Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-09 Thread Rob Bogus
Joerg Schilling wrote: And this is definitely wrong! Unfortunately, Linux-2.6 did change iterfaces in a way so it is impossible to run all applications compiled under earlier releases. To avoid confusion you probably should say not all applications... will run since clearly you don't mean

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-09 Thread Rob Bogus
Joerg Schilling wrote: And this is definitely wrong! Unfortunately, Linux-2.6 did change iterfaces in a way so it is impossible to run all applications compiled under earlier releases. To avoid confusion you probably should say not all applications... will run since clearly you don't mean that

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 7 16:34:14 2004 If you unpack this on a Linux-2.6 system using a star binary that has been compiled on Linux-2.4, you will extract a character special with minor 88 instead of minor 7000. This proves that you cannot run binaries from Linux-2.4 on Linux-2.6

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 13:47, Joerg Schilling wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 7 16:34:14 2004 If you unpack this on a Linux-2.6 system using a star binary that has been compiled on Linux-2.4, you will extract a character special with minor 88 instead of minor 7000. This proves

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] star -tv /tmp/cdev.tar.bz2 ... 255 7000 crw-r--r-- 1 root/other Jan 5 22:06 2004 cdev AS you see, this is a tar archive that includes a character special with major 255 and minor 7000. Postulate. Restoring of device entries from another

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you did not. You said, and I quote (module formatting): It has _always_ been wrong to compile software only once for different kernel versions (e.g. for compile Linux-2.4 and later install a 2.2 kernel on the so created system). Why do you repeat

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 16:24, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you did not. You said, and I quote (module formatting): It has _always_ been wrong to compile software only once for different kernel versions (e.g. for compile Linux-2.4 and later install a 2.2

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: It _is_ wrong to assume that a random program compiled for OS revision A will run correctly on OS revision B Definetly NOT. e.g. grep. grep only uses libc-interface. As long as the program - libc interface is stable it will

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: It _is_ wrong to assume that a random program compiled for OS revision A will run correctly on OS revision B Definetly NOT. e.g. grep. Aaargh! Perhaps we should

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Matthias Schniedermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] It _is_ wrong to assume that a random program compiled for OS revision A will run correctly on OS revision B Definetly NOT. e.g. grep. grep only uses libc-interface. As long as the program - libc interface is stable it will have no problem

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: It _is_ wrong to assume that a random program compiled for OS revision A will run correctly on OS

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 18:42, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: It _is_ wrong to assume that a random

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Matthias Schniedermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take this as given. Same as you can assume that the libc of Solaris 9 is compiled on Solaris 9 and is forward compatible to Solaris 8. Libc from Solaris 2.6 definitely does not work on Solaris 2.5.1 Libc from Solaris 7 definitely does not

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:17:16PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 18:42, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100,

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:02:57PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Matthias Schniedermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take this as given. Same as you can assume that the libc of Solaris 9 is compiled on Solaris 9 and is forward compatible to Solaris 8. Libc from Solaris 2.6

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Scott Bronson
Arguing about MAY vs WILL and the proper use of a colon is just a waste of time don't you think? How does any of this noticeably impact _your_ life? Any chance this thread can be put to rest here? On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 05:47, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 13:47, Joerg Schilling

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:10:54AM -0800, Scott Bronson wrote: Any chance this thread can be put to rest here? You could try invoking Godwin's Law -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 20:10, Scott Bronson wrote: Arguing about MAY vs WILL and the proper use of a colon is just a waste of time don't you think? How does any of this noticeably impact _your_ life? Well, the original statement was false (at least IMHO, it seems we disagree a bit, about what

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 7 16:34:14 2004 If you unpack this on a Linux-2.6 system using a star binary that has been compiled on Linux-2.4, you will extract a character special with minor 88 instead of minor 7000. This proves that you cannot run binaries from Linux-2.4 on Linux-2.6

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 16:24, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you did not. You said, and I quote (module formatting): It has _always_ been wrong to compile software only once for different kernel versions (e.g. for compile Linux-2.4 and later install a 2.2

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 18:42, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: It _is_ wrong to assume that a random

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Matthias Schniedermeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take this as given. Same as you can assume that the libc of Solaris 9 is compiled on Solaris 9 and is forward compatible to Solaris 8. Libc from Solaris 2.6 definitely does not work on Solaris 2.5.1 Libc from Solaris 7 definitely does not

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Matthias Schniedermeyer
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:17:16PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 18:42, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Lourens Veen wrote: On Thu 8 January 2004 17:07, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:24:22PM +0100,

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:10:54AM -0800, Scott Bronson wrote: Any chance this thread can be put to rest here? You could try invoking Godwin's Law

