Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-28 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
That was a very interesting read! The type of thing I could see myself doing over 40 years ago when once I'd come up with a neat idea and either did preliminary coding or hardware design suggesting it would work I'd jump right into it and find optimistic 1 month project timelines stretching

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-28 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 2:16 AM Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 17:21, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > > I saw this > > half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. > > If I may just say -- only about 5% of humanity know

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-28 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:02:42AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 04:15 AM 6/28/2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and > >that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a > >dozen countries call their

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-28 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 04:15 AM 6/28/2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and >that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a >dozen countries call their currencies the "dollar". If you were a real pedant, you would've provided a list of

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-28 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 17:21, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > I saw this > half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. If I may just say -- only about 5% of humanity know how big that is. I don't. I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and that's

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Marc Howard via cctalk
Look at http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=39958 Marc On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:30 AM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Back when I got to school and I was

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/27/19 10:03 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 11:32 AM 6/27/2019, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >> If you google "magnetic tape viewer" they have pictures of what I think the >> earlier poster described. > > I see quite a few on eBay and Amazon. Looks like you just need to > pick a

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 11:32 AM 6/27/2019, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >If you google "magnetic tape viewer" they have pictures of what I think the >earlier poster described. I see quite a few on eBay and Amazon. Looks like you just need to pick a Japanese one? What's the distinguishing characteristic of a

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 06/27/2019 10:30 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: I don't recall seeing one of those in either of the computer rooms I worked in as a student back in the late 1980s. I would love to get my hands on one (or make one?) now. One brand of a liquid you put on the tape is MagnaSee. If you

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 06/27/2019 10:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: Back when I got to school and I was hanging around the computer room on campus (back when it was THE room on campus with computers), I saw this half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. The on-staff operator took a

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
In days old olde - -   we  used  to  use  liquid stuff like this  when  splicing   video  tape  too...    It  would  shoe  the head  scan lines  Ed# In a message dated 6/27/2019 9:09:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I still use KyRead (older 70s era versions were

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
I still use KyRead (older 70s era versions were Magnasee and Visomag), which are applied directly to the magnetic medium. Basically a mixture of micron-sized pyrolytic iron powder and an inert, rapidly-evaporating carrier. Shake the bottle up and drop some on the medium. As the carrier

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:42 AM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 6/27/19 8:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > I saw this > > half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. > > http://qicreader.blogspot.com/p/track-visualization.html > > shows a couple of them >

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 6/27/19 8:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > I saw this > half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. http://qicreader.blogspot.com/p/track-visualization.html shows a couple of them

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
It is true. Inter-block gaps are huge and easy to spot/splice. That is why writing short tape blocks wastes so much tape. On 6/27/19 8:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > I've also heard people tell stories of using this fob to find the end of > the marks and records on mag tape to splice

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > Back when I got to school and I was hanging around the computer room on > campus (back when it was THE room on campus with computers), I saw this > half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it was for. The >

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:42 AM Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > In the early days of cyber crime (it was called “computer crime” back in > the 1980s), fraudsters would purchase an aerosol spray with tiny metal > particles in it (I forget what the specific valid use

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Liam Proven > This is *epic*. Indeed. I was blown away by the complexity of his technique for reading the digits. I can't believe there wasn't a much easier technique, though, e.g. using a logic analyzer and a small program to read

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
Mag stripe readers were expensive and hard to acquire in those days, so this was the chosen method of recovering track data from credit cards. Readers were cheap. Writers were expensive and hard to get. - Ethan

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread dwight via cctalk
I love the walk through things. I'd clearly have found a wired, digital, method of doing it ( printer port or such ). I had a similar problem. I was recovering 4004 code printed out with what looked like a ASR33 print. I did it manually. On looking at the data, I suspect the platen had ruts as

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/27/19 7:30 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Liam Proven > > > This is *epic*. > > Indeed. I was blown away by the complexity of his technique for reading > the digits. > > I can't believe there wasn't a much easier technique, though, e.g. using a > logic analyzer and a

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk
In the early days of cyber crime (it was called “computer crime” back in the 1980s), fraudsters would purchase an aerosol spray with tiny metal particles in it (I forget what the specific valid use case was, but it was legitimate), and apply the spray to the mag stripe on the back of credit

Re: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR (among other things)

2019-06-27 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Liam Proven > This is *epic*. Indeed. I was blown away by the complexity of his technique for reading the digits. I can't believe there wasn't a much easier technique, though, e.g. using a logic analyzer and a small program to read through the ROS! Perhaps the challenge of