RE: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia (part of Operator's Guide FFS)

[Electronics Plus via cctalk]

I have the keyboard for a UTS-40 here.
If you get a terminal that has been shipped, BEFORE you plug it in, take off
the back cover and examine the connectors.
These are not screwed together in the back; the circuit boards just press
together and will come apart at the back corner if the monitor flexes at
all.

Cindy


-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tapley,
Mark via cctalk
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 4:17 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia (part of Operator's
Guide FFS)

All,
in one of those spectacular coincidences, my excavations today
turned up a blue brad binder with 1 page of handwritten notes and
photocopies of pages 20-1 through 20-8 of the Sperry UTS 40-81 Operator's
guide (in addition to the other things I'm listing). 
Terms same as in my other emails, Al K. gets priority but anyone
else gets it for the cost of shipping. 
- Mark
210-522-6025 office
210-379-4635cell

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia (part of Operator's Guide FFS)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
in one of those spectacular coincidences, my excavations today turned 
up a blue brad binder with 1 page of handwritten notes and photocopies of pages 
20-1 through 20-8 of the Sperry UTS 40-81 Operator’s guide (in addition to the 
other things I’m listing). 
Terms same as in my other emails, Al K. gets priority but anyone else 
gets it for the cost of shipping. 
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 
210-379-4635cell

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Mark Linimon via cctalk]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 03:59:30PM +0200, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> Thanks god that I am not in the US, because here, even eBay has to follow
> local legislation. Or in other words, we have consumer rights [...]

But here in the US ... the government "of the lawyers, by the lawyers,
and for the lawyers, shall not perish from the Earth."

OK, enough political jokes for today, sorry.

mcl

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, jim stephens wrote:
Legal / illegal and ebay in the same sentence doesn't make sense. They only 
want to make money, and don't care about either sellers or buyers.


Thanks god that I am not in the US, because here, even eBay has to follow 
local legislation. Or in other words, we have consumer rights, and a 
finished auction with bids implies a valid contract (between seller and 
buyer) that must be fulfilled, *even* in the case the seller cancels the 
auction with active bids (expect in cases where e.g. the matter was stolen 
etc.) . Best example is the case of one seller who deliberately put up an 
auction for a car with a starting bid of 1 Euro. He didn't want to accept 
the (only) bid at that price but instead, insisted on a much higher value. 
He (the seller) was convicted to pay the difference (several thousand 
euros) to the buyer because the sole fact that he put up the car at that 
low price doesn't voids the auction. On the contrary, it is the spirit and 
purpose of an auction to make a bargain (on the buyer's side) or to 
realize a higher price (for the seller).


Christian

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/2/2017 1:28 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message 
wondering if I wanted the keyboard


And this is not illegal in the US? It is here.

Christian
Legal / illegal and ebay in the same sentence doesn't make sense. They 
only want to make money, and don't care about either sellers or buyers.


They added the fiction that buyers are great by banning negative 
feedback against them for the most part. Buyers can do about anything 
they like as Pete said, though the rules really don't allow cancelling 
an auction at the end just because they don't like the results.  I've 
never gotten a response from any ebay protest during this sort of 
behavior as well as worse.


Ebay should be subjected to some auction laws, which would ban that 
practice, as an absolute auction with a final result.  But what they do 
for auctions are not auctions by most legal definitions, and I don't 
think any legal attacks have succeeded.


The auctions are mostly like silent absolute auctions which are used by 
some, and may be exempt from rules about making good on the delivery of 
items in law.


IANAL
thanks
Jim

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message 
wondering if I wanted the keyboard


And this is not illegal in the US? It is here.

Christian

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

If the item ended normally at its listing time, which looks like it did.
The seller can do what he wants.

If the seller removed it and brought it back at a higher price, its hits
one side of a gray area.

if the seller removed the item and there were bids against it, eBay will
take an interest in the seller and ( via its database's ) watch what goes
on which is ...

If the seller has a pattern of doing the able, and if the seller is a small
fish, good chance the seller will be gone ( and usually come back under a
different name, all it takes is another bank card and address, like say his
brother or buddy down the street)

If above and the seller is a big fish, say around 5,000 or more items at  a
time, the seller can do what the heck they want and eBay wont do a thing.



