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From: may...@maykel.sytes.net
Sender: centos-es-boun...@centos.org
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:10:12
To: centos-es@centos.org
Reply-To: centos-es@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS-es] Fwd: Re: Eleccion distro cortafuegos
Maykel, este links en un buen comienzo:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
C.R.
El 29 de diciembre de 2011 09:48, Maykel Franco Hernández
may...@maykel.sytes.net escribió:
Desde hacia unos 6 años vengo administrando debian, ubuntu, centos y
opensuse. Me gustaría
maykel y aqui en español: http://www.freebsd.org/es/
C.R
El 29 de diciembre de 2011 09:48, Maykel Franco Hernández
may...@maykel.sytes.net escribió:
Desde hacia unos 6 años vengo administrando debian, ubuntu, centos y
opensuse. Me gustaría aprender más sobre FreeBSD porque nada más que
Desde hacia unos 6 años vengo administrando debian, ubuntu, centos y
opensuse. Me gustaría aprender más sobre FreeBSD porque nada más que
escucho que maravillas pero recuerdo que una vez intente implementar un
script de servidor de correo en teoría facil y daba errores de
compilación por todos
Muchas gracias.
El 2011-12-29 16:09, carlos restrepo escribió:
Maykel, este links en un buen comienzo:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
C.R.
El 29 de diciembre de 2011 09:48, Maykel Franco Hernández
may...@maykel.sytes.net escribió:
Desde hacia unos 6
Hola a todos,
alguien conoce donde podría descargarme los paquetes RPM de ocfs2
tools y ocfs2???
A las malascompilaré los tar.gz
Gracias.
Un saludo.
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On 12/29/2011 03:48 PM, Sergio Villalba wrote:
Hola a todos,
alguien conoce donde podría descargarme los paquetes RPM de ocfs2
tools y ocfs2???
en el sitio de linux de oracle, ahi les encuentras
saludos
epe
A las malascompilaré los tar.gz
Gracias.
Un saludo.
El día 29 de diciembre de 2011 09:48, Maykel Franco Hernández
may...@maykel.sytes.net escribió:
Desde hacia unos 6 años vengo administrando debian, ubuntu, centos y
opensuse. Me gustaría aprender más sobre FreeBSD porque nada más que
escucho que maravillas pero recuerdo que una vez intente
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jim Wildman j...@rossberry.com wrote:
The 'E' in CentOS stands for Enterprise. Enterprises use change
control. Servers do not update themselves whenever they see an update.
Updates are tested (not so much), approved and scheduled, hopefully in
line with a
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:
On 12/27/2011 10:42 PM, Bennett Haselton wrote:
Everything installed on the machine had been installed with yum. So I
assumed that meant that it would also be updated by yum if an update
was
available from the
Hi all,
We're running RHEV as our main virtualization platform. Most of our
guests are CentOS though. Do you guys know if there's a guest tools
package for CentOS available like there is for Windows for example?
Can't really find an answer here.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards,
I wrote an article some time ago for CentOS 6 and have been using this
setup in production since.
http://itscblog.tamu.edu/joining-samba-to-a-windows-2008-r2-domain/
My servers that interact with AD allow both AD based file sharing and also
SSH access. The most updated configs I use can be found
On Dec 29, 2011 2:25 AM, Johan Kooijman m...@johankooijman.com wrote:
Hi all,
We're running RHEV as our main virtualization platform. Most of our
guests are CentOS though. Do you guys know if there's a guest tools
package for CentOS available like there is for Windows for example?
Can't
I dont use RHEV (yet) but being that its based on KVM and libvirt I dont
think you need guest tools. When you configure in RHEV Manager does it
identify the paravirtual devices as virtio? If so then its standard in the
kernel used by CentOS since around 5.5. I run all my CentOS VMs on the
On 29/12/2011 14:25, Daniel Bird wrote:
Hi All,
I've a quick question I'm hoping someone can help out on; One of our NFS
servers has an intermittent hard lock problem under high load. This is a
CentOS 5.7 box. It's due for replacement sometime next year. However...
