Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 8:51 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > > The TC02 is an Emulex TS11 emulation for pertec interface tape drives.  > The J1 and J2 are sort of standard terminology, don't know why. Ah, the *Emulex* TC02. You had me going there--DEC also has a DECtape controller called the TC02.

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/11/2019 10:44 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote: On 8/11/19 6:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: I just looked at the TC02 and the Qualstar, there are termination resistor packs on each.  The Qualstar has a bunch of 74LS240 IC's near the J1 and J2 pertec interface cables.  The TC02

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 6:00 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > I just looked at the TC02 and the Qualstar, there are termination > resistor packs on each.  The Qualstar has a bunch of 74LS240 IC's near > the J1 and J2 pertec interface cables.  The TC02 has a bunch of 74LS374 > chips near the J1 and J2

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctech
On 8/11/2019 7:01 PM, Jon Elson via cctech wrote: On 08/11/2019 11:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: I seem to remember they were ribbon cables with each odd/even pair twisted which probably meant one active and one ground twisted together. Or differential pairs. No, both Pertec unformatted and

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctech
On 08/11/2019 11:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: I seem to remember they were ribbon cables with each odd/even pair twisted which probably meant one active and one ground twisted together. Or differential pairs. No, both Pertec unformatted and Pertec formatted interfaces were TTL single-ended.

Re: Removing PVA (Was: ADM-3A question)

2019-08-11 Thread Alan Perry via cctech
On 8/11/19 2:21 PM, Warner Losh wrote: On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 11:29 AM Alan Perry via cctech mailto:cctech@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 8/11/19 6:58 AM, Charles via cctech wrote: > Anyway. I did a bit more Googling and discovered that plain water > dissolves the PVA goop

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctech
On 8/11/19 9:11 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: >> All of my Pertec tape drives (in the past) were located in > a differentrack from the actual computer so the cables were > always over 10' long and usually close to if not 20'. Never > had a problem. I stand by my commentary re Qualstar 1xxx drives.

Removing PVA (Was: ADM-3A question)

2019-08-11 Thread Alan Perry via cctech
On 8/11/19 6:58 AM, Charles via cctech wrote: Anyway. I did a bit more Googling and discovered that plain water dissolves the PVA goop just fine. No need to use a lot of expensive alcohol which seems to be a less effective solvent anyway! Last Christmas, I removed the old PVA from a DEC

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread W2HX via cctech
>All of my Pertec tape drives (in the past) were located in a differentrack from the actual computer so the cables were always over 10' long and usually close to if not 20'. Never had a problem. That is because a) you had the proper termination in place and b) the signalling speed of the

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctech
On 8/11/19 9:07 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: >> Would folding the > excess cable up and covering with anti-static plastic help? > > unlikely. The typical problem is that the longer the cable, the higher the > capacitance of the transmission line. Therefore you get a lot of problems > with rising

Re: DEC VT20 boot device

2019-08-11 Thread Bob Smith via cctech
The VT20 design team was, iirc, John Kirk for the video, and me for the Unibus interface in the first version. The one with the slick one shown here, http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt20/vt20_2.jpg The /05 based package was after my time, I don't remember much about how it was deployed. The

Re: DEC VT20 boot device

2019-08-11 Thread Paul Koning via cctech
> On Aug 10, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Paul Birkel via cctech > wrote: > > The DEC VT20 terminal apparently included a PDP-11/05 with a direct mapped > character display and was intended for text editing and typesetting. It > seems to have been followed by the VT21, and then VT71/VT72, all three

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Glen Slick via cctech
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 9:46 AM Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote: > > I bought the long cables off ebay, so they have to be good? Right? I > think the short cables came from a hamfest. > > The cables can be fairly long, I remember interfacing a TU80 to an > Emulex QT14 (maybe) and the DEC cables