On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ali via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 01 August 2017 19:00
> > To: 'Bill Gunshannon' <bill.gunshan...@hotmail.com>; 'General
> Discussion:
> > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: RE: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia
> >
> > > Report him to ebay.
> > >
> >
> > What for? eBay doesn't care. Not saying you shouldn't as a matter of
> principle
> > but don't expect much.
> >
>
>
> Many years ago I reported someone for doing this repeatedly for the same
> item. I remember that one listing actually complained about the complaints.
> So they obviously approached him/her, not sure it made that much difference
> in the end, but it was satisfying.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
>

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

Strange seller, I do not understand anything, he handed his UTS for ten 
times the price, but in the same time he just sent me a tracking number 
O_o. I do not know what to expect. Will I receive this UTS or not? If 
not, will I get my money back? I do not know. Meanwhile, for the 
principle, I put a nice negative note. But this guy is a little beside 
his shoes.


Going back to the subject, yes you may be right, this UTS 40 looks 
different, I cross my fingers so that it is not completely different (if 
I received the beast). The connectors of the communication board are 
deported to another place but this does not necessarily mean that the 
CPU board is different. The keyboard connector is not visible on the 
photos because it is in a lower place, but here too I cross my fingers. 
I am even wondering if this UTS has a CP/M program cartridge, nothing is 
less certain. This is my ultimate attempt to save my UTS, or at least 
have a comparison machine for my observations, spare parts if this UTS 
is completely dead. I do not have the skills required to detect problems 
too complex in a purely academic way, past a certain stage, I am forced 
to find a reference machine so that my intuition carried by comparative 
tests can direct me towards the possible breakdown.


Concerning your firmware requests if I can help ... Note however that 
regarding my UTS, in the case of the program cartridge there are 8 
eproms without supports, soldered to the card. In some case it should be 
physically difficult to dump these rom.



On 1/08/2017 17:41, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message wondering if I 
wanted the keyboard

I hope they just relist it

On the other hand, this isn't the same as your unit, the connectors on the back 
are in a different
place and I don't see the 9 pin keyboard connector so this may be a completely 
different design

I'm sort of annoyed because I bought a UTS 30 keyboard from someone else. It is 
a Keytronics inside, so
at least I'll dump the firmware in it.

--

For what it's worth, I've been seeing sellers cancel orders after the fact a 
LOT this year. It's really
annoying if it is one piece of something that I had to buy parts from other 
places to complete.



On 8/1/17 12:54 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

Finally, a bad plan this Ebay ad.

After many unsuccessful attempts to repair my UTS and the growing fear that my 
problem is at the level of the EPROMs
inside the Program Cartridge, I finally decided to buy the UTS on Ebay.
Unfortunately the seller is the style to cancel a finalized, paid and marked as 
sent transaction, by invoking with Ebay
a "out of stock" reason.

The real reason? He thinks now he will be able to sell this old untested 
terminal that rotted in his juice for 20 years
without keyboard for ten times the price initially posted.
I hope I will see my money again.

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ali via
> cctalk
> Sent: 01 August 2017 19:00
> To: 'Bill Gunshannon' <bill.gunshan...@hotmail.com>; 'General Discussion:
> On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia
> 
> > Report him to ebay.
> >
> 
> What for? eBay doesn't care. Not saying you shouldn't as a matter of
principle
> but don't expect much.
> 


Many years ago I reported someone for doing this repeatedly for the same
item. I remember that one listing actually complained about the complaints.
So they obviously approached him/her, not sure it made that much difference
in the end, but it was satisfying.

Regards

Rob

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 8/1/17 11:25 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
> I would not void a closed
> sale either if I couldn't help it.  But that's just me.

Like I say most people agreed up until this year.
I've had more bad deals or people just canceling my bid and closing
auctions with 'item no longer available' this year than in all of
the previous years put together

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/1/2017 11:14 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:

Isn’t that the point of having a reserve or setting the initial bid to your 
minimum price?

TTFN - Guy
I think the ebay fees for the listing are higher for those features.  
I've seen a lot of sellers listing it w/o reserve, which Ebay pushed 
some time ago.  A simple for sale listing can be inserted indefinitely 
for no fee, for instance.


