Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

9:06 PMTo: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released On 1/16/20 7:24 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: DtAppBuilder is a bit weird, and not my niche to comment on.  As

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: I agree with Jon. CDE has more important challenges to deal with in the future than dtmail, starting with Wayland. IMHO, the "retiring" idea keeps the code around for whoever might want to unearth it and work on it, and it gets it out of the way

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

I agree with Jon. CDE has more important challenges to deal with in the future than dtmail, starting with Wayland. Xwayland exists but for how long? They consider it a transition set of patches. Moreover I find it more important for a desktop to

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/17/20 11:11 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, Jon Trulson wrote: >> I am not interested in maintaining a museum piece. > > That is pragmatic an sensible, but could it be deprecated into a > "classic" or "hierloom" directory within the source tree and only > allowed to emerge when

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/16/20 10:12 PM, Jill Veldhuis wrote: > > dtmail does indeed support IMAP, and I've had it running with my home > dovecot server without issue. It's certainly a primitive MUA but I > don't really understand the sheer level of *hate* I keep seeing for it. > > Seems like getting it up to a

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, Jon Trulson wrote: I did it once for a customer using the alpine IMAP toolkit some years ago.  I've worked with that same API. It ain't bad. There are others, too. LibETpan works pretty well also. It's the same one Claws uses. I think it already does SSL. If not, there

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, Jon Trulson wrote: I am not interested in maintaining a museum piece. That is pragmatic an sensible, but could it be deprecated into a "classic" or "hierloom" directory within the source tree and only allowed to emerge when it'd be fixed by a loving and living

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

From: j...@n8fq.orgSent: January 16, 2020 11:36 PMTo: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released dtmail does indeed support IMAP, and I've had it running with my home dovecot server without issue. It's

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

dtmail does indeed support IMAP, and I've had it running with my home dovecot server without issue. It's certainly a primitive MUA but I don't really understand the sheer level of *hate* I keep seeing for it. Seems like getting it up to a fundamentally "usable" level would only take two

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

t's implied support (and responsibility!). -jon > *From:* turkel.christop...@gmail.com > *Sent:* January 16, 2020 7:17 PM > *To:* > *Cc:* cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > *Subject:* Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released > > > I don’t care about dtbui

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/16/20 7:34 PM, Brian Cole wrote: > It wouldn't just be wayland support in motif. Even if we had > wayland+motif working /now/, it would only help with applications. CDE > is fundamentally a X11 window manager, and X11 window managers are a > tiny part of the equivalent in wayland. Wayland,

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

It wouldn't just be wayland support in motif. Even if we had wayland+motif working *now*, it would only help with applications. CDE is fundamentally a X11 window manager, and X11 window managers are a tiny part of the equivalent in wayland. Wayland, for... better or worse... has "compositors"

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not very useful.On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel <cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my pr

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

Probably just use Xwayland :) -jon On 1/16/20 6:27 PM, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote: > How much job would be implementing support for Wayland in Motif? > > Christopher Turkel > 於 2020年1月17日 週五 09:18 寫道： > > I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/16/20 5:44 PM, Chase wrote: > I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my previous question, though > as a programmer I was never good at taking social queues haha. > What question? > I feel like the same could be said for this entire project, especially > with wayland right around the

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

How much job would be implementing support for Wayland in Motif? Christopher Turkel 於 2020年1月17日 週五 09:18 寫道： > I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not very useful. > > On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel < > cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> I

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

I don’t care about dtbuilder, but dtmail is not very useful. On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel < cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my previous question, though as a > programmer I was never good at taking social

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

I guess I'll take the silence as a no to my previous question, though as a programmer I was never good at taking social queues haha. I feel like the same could be said for this entire project, especially with wayland right around the corner, but people still like their niches. We should keep

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

I'm probably the only one that would actually use it. Building Motif apps from scratch is a tedious process. On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 20:34, Christopher Turkel < turkel.christop...@gmail.com> wrote: > I vote in favor of retiring dtmail. > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Jon Trulson wrote: > >>

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

I vote in favor of retiring dtmail. On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Jon Trulson wrote: > On 1/15/20 5:41 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > I think I once compiled a non-recent version of open-source CDE for Solaris > 11 (SPARC), and it mostly worked, although dtmail was definitely unusable. >

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/15/20 5:41 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > I think I once compiled a non-recent version of open-source CDE for Solaris > 11 (SPARC), and it mostly worked, although dtmail was definitely unusable. dtmail is useless.  So much work would need to go into it ,to bring it up to modern standards,

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

> > Also, what was the deal back in the OpenSolaris days before Oracle killed it? > Did that codebase have CDE? I also wonder about Illumos. Do they still have a > CDE codebase, too? I'm guessing Sun just didn't release it with the rest of > the code. Sun didn't have the rights to release

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

Now that we have a contact with CERT, could we ask them if VU#179804 and CA-1999-08 from the wiki still apply to our code? Thank you for your time, -Chase ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:11 PM, Jon Trulson wrote: > On 1/15/20 3:04 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: > >>

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

On 1/15/20 3:04 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > Jon this whole situation with Solaris having it's own code base  which > goes back to 1.x. I'm curious if that is why there are a lot of tools > and utils (mostly ones starting with "sd") which aren't part of the > open source version? > Yes - Sun used

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

Jon this whole situation with Solaris having it's own code base which goes back to 1.x. I'm curious if that is why there are a lot of tools and utils (mostly ones starting with "sd") which aren't part of the open source version? Ie.. they must have made those tools specifically for their

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] CDE 2.3.2 has been released

Hi, FWIW, here are two releases from Marco that might shed more light: https://techblog.mediaservice.net/2020/01/local-privilege-escalation-via-cde-dtsession/ https://github.com/0xdea/advisories/blob/master/2020-02-cde-dtsession.txt which includes a link to the Solaris POC. -jon On 1/14/20