Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-12 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:31 Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > it's also possible that > since the -PA to -PV involved a faster clock, I wonder if some backplane > lines turned into twisted pair, or coax? PA used 25 MHz (40 ns cycle). PV and PW used 33 MHz (33.3 ns cycle). I don't think PA to PV

Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-11 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Eric Smith > two separate backplanes that are combined for the RH20s (if > present), one backplane for the A through D positions (upper 2/3 of > each module slot), and one for E and F. How odd. DEC was quite happy to do hex backplanes elsewhere, and it looks from the

Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-09 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 4:44 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Could an -A be upgraded to a -B by swapping the I/O backplane? Electrically, yes, but physically it might not be easy. The portions of the chassis that support the backplanes are different, and the power

Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-09 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> Erom: Eric Smith Hey, thanks for taking the time to provide all those details. As you no doubt saw, our emails crossed; I had managed to work out my own what the difference was. I'd been looking at this page: http://corestore.org/DEC2065.htm and saw the two backplanes, and assumed one

Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-08 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> So my new theory is that it's the MBox (either the backplane, the > boards, or the wiring from it to connectors, etc) that is the difference > between the KL10-A and the KL10-B. So I wuz confused; the second backplane is not the MBox (which is apparently on the main CPU backplane),

Re: KL10-A/KL10-B differences

2019-07-08 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:30 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > So early KL10's (KL10-A's, to be precise) only support a single DTE20, and > no RH20's. Later ones supported up to 4 of the former, and up to 8 of the > latter. > That's because the 1080 has different I/O