I don't know if the $1000 price is free to list though.

I would list it at $1000 and OBO, but have not looked up to see if that 
is what the guy did.  I would not void a closed sale either if I 
couldn't help it.  But that's just me.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/1/2017 11:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:


On 8/1/17 10:49 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:


Any guesses as to what's going on?

sellers not getting the prices they wanted.
Not likely to sell via this treatment of potential buyers.  It isn't 
worth $1000 unless someone is using the things.  I'm not aware of any 
remaining users for this, and as a part, not whole sample of the thing, 
it doesn't offer much to a collector.  Will sit and sit (and hopefully 
the guy will rot).

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk]

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/1/17 10:49 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> Any guesses as to what's going on?
> 
> sellers not getting the prices they wanted.

Isn’t that the point of having a reserve or setting the initial bid to your 
minimum price?

TTFN - Guy

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 8/1/17 10:49 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

> Any guesses as to what's going on?

sellers not getting the prices they wanted.

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Ali via cctalk]

> Report him to ebay.
> 

What for? eBay doesn't care. Not saying you shouldn't as a matter of
principle but don't expect much.

-Ali

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Al Kossow

> For what it's worth, I've been seeing sellers cancel orders after the
> fact a LOT this year. 

Any guesses as to what's going on?

Noel

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

Report him to ebay.

bill


From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Al Kossow via cctalk 
[cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 12:00 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

On 8/1/17 8:41 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

> I hope they just relist it


jackass relisted it for $1000, still w/o keyboard

www.ebay.com/itm/142462575631

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 8/1/17 8:41 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

> I hope they just relist it


jackass relisted it for $1000, still w/o keyboard

www.ebay.com/itm/142462575631

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message wondering if I 
wanted the keyboard

I hope they just relist it

On the other hand, this isn't the same as your unit, the connectors on the back 
are in a different
place and I don't see the 9 pin keyboard connector so this may be a completely 
different design

I'm sort of annoyed because I bought a UTS 30 keyboard from someone else. It is 
a Keytronics inside, so
at least I'll dump the firmware in it.

--

For what it's worth, I've been seeing sellers cancel orders after the fact a 
LOT this year. It's really
annoying if it is one piece of something that I had to buy parts from other 
places to complete.



On 8/1/17 12:54 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:
> Finally, a bad plan this Ebay ad.
> 
> After many unsuccessful attempts to repair my UTS and the growing fear that 
> my problem is at the level of the EPROMs
> inside the Program Cartridge, I finally decided to buy the UTS on Ebay.
> Unfortunately the seller is the style to cancel a finalized, paid and marked 
> as sent transaction, by invoking with Ebay
> a "out of stock" reason.
> 
> The real reason? He thinks now he will be able to sell this old untested 
> terminal that rotted in his juice for 20 years
> without keyboard for ten times the price initially posted.
> I hope I will see my money again.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

Finally, a bad plan this Ebay ad.

After many unsuccessful attempts to repair my UTS and the growing fear 
that my problem is at the level of the EPROMs inside the Program 
Cartridge, I finally decided to buy the UTS on Ebay.
Unfortunately the seller is the style to cancel a finalized, paid and 
marked as sent transaction, by invoking with Ebay a "out of stock" reason.


The real reason? He thinks now he will be able to sell this old untested 
terminal that rotted in his juice for 20 years without keyboard for ten 
times the price initially posted.

I hope I will see my money again.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

*I still suspect PSU (not food ^^ bad translator)


On 30/07/2017 22:44, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:


Thanks a lot, but as described in my last post, I finally found the 
location of the missing battery. I repast the text here:


Yes ! I found it !


http://zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/06.jpg

You are right, there was indeed a beginning of corrosion with a 
leaking battery. I had taken it away, I could not remember it at all.
I still have to find the voltage of this missing battery, do you know 
it? Otherwise I have this UTS20D, there may also be a battery with the 
same value ...


So I cleaned the rest of the acid, no damage I think.

http://zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/05.jpg

So it would only be the cause of the blank screen? That would be so 
great !! :-)
I also disassembled the PSU board, some inflated capacitors, I'm going 
to replace all these caps. There is also a broken/burned "molex" 
connector.


