On 12/15/20 7:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
Why would RedHat invest millions more
in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the beta?
Indeed.
Often, when you can't find a reasonable answer to a question, it is
because the premise of the question itself is wrong.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> $250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
> account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
> that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
> the world,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:14 PM Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> Every package that ends up in a RHEL point release is in Stream at some
> point, right? While I can certainly believe that the cost for the entire
> CentOS effort is much more than
On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Johnny Hughes
mailto:joh...@centos.org>> wrote:
$250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
> >> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> >> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually
> the
> >> stated motivation
> >>
On 12/15/20 6:30 PM, R C wrote:
>
> On 12/15/20 3:04 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>
>> If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine. There will be one available.
>> Someone will make one.
>
> Once IBM owns it? You think? They allowed cloning once .. a long time
> ago.
>
How many people have to tell
On 12/15/20 6:12 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
>> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
>> stated motivation
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
>
> First, I will
On 12/15/20 3:04 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
If you want a RHEL clone, that's fine. There will be one available.
Someone will make one.
Once IBM owns it? You think? They allowed cloning once .. a long time
ago.
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> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> stated motivation
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
First, I will note that I think the idea of creating *a version of*
On 12/15/20 4:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
Nicolas Kovacs
Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/15/20 5:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
> >>> Nicolas Kovacs
>
> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for
On 12/15/20 5:11 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
>> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
>>> Nicolas Kovacs
Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:
>>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
> > Nicolas Kovacs
> >>
> >> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:
> >>
> >>
>
On 12/14/20 8:25 AM, James Pearson wrote:
> Nicolas Kovacs
>>
>> Here's an interesting read which makes a point for CentOS Stream:
>>
>> https://freedomben.medium.com/centos-is-not-dead-please-stop-saying-it-is-at-least-until-you-read-this-4b26b5c44877
>>
>> tl;dr: Communication about Stream was
Le 15/12/2020 à 17:04, Ruslanas Gžibovskis a écrit :
> But free flag is in uncertain situation.
>
> And I have been working with UBK or how is shortened their unbreakable
> kernel... No good ;)) we managed to break it ;)) and recover DB.
I'm not sure you understand what you're saying.
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On 15/12/2020 18:35, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:21:17PM +, Phil Perry wrote:
thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we
communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone listing here?
Here you go:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908047
At the moment
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:45:43AM -0700, R C wrote:
>
> I didn't know that fact, but hey that could be a pretty cool tribute.
It was in Greg's announcement of Rocky Linux. Right up near the top
if I recall correctly.
John
--
Time
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:21:17PM +, Phil Perry wrote:
> >thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we
> >communicate this? Bugzilla? Anyone listing here?
>
> Here you go:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908047
>
> At the moment the only way we have to feed
On 12/15/20 11:15 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 12/15/20 5:58 PM, R C wrote:
When was the last time a large company (think IBM, Sun, Novell Netware,
Oracle) had a great idea to create or take over an OS, or a community
only ending up in a situation that only almost killed them. (Yeah MS,
On 15/12/2020 17:51, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
Am 15.12.20 um 18:07 schrieb Phil Perry:
3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each
package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back
broken packages.
thanks to bring this up - this is a big
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:07 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc,
> but
> > they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
> > not to. Ya know,
On 12/15/20 5:58 PM, R C wrote:
> When was the last time a large company (think IBM, Sun, Novell Netware,
> Oracle) had a great idea to create or take over an OS, or a community
> only ending up in a situation that only almost killed them. (Yeah MS,
> but they figured out that giving it away for
On 12/15/20 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but
they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:53 PM Matti Pulkkinen wrote:
>
> Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 18.04:
> > I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so
> > on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in
> > mind that anyone can
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> I know you and other RHEL folks keep saying this about cashing out etc, but
> they could have kept stream and Centos stable at the same time but chose
> not to. Ya know, if it walks like a duck and quacks as a duck...who knows
> maybe
Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 18.04:
I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so
on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in
mind that anyone can change their licence any time.
If You ask personally me, Matti, I do not
Am 15.12.20 um 18:07 schrieb Phil Perry:
3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each
package in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back
broken packages.
thanks to bring this up - this is a big issue. How could we communicate
this? Bugzilla? Anyone
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:31 AM Phelps, Matthew
wrote