The issue is when this box
On 29/12/11 04:27, Rob Kampen wrote:
Hi List,
Just loaded our favorite OS onto my new ASUS laptop.
Practically everything worked out of the box - I used the live DVD to
check things out and installed from there.
I have followed
å¤ç¥ãå²©ç· wrote:
On 12/30/2011 12:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
å¤Å神ãâ¬â¬Ã¥Â²Â©Ã§â· wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 11:42 +0100, Leonard den Ottolander wrote:
The pango warning is an issue with the old package that got removed, but
the gtk2 package current on that system (gtk2-2.18.9-6.el6.x86_64 from
the CR repo) still has that incorrect directory
On 12/29/2011 01:19 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com
wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86
On 12/29/2011 10:26 AM, Trey Dockendorf wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote:
On 12/29/2011 02:21 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Would this spec file (and source tar ball) built the proper package?
If not, where would I get it.
I would be happy to build the
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
Any official document say that?
Thanks.
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On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Bennett Haselton benn...@peacefire.org wrote:
If your service is important, then it is worth testing changes before
making them on your important server. But no one else can tell you
whether your server is that important or not... It's fairly trivial
to
Bennett Haselton wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Les Mikesell
lesmikes...@gmail.comwrote:
Would it not be best for the vast majority of those users to have
updates turned on by default? If not, why not? (Power users can
always turn them off, after all.)
If your service is
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com
wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86
and X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.comwrote:
Would it not be best for the vast majority of those users to have updates
turned on by default? If not, why not? (Power users can always turn
them
off, after all.)
If your service is important, then it is worth
Hello, I have dedicated server on CentOS Linux 6.1 with
webmin/virtualmin and it tell me:
Package updates 145 updates to system packages are available. Use the
Virtualmin Package Updates module to install them selectively.
4 updates to Virtualmin packages are available. Use the
On 12/29/11 11:01 AM, John Broome wrote:
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out
just for shits and giggles?
who knows? You'd need to ask them, and I doubt you'd get an answer.
--
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santa cruz ca
Hi Marko,
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is too long and too random to
be memorized --- you have to carry it on a usb stick (or whereever). This
provides an additional point of failure should your stick get lost or stolen.
this is only correct when you use SSH keys without
On 12/29/11 10:33 AM, Weplica wrote:
Hello, I have dedicated server on CentOS Linux 6.1 with
webmin/virtualmin and it tell me:
Package updates 145 updates to system packages are available. Use the
Virtualmin Package Updates module to install them selectively.
4 updates to Virtualmin
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS 6.1, however
RHEL6 (and all versions of CentOS) are completely unsupported
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
11.2.0.3(I think is latest?) seems to work fine on CentOS
Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is too long and too
random to be memorized --- you have to carry it on
On Dec 29, 2011, at 7:30, mcclnx mcc mcc...@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
Any official document say that?
OEL6 is rebuilt RHEL6. CentOS 6 is rebuilt RHEL6.
I think it'll be ok.
On 29/12/11 03:38, Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 00:40 -0700, Bennett Haselton wrote:
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Rilindo Fosterrili...@me.com wrote:
What was the nature of the break-in, if I may ask?
I don't know how they did it, only that the hosting company had to take
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:19 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/29/2011 01:01 PM, John Broome wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 13:57, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com
wrote:
On 12/29/11 4:30 AM, mcclnx mcc wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible
On 12/30/2011 12:41 AM, Marc Deop wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:59:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
the hughe difference is: while having the same password (for the key)
it can not be used directly for brute-force und you need the password
and at least one time access to the key file
Explain
Hi All,
I've a quick question I'm hoping someone can help out on; One of our NFS
servers has an intermittent hard lock problem under high load. This is a
CentOS 5.7 box. It's due for replacement sometime next year. However...