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-08 Thread Lourens Veen
On Thu 8 January 2004 20:10, Scott Bronson wrote: Arguing about MAY vs WILL and the proper use of a colon is just a waste of time don't you think? How does any of this noticeably impact _your_ life? Well, the original statement was false (at least IMHO, it seems we disagree a bit, about what

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 6 17:38:11 2004 You did just prove that there is a difference between an attempt for a test and a real test! Try to unpack and verify this archive: Isn't it typical? I've complained about wording of statement attached to usage of major macro in cdda2wav and

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-07 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 7 January 2004 11:37, Joerg Schilling wrote: For all people who have enough background knowledge in software engineering, here is a text that I did write for another purpose: /*--- ---*/ star -tv /tmp/cdev.tar.bz2

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-07 Thread Andy Polyakov
star -tv /tmp/cdev.tar.bz2 ... 255 7000 crw-r--r-- 1 root/other Jan 5 22:06 2004 cdev AS you see, this is a tar archive that includes a character special with major 255 and minor 7000. Postulate. Restoring of device entries from another architecture was never guaranteed to provide

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 6 17:38:11 2004 You did just prove that there is a difference between an attempt for a test and a real test! Try to unpack and verify this archive: Isn't it typical? I've complained about wording of statement attached to usage of major macro in cdda2wav and

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-07 Thread Lourens Veen
On Wed 7 January 2004 11:37, Joerg Schilling wrote: For all people who have enough background knowledge in software engineering, here is a text that I did write for another purpose: /*--- ---*/ star -tv /tmp/cdev.tar.bz2

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-06 Thread Andy Polyakov
You did just prove that there is a difference between an attempt for a test and a real test! Try to unpack and verify this archive: Isn't it typical? I've complained about wording of statement attached to usage of major macro in cdda2wav and discussion is immediately led to other spheres.

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-06 Thread Andy Polyakov
You did just prove that there is a difference between an attempt for a test and a real test! Try to unpack and verify this archive: Isn't it typical? I've complained about wording of statement attached to usage of major macro in cdda2wav and discussion is immediately led to other spheres.

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cdda2wav (By Heiko Eißfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]): - Now using the major() macro for some Linux duties. WARNING to creators of Linux distributions: As such wording sounds very much as political statement, I feel necessity to comment on

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-05 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
As such wording sounds very much as political statement, I feel necessity to comment on following. It is definitely not politocal but it tries to be so simple that even the morons you typically meet on the LKML will understand it :-( Has it occurred to you that, after posting that thing

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let us make it short . OK, I've just compiled second star binary. I mean I've had one compiled under 2.4 (left from Dec 2002, when you posted request for help with mkisofs -dvd-video:-), so I've compiled one under 2.6 too... Well, I can't confirm your

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cdda2wav (By Heiko Eißfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]): - Now using the major() macro for some Linux duties. WARNING to creators of Linux distributions: As such wording sounds very much as political statement, I feel necessity to comment on

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2004-01-05 Thread Andy Polyakov
Cdda2wav (By Heiko Eißfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]): - Now using the major() macro for some Linux duties. WARNING to creators of Linux distributions: As such wording sounds very much as political statement, I feel necessity to comment on following. It is definitely not

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: if you continue to include an illegal reply email address in your mailings, you will be ignored in future! Can you be more specific about the bugs please? Or does that contain bugs simply refer to that they're not the latest alpha version?

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-30 Thread Andy Polyakov
Cdda2wav (By Heiko Eißfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]): - Now using the major() macro for some Linux duties. WARNING to creators of Linux distributions: As such wording sounds very much as political statement, I feel necessity to comment on following. It has _always_ been

cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
NEW features of cdrtools-2.01a22: Please have a look at the German open Source Center BerliOS at www.berlios.de BerliOS will continue to support free hosting of cryptography projects even when US laws change and don't allow to host cryptography projects in the USA. Also look at

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-29 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
All recent SuSE distributions contain inofficial and modified versions of cdrecord that are known to contain bugs and open new security holes. Can you be more specific about the bugs please? Or does that contain bugs simply refer to that they're not the latest alpha version? What

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] All recent SuSE distributions contain inofficial and modified versions of cdrecord that are known to contain bugs and open new security holes. Can you be more specific about the bugs please? Or does that contain bugs simply refer to that

Re: cdrtools-2.01a22 ready

2003-12-29 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
All recent SuSE distributions contain inofficial and modified versions of cdrecord that are known to contain bugs and open new security holes. Can you be more specific about the bugs please? Or does that contain bugs simply refer to that they're not the latest alpha version? What