I will repair all this and I will post a topic dedicated to the 
restoration of this machine.

Thank you all for the information !


Unfortunately, in the meantime I replaced a series of capacitors at 
the end of life, repaired the broken / burned Molex, built a replica 
of this battery and it does not change anything, I always have a blank 
screen.
I still suspect food, something else that seems strange to me is the 
absence of sound of static electricity when I turn on or off the 
monitor, the filaments of the CRT collar nevertheless.

Difficult without schematics



On 30/07/2017 22:26, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:



On 7/30/2017 4:43 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

Can you tell me where the batteries are supposed to be, on which board?
I disassembled the machine, extracted the 4 motherboards, I did not 
see any batteries anywhere.
If they are externalized, maybe I removed them a long time ago in 
the idea of replacing them, but I have not yet found where they were 
connected in that case.


I don't know there are batteries, but the device had a lot of 
configurations which were retained by some means.  1999 was a bit 
early for eeproms that didn't have battery backup of some sort.


If there are no batteries visible, or large super caps which can back 
up memory content, that is a good thing.


There may also be Dallas modules in the thing or similar which 
integrate batteries.  The components will usually have had a 5 to 10 
year lifespan, and probably won't work so well across power cycles.


thanks
Jim


On 28/07/2017 11:25, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I do hope you get it going.  If you feel qualified, one thing I'd 
also look for are packs with batteries to hold information that may 
have decayed.  That sometimes can cause what you described.  since 
the system may have been left since 1999, the batteries may have 
gone onto corrosion and you may have a bit of fixing to do for that.

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dominique
> Carlier via cctalk
> Sent: 30 July 2017 12:44
> To: jim stephens via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia
> 
> Can you tell me where the batteries are supposed to be, on which board?
> I disassembled the machine, extracted the 4 motherboards, I did not see any
> batteries anywhere.
> If they are externalized, maybe I removed them a long time ago in the idea of
> replacing them, but I have not yet found where they were connected in that
> case.
> 
> 


Could it be a Dallas DS1287 like this: 
http://classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2009-10-10-renovating-a-dallas-battery-chip.htm?

Regards

Rob

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

Yes ! I found it !

http://zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/06.jpg

You are right, there was indeed a beginning of corrosion with a leaking 
battery. I had taken it away, I could not remember it at all.
I still have to find the voltage of this missing battery, do you know 
it? Otherwise I have this UTS20D, there may also be a battery with the 
same value ...


So I cleaned the rest of the acid, no damage I think.

http://zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/05.jpg

So it would only be the cause of the blank screen? That would be so 
great !! :-)
I also disassembled the PSU board, some inflated capacitors, I'm going 
to replace all these caps. There is also a broken/burned "molex" connector.


I will repair all this and I will post a topic dedicated to the 
restoration of this machine.

Thank you all for the information !

On 30/07/2017 13:43, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

Can you tell me where the batteries are supposed to be, on which board?
I disassembled the machine, extracted the 4 motherboards, I did not 
see any batteries anywhere.
If they are externalized, maybe I removed them a long time ago in the 
idea of replacing them, but I have not yet found where they were 
connected in that case.



On 28/07/2017 11:25, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I do hope you get it going.  If you feel qualified, one thing I'd 
also look for are packs with batteries to hold information that may 
have decayed.  That sometimes can cause what you described.  since 
the system may have been left since 1999, the batteries may have gone 
onto corrosion and you may have a bit of fixing to do for that.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

Can you tell me where the batteries are supposed to be, on which board?
I disassembled the machine, extracted the 4 motherboards, I did not see 
any batteries anywhere.
If they are externalized, maybe I removed them a long time ago in the 
idea of replacing them, but I have not yet found where they were 
connected in that case.



On 28/07/2017 11:25, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
I do hope you get it going.  If you feel qualified, one thing I'd also 
look for are packs with batteries to hold information that may have 
decayed.  That sometimes can cause what you described.  since the 
system may have been left since 1999, the batteries may have gone onto 
corrosion and you may have a bit of fixing to do for that.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/28/17 10:49 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

>> That also shows there is a firmware cartridge :-(
>>
> 
> Is it specifically a bad thing from your point of view ? Why ? Do you think 
> eproms could be damaged over the years?

it will just make the firmware more difficult to dump

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

On 28/07/2017 19:34, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:


On 7/28/17 10:02 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:


Maybe I'm wrong, I always believed that the J3 connector was an RS-232 port. 
Here it is:

http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/04.jpg

That also shows there is a firmware cartridge :-(



Is it specifically a bad thing from your point of view ? Why ? Do you 
think eproms could be damaged over the years?