The issue is when this box dies the boxes that mount the NFS exports
On 12/30/2011 01:33 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:59:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 04:07, Johan Kooijman m...@johankooijman.com wrote:
My bad, indeed, the guest OS works perfect. What I'm looking for is
the extra data RHEVM can provide that it get's from the guest tools,
like IP, memory use etc. See
http://bastion.jkit.nl/~jkooijman/rhev.png. The
On 12/29/2011 02:21 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Would this spec file (and source tar ball) built the proper package?
If not, where would I get it.
I would be happy to build the proper source for centos extras for CentOS
guests.
lets see if we can get the entire ovirt stack done - its quite
On 12/29/2011 05:17 PM, Bennett Haselton wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
On 12/27/2011 10:42 PM, Bennett Haselton wrote:
2. Why have password logins at all? Using a secure ssh key only for
logins makes the most sense.
Well that's something
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:59:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is too long and too
random
On 12/29/2011 04:47 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote:
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 11:42 +0100, Leonard den Ottolander wrote:
The pango warning is an issue with the old package that got removed, but
the gtk2 package current on that system (gtk2-2.18.9-6.el6.x86_64 from
the CR repo) still has that
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 14:11 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
There was also the fact that several packages did not build correctly
because of a change in the default environment:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743229
That reminds me. I saw this recently on yum update:
Non-fatal
On 12/29/2011 08:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:59, schrieb Johnny Hughes:
That flaw as absolutely no access component. It allows a DDOS attack,
not provide remote access to a machine.
From the bug:
A flaw was found in the way the Apache HTTP Server handled Range HTTP
On 12/29/2011 03:53 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17,
On 12/28/2011 08:57 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 07:43 -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote:
There have been NO critical kernel updates. A critical update is one
where someone can remotely execute items at the root users.
Almost all critical updates are Firefox, Thunderbird, telnetd
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
snip
I like to use serial numbers from MB, HDD, etc., as passwords. I never
The one problem with this is that *if* the attacker has the slightest idea
of the hardware, their task is vastly smaller. I trust, for example, that
you don't use Dell's s/n/express code;
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
2. Why have password logins at all? Using a secure ssh key only for
logins makes the most sense.
Well that's something that I'm curious about the reasoning behind -- if
you're already using a completely random 12-character password, why would
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:35:34 Daniel Bird wrote:
retry=n The number of minutes to retry an NFS mount operation in the
foreground or background before giving up. The default
value for forground mounts is 2 minutes. The default
value for background mounts is 1
On 29 December 2011 12:30, mcclnx mcc mcc...@yahoo.com.tw wrote:
Does anyone know CENTOS/Redhat 6.X compatible to ORACLE software (X86 and
X86_64) version like 9.X, 10GR2, 11G and 11GR2.
It is not.
Any official document say that?
See Metalink 1304727.1.
On 12/29/2011 07:21 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even though the
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even though the ssh key is more
random, they're both sufficiently random that it would take at least
hundreds of years to get in by trial and error.
if you really think
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is too long and too random to
be memorized --- you have to carry it on a usb stick (or
Am 29.12.2011 14:59, schrieb Johnny Hughes:
That flaw as absolutely no access component. It allows a DDOS attack,
not provide remote access to a machine.
From the bug:
A flaw was found in the way the Apache HTTP Server handled Range HTTP
headers. A remote attacker could use this flaw
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:26 AM, Trey Dockendorf wrote:
On Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote:
On 12/29/2011 02:21 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Would this spec file (and source tar ball) built the
On 29 December 2011 12:42, John Broome jbro...@gmail.com wrote:
OEL6 is rebuilt RHEL6. CentOS 6 is rebuilt RHEL6.
Funnily enough, OEL6 is excluded from the certified list of Linux
distributions hence no, it is not a good idea to install it and then
expect Oracle to support it even though RedHat
å¤ç¥ãå²©ç· wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even
On 12/29/2011 06:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
snip
I like to use serial numbers from MB, HDD, etc., as passwords. I never
The one problem with this is that *if* the attacker has the slightest idea
of the hardware, their task is vastly smaller. I trust, for
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even though the ssh key is more
random, they're both
You are using RHEV2.2 right?
