Re: [Cdk-user] Fingerprints in 1.4 und 1.5

2015-11-04 Thread Till Schäfer
thx for the fast answer. Viele Grüße Till Am Mittwoch, 4. November 2015, 14:09:54 schrieb Egon Willighagen: > Dear Till, > > neither. The default (oldest) CDK fingerprint is like the Daylight > fingerprint (using the same approach), but is not meant to be > identical. > > Grtz, > > Egon >

Re: [Cdk-user] Fingerprints in 1.4 und 1.5

2015-11-04 Thread Egon Willighagen
Oh, sorry the CDK 1.4 identical to 1.5... No, they are typically not, as they depend on an aromaticity model. This is why I introduced the SP2-based fingerprinter, which also takes into account hybridization, but does not depend on definitions of aromaticity... and should be more stable. (But

Re: [Cdk-user] Fingerprints in 1.4 und 1.5

2015-11-04 Thread John M
Hi Till, Have you found one? Nothing immediately jumps out from recent history - https://github.com/cdk/cdk/blob/master/base/standard/src/main/java/org/openscience/cdk/fingerprint/Fingerprinter.java Further history I see count fingerprints introduced but that shouldn't change the bits -

[Cdk-user] Fingerprints in 1.4 und 1.5

2015-11-04 Thread Till Schäfer
Hi, i would like to know if the daylight fingerprint should be identical for the latest CDK 1.4 and the latest CDK 1.5. Are there any changes, that cause another ordering of the features, or some feature to be detected differently? Regards, Till -- Dipl.-Inf. Till Schäfer TU Dortmund

Re: [Cdk-user] Fingerprints in 1.4 und 1.5

2015-11-04 Thread Egon Willighagen
Yeah, see 2nd reply, as I realized the same thing after John's email... So, no they are not. In the past we frequently had to reculate FPs for unit tests, and at some point we made a full test, just to see if the FP calculation changed :) So, new CDK version, then you must recalculate