Re: [TUHS] VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-25 Thread Clem Cole
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Is there any interest in all this? If so, I can put together a web page > with > the V6-verion VTServer source, along with the modified V6 serial line stuff > (including a short description of the extended

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-25 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-10-25 10:16 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > I'll start with getting VTServer to run under V6 (my only Unix, don't > have anything later :-) So, I just got VTServer runnin under V6: ... Is there any interest in all this? If so, I can put together a web page with the V6-verion VTServer

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> I'll start with getting VTServer to run under V6 (my only Unix, don't > have anything later :-) So, I just got VTServer runnin under V6: it successfully loaded a memory diagnostic from the 'server', into the 'client', using 'vtboot' on the latter. (Both running on emulated machines, for

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-23 Thread william degnan
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > The fact that the installation procedures for V6 and V7 are wholly > different, > in their technical detail, was apparently not well known. > > The 'Setting up Unix' documents are more checklists, they don't go

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
The fact that the installation procedures for V6 and V7 are wholly different, in their technical detail, was apparently not well known. The 'Setting up Unix' documents are more checklists, they don't go into a lot of detail as to what is actually happening, so I have prepared two pages on the

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Dennis Boone
> Yes, I have those, thanks; those are the 1-block programs I mentioned > to Warren: > One can't actually boot V6 Unix directly from a V6 distribution tape, > all one can do is copy the disk images from the tape to the disk; one > then boots from the disk. (Although now that I look, there is

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> Here are some notes I made a while back, when I looked at it: > ... > Block 2-xx - gubbish, apparently inodes, code, etc? So I just realized something's incomplete here. There's an intermediate stage (loading 'xxyy', where 'xx' is "tm" or "ht", and 'yy' is "rk", "rp" or "hp").

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Warren Toomey > This doc: .. describes a way to install from tape, but it seems like it > does a block copy of a tape image to the disk. Yup, that's the standard V6 install from tape. It uses the two programs I mentioned in the last message; first mboot (which produces the

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Warren Toomey
All, I had a look at the docs on V6 Unix. This doc: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V6/usr/doc/start/start describes a way to install from tape, but it seems like it does a block copy of a tape image to the disk. Also, in

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Dennis Boone > The sources for the V6 versions of the tmrk et al programs seem to be > here: Yes, I have those, thanks; those are the 1-block programs I mentioned to Warren: >> The only V6 boot mechanisms are 1-block programs that go into block 0 >> of device 0 and

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Dennis Boone
> > I know I made it work and booted V6 on my 11/34. > I'll start with getting VTServer to run under V6 (my only Unix, don't > have anything later :-), so if you turn up whatever you used to boot > V6, it would probably still be useful. The sources for the V6 versions of the tmrk et al

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Warren Toomey wkt at tuhs.org > To load V6, you need to build a virtual tape which replicates the V6 > tape. Err, there's the problem. The V6 boot tape consists of 3 'dd' images of RK05 V6 file systems (one each root, source, and doc), with a 'boot block' on the tape which

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-18 Thread Warren Toomey
Hah, the file http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Tools/Tapes/Vtserver/v7_standalone.tar.gz has the source code for the standalone tools including boot and vtboot.pdp. So, given a working V7 environment, you should be able to rebuild these and possibly make them work in a V6 environment.

Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-18 Thread Ian S. King
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > So, I'm trying to do what VTServer was invented for - load Unix into an > actual > PDP-11, over its serial line, when one doesn't have machine-readable Unix > on > any mass storage for the machine. > > However, all

VTServer/etc for V6 Unix

2016-10-18 Thread Noel Chiappa
So, I'm trying to do what VTServer was invented for - load Unix into an actual PDP-11, over its serial line, when one doesn't have machine-readable Unix on any mass storage for the machine. However, all the initial code that VTServer loads ('mkfs', etc) is V7-specific (V6 has a slightly different