesn't seem to care about it

I don't think the PS applies.  I sent you my archive via PM.

I don't know how the links on the archive pages are set up, but editing 
and adding it back there in a form that matches what pipermail has done 
is probably the problem.


I didn't capture from 9/2012 thru the Oct 2014 date, if someone has 
those saved or for that matter thru present complete month, I'd 
appreciate that.

thanks
Jim

Re: Where are the cctech archives before November 2014 ?

[Paul Koning]

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Walter F.J. Mueller  
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> P.S.: It's a bit astonishing to me that a list like cctech, which is
>  in some ways about history, has lost it's own history, and even
>  doesn't seem to care about it.

Perhaps no one noticed?  Not all mailing lists have widely used archives.  
Especially mailman archives that have no search feature.

paul