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/28/17 10:02 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

> Maybe I'm wrong, I always believed that the J3 connector was an RS-232 port. 
> Here it is:
> 
> http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/04.jpg

That also shows there is a firmware cartridge :-(

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

> On 28/07/2017 13:56, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote:
> AFAIK, the UTS40 does not have a “standard” connection on it, like 
RS-232. But I could be wrong.  At the office they were connected to a 
comms concentrator, a DCP/40.


Maybe I'm wrong, I always believed that the J3 connector was an RS-232 
port. Here it is:


http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/04.jpg

I also have the memory of a communication program under CP/M (maybe i'm 
also wrong) about communication, a souvenir of baud rate (or it was in 
the terminal mode ?). But perhaps for a synchronous connection only.


> Note that the auction does not show the UTS very specific keyboard !!

Fortunately the machine is complete! I still have the keyboard, the 
cables, the documentation, the floppy disks. I also have a UTS20D with 
the same keyboard.


http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/03.jpg

> Dominique, if you ever want to get rid of your UTS40 setup and like 
to “donate” it to a good “retirement home”, let me know 
(www.pdp-11.nl ).


You have a very nice retirement home, bravo, however no, sorry ;-) You 
will understand that I am very attached to this good old fellow.


> However, you also need an SSP and EXEC (the propriatary OS), FURPUR 
and at least MASM-1100. Loved to program is assembler, but that’s an 
other story …


Except if I can finally also use that machine as a pure terminal (I 
think it would be even more fun to connect it on my DCC-116 than on a 
PC), if I can repair this computer, I probably will just use it as 
before, namely under this good old CP/M, write some stuff in BASIC as at 
the time of my 15 years ;-) However it should be great to find a way to 
import others CP/M compatible programs.


> Do you have any way to image the floppies for it?

I never had the opportunity to explore a way to transfer files or 
recreate a floppy disk from an image from my UTS. Finally I don't know 
anything about the exact filesystem for this machine, I know that there 
are ways to connect an 8-inch drive to a PC XT (for example), but on my 
subsystem the floppies are double sided, 8 sectors 1024 bytes, I think 
it's more than 1Mo per floppy DD. I don't remember if the subsystem read 
also the single sided floppies, maybe. The question is, 8-inch drive on 
XT ok but with which type of controller ?


Afterwards, was the formatting standardized between the CP/M machines of 
that generation with this kind of media ? I do not know, but the subject 
interests me.


> There are brochures and UTS 30 manuals on bitsavers under 
univac/terminals. I should have UTS 40 and 60 manuals scanned somewhere. 
I don't think I have any maintenance information but I think I have a 
few 8" CP/M disks somewhere.
> I think one of the people who designed it has popped up on vcfed.org 
but it isn't coming up in a search.

> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?49011-Sperry-UTS-30
> I bought one of the ebay ones to dump the firmware, would be nice if 
anyone else with UTS terminals/computers would do the same.


Thanks for all these information, I am not registered on the VCFED forum 
but I will remedy this.
About saving information, firmware, dump ROMs, I would do that, although 
I admit to be a little afraid to damage my ROMs, in the same time it 
would be the best guarantee to cure the UTS in the future.



To finish I take the opportunity to show you some pictures of my machine 
but that they date from today :


http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/01.jpg

http://www.zeltrax.com/classiccmp_forum/02.jpg

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/28/17 4:56 AM, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote:

> I knew most of the commands (starting with @) plus the options by heart,

@ == "Master Space"

UW-Milwaukee's first big system was a Univac 1106, which was traded in for
an 1100/80 after I left. Just picked up some operator manuals that came out
of UMD recently that I'm waiting to upload. Still remember the 1106's weird
console clock that counted in decimal seconds. A friend worked at the UMD
computer center, and he told me they ran their 1108 'blind' since Sperry
maintenance couldn't fix their console printer or Uniscope any more. They
ran the same batch jobs, and the operators knew what tapes to mount even
without the console prompts.