There are no such tools for this version.
That's right, explains why I haven't been able to find 'em.
RHEV3.0 has RHEL guest agent for both RHEL5 guests and RHEL6 guest, the
sources should be open in ovirt.org in the near future
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Bennett Haselton benn...@peacefire.org wrote:
(Side note: my friend replied to clarify that the kernel exploit he was
talking about that was found in March of this year, was one that allowed a
local user to gain root privilege, not one that allowed a remote
- Original Message -
From: Johan Kooijman m...@johankooijman.com
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:07:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEV guest tools
I dont use RHEV (yet) but being that its based on KVM and libvirt I
dont
think you
Hello, I have dedicated server on CentOS Linux 6.1 with
webmin/virtualmin and it tell me:
Package updates 145 updates to system packages are available. Use the
Virtualmin Package Updates module to install them selectively.
4 updates to Virtualmin packages are available. Use the
Am 29.12.2011 15:24, schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:
Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is too long and too
On 12/29/2011 05:27 AM, Rob Kampen wrote:
Hi List,
Just loaded our favorite OS onto my new ASUS laptop.
Practically everything worked out of the box - I used the live DVD to
check things out and installed from there.
I have followed
On 12/30/2011 12:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
夜神　岩男 wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am
On 29/12/2011 15:23, Marc Deop wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:35:34 Daniel Bird wrote:
retry=n The number of minutes to retry an NFS mount operation in the
foreground or background before giving up. The default
value for forground mounts is 2 minutes. The default
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even though the ssh key is more
random, they're both sufficiently random that it would take at least
hundreds of years
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 09:17, schrieb Bennett Haselton:
Even though the
I'm getting everything you mentioned in RHEV-M from my linux guests
except ip address with no guest tools installed.
Hm, that's odd. I'm seeing only CPU, but no memory for example. See
screenshort earlier in the thread.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards,
Johan Kooijman
T +31(0)
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:59:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 14:21, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
so explain me why discuss to use or not to use the best
currently availbale method in context of security?
Using the ssh key can be problematic because it is
On Thursday 29 December 2011 14:59:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
the hughe difference is: while having the same password (for the key)
it can not be used directly for brute-force und you need the password
and at least one time access to the key file
Explain me how having a key protected by a
On 12/29/2011 04:34 AM, Johan Kooijman wrote:
You are using RHEV2.2 right?
There are no such tools for this version.
That's right, explains why I haven't been able to find 'em.
RHEV3.0 has RHEL guest agent for both RHEL5 guests and RHEL6 guest, the
sources should be open in ovirt.org in
On Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote:
On 12/29/2011 02:21 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Would this spec file (and source tar ball) built the proper package?
If not, where would I get it.
I would be happy to build the proper source for centos extras for CentOS
On 29 December 2011 19:01, John Broome jbro...@gmail.com wrote:
So if oracle isn't certified to run on OEL 6, did oracle roll it out
just for shits and giggles?
coughsolariscough
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On 29 December 2011 19:31, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
As I said, there are many, many more RHEL installations, and most of them
will want to go to RHEL6 within the coming year. And, of course, some of
those installations are LARGE$$$ customers of Oracle (for example, I
have personal
Dear All,
I just got a new server with the following specifications:
motherboard : Intel S5500BC
CPU : Xeon Quad Core 2.6Ghz
RAM : 8GB
HDD : 4 x 2TB SATA with configured raid 10 using raid embedded
server.
The problem is the centos installer can't detect raid virtual
Am 30.12.2011 00:41, schrieb David:
Dear All,
I just got a new server with the following specifications:
motherboard : Intel S5500BC
CPU : Xeon Quad Core 2.6Ghz
RAM : 8GB
HDD : 4 x 2TB SATA with configured raid 10 using raid embedded
server.
The problem is the
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
夜神　岩男 wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:21 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Thursday 29 December 2011 13:07:56 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 12:56, schrieb Leonard den Ottolander:
On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 12:29 +0100, Reindl Harald
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