Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-08 Thread Adrian Graham via cctalk
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 16:58, Ali via cctalk wrote: > > >> Ugh this is old and has nothing to do with what we do >> >> Also is has nothing to do with what anyone is discussing. >> >> The guy make exact copies of restore CDs with Dell and Microsoft >> labels, so they were counterfeit. > > In

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-08 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
Heh. I'm a Microsoft Admin (in addition to doing all the other IT stuff around here)... and I hate Microsoft too, but somehow I don't want to convert the entire company to Linux (the most important system here, the manufacturing system, runs on Linux). I think that would make my life, not worth

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-08 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
Unfortunately, I have to use Windoze as most medical software is M$ centric. Also, started using VB in about 1991 which allowed me to create windows easily rather than using Hypercard on Mac. As with most M$ programs, they decided to replace a perfectly functional VB6 which allowed one to

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/07/2019 12:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I hear you--I've been on Linux for day-to-day stuff for quite a few years, but keep a copy of XP on VirtualBox just in case. Some of the older systems that I have legacy peripherals in also require Windows, but it's all old versions. I

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Hello all, The problem as I see it are all of the sheep that buy pre-configured boxes from the likes of Dell and other such providers. They don't get the OS disc. They only receive restore discs. Most of these users only know how to turn on the power and operate the keyboard and/or mouse.

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread alan--- via cctalk
On 2019-10-07 08:49, corey cohen via cctalk wrote: So for example I own a DVD of raiders of the lost ark, I’m allowed to make a backup for myself. Just beware I don't believe there has been a DMCA challenge that validates your claim yet. Fair-use is always subjective. And truth often

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Ali via cctalk
> "In 2013, federal authorities intercepted shipments of 28,000 restore > discs that Lundgren had manufactured in China and sent to his sales > partner in Florida. The discs had labels nearly identical to the discs > provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos. > “If I

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/7/19 8:28 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: > Its been a while but same game and I'm not a player. > > I just don't run windows. I jumped that ship back in 06 when > burned on NT. Since then its Linux. If you play in the swamp > of M$ then your run all the risks and costs. Its just not good

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Christian Liendo via cctalk
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:58 AM Ali wrote: > In none of the stories I have read, and I admit I haven't been following this > closely, there has been no mention of labels being copied (i.e. logos, > graphics, etc.). If he did do this then yes he screwed himself royally. > > -Ali >

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Ugh this is old and has nothing to do with what we do > > Also is has nothing to do with what anyone is discussing. > > The guy make exact copies of restore CDs with Dell and Microsoft > labels, so they were counterfeit. In none of the stories I have read, and I admit I haven't been

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Christian Liendo via cctalk
Ugh this is old and has nothing to do with what we do Also is has nothing to do with what anyone is discussing. The guy make exact copies of restore CDs with Dell and Microsoft labels, so they were counterfeit.

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread allison via cctalk
Its been a while but same game and I'm not a player. I just don't run windows. I jumped that ship back in 06 when burned on NT. Since then its Linux. If you play in the swamp of M$ then your run all the risks and costs. Its just not good enough to be worth the pain. Any new machine I might

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
original license holder being the purchaser. If he had given the discs away with a refurbished system, even if he worked the price into the system price, with a license I think he would have been fine. US Customs looks for items with trademarks of certain protected brands and then you get in

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Ali via cctalk
> I think what screwed the guy selling the 25 cent computer disks is that > Microsoft, according to the article ,sells $25 replacement restore > disks. So technically he is counterfeiting a current Microsoft > product, the physical restore disk they sell. I am not sure about the veracity of

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I'm glad retirement is now only 15 years away... no make that 17, soon to be 20? On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:13, jwest--- via cctalk wrote: > I'm fairly sure that the (near) future will be OSaaS, and you will be > paying monthly for your Windows Vi... er... OS. Not just your office >

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread jwest--- via cctalk
I'm fairly sure that the (near) future will be OSaaS, and you will be paying monthly for your Windows Vi... er... OS. Not just your office productivity and LOB software.

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
downloaded for free is meaningless to the actual case. Not saying I agree with the law they got him on as there should be some exceptions but facts are the facts. Btw. This was the first version of the story I read that mentioned that Microsoft sold replacement restore disks to computer

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread corey cohen via cctalk
Ok the original topic. I think what screwed the guy selling the 25 cent computer disks is that Microsoft, according to the article ,sells $25 replacement restore disks. So technically he is counterfeiting a current Microsoft product, the physical restore disk they sell. The whole argument

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Doug Jackson via cctalk
It is. He ended up serving 15 months in prison for making rescue disks that were based on downloadable software that required licence keys that the PCs that he refurbished already had. It's a complex.case and the judge didn't understand the actual value of the media which was zero. Sadly

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: >Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an >extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy >.. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student >discount stores?

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
Behalf Of John Many Jars > via cctalk > Sent: 07 October 2019 09:31 > To: Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk > Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond! > > Ha. I was recently in PC World (gross) buying my son a laptop for University. > > They tried to sell him (me) a whole load of cr

RE: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
Note:- This storey is a year old... Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Worley > via cctalk > Sent: 07 October 2019 04:24 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Nuke Redmond! > > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to prison. >

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-07 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
Ha. I was recently in PC World (gross) buying my son a laptop for University. They tried to sell him (me) a whole load of crap he didn't need. They tried to sell me an Office 365 subscription that he gets for free from the Uni. They tried to sell me A/V software you can get free. They tried to

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-06 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 10/6/19 10:40 PM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 05:24:23AM +, null via cctalk wrote: This list is really going down the tubes. ITYM "Integrated Circuits". Tubes is before the time of most of the folks on this list, I think. (ok folks, it's a joke ...)

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-06 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 05:24:23AM +, null via cctalk wrote: > This list is really going down the tubes. ITYM "Integrated Circuits". Tubes is before the time of most of the folks on this list, I think. (ok folks, it's a joke ...) mcl

Re: Nuke Redmond!

2019-10-06 Thread null via cctalk
*sigh* This list is really going down the tubes. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2019, at 03:24, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk > wrote: > > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to > prison. Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is > not