I spent most of my time at UWM in front of PDPs and BSD Vaxen there fortunately,
though. Half-duplex terminals were no fun

WAIT LAST INPUT IGNORED

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/28/17 4:35 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> 
> I think I probably still have a manual for that
> box around here somewhere.

There are brochures and UTS 30 manuals on bitsavers under univac/terminals

I should have UTS 40 and 60 manuals scanned somewhere. I don't think I have
any maintenance information but I think I have a few 8" CP/M disks somewhere.

I think one of the people who designed it has popped up on vcfed.org but it 
isn't
coming up in a search.

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?49011-Sperry-UTS-30

I bought one of the ebay ones to dump the firmware, would be nice if anyone else
with UTS terminals/computers would do the same.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/27/17 10:31 PM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:
> Oh, I have a Sperry Univac UTS 40 and its 8-inch floppy disk subsystem.

Do you have any way to image the floppies for it?

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Henk Gooijen via cctalk]

This sure brings back good memories!
I worked on a Sperry 1100/60 with 3 CPUs, thus an “1163”, for several years.
I was a maintainer of EXEC, MAPPER, etc, and we tested the new software
versions (fixes!) on Saturday (during the week we needed 100% up time).
I always got a thrill out of typing $! on the system console, and seeing the
boot tape being read  

So, I have countless hours sitting behind an UTS40 in the office at my desk.
I knew most of the commands (starting with @) plus the options by heart,
like @asg,t to allocate a temporary file, @use to give it a “name”, etc.
AFAIK, the UTS40 does not have a “standard” connection on it, like RS-232.
But I could be wrong.
At the office they were connected to a comms concentrator, a DCP/40.

Note that the auction does not show the UTS very specific keyboard !!

Dominique, if you ever want to get rid of your UTS40 setup and like to
“donate” it to a good “retirement home”, let me know 
(www.pdp-11.nl ).
I also have a sweet spot for SPERRY … I am not sure what I would do if I got
an offer to *haul* an 1100 system, including a few UNIservo tape drives.
However, you also need an SSP and EXEC (the propriatary OS), FURPUR
and at least MASM-1100. Loved to program is assembler, but that’s an
other story …
Ah well … keep on dreaming 

Thanks for the memories,
Henk

RE: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Pete Lancashire via 
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:58 PM
To: General
Subject: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

No association with the seller, just passing the info on 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142458218680


Wow, there's a memory.  I think I probably still have a manual for that
box around here somewhere.

bill

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 7/28/2017 1:37 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk wrote:

In fact, I used this machine from 1988 to 1999
I do hope you get it going.  If you feel qualified, one thing I'd also 
look for are packs with batteries to hold information that may have 
decayed.  That sometimes can cause what you described.  since the system 
may have been left since 1999, the batteries may have gone onto 
corrosion and you may have a bit of fixing to do for that.


I've never done much but pull the cover off the one we had, and IIRC it 
had a metal box, and I put the plastic back on and left it at that.


Hope you can score the one here for spares for your system.  Since you 
have the software and the floppy drive, and a keyboard, you have some 
really rare bits.  I've only seen maybe one or two other UTS 40's one 
keyboard and one floppy for sale since I worked with them.


I think I had the machine in 1985 or 86, not sure, could have been 
later.  I worked with a couple of partners from 81 thru 85, then stated 
to do other contracting, including projects which they found that i 
could do.


We didn't retain any of the boards, sorry that I can't supply a sample 
of my printer controller if you get yours going.


thanks
Jim

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Dominique Carlier via cctalk]

Oh, I have a Sperry Univac UTS 40 and its 8-inch floppy disk subsystem. 
I love this machine but it's been down for 15 years now. I suspect a 
simple PSU problem but it would be the opportunity to have possible rare 
parts.
However I reside in Belgium. I sent a mail to the seller to know his 
price for a shipment.


A photo of my dear beast :

http://www.actingmachines.com/img/photos/24_big.jpg


On 27/07/2017 23:58, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:

No association with the seller, just passing the info on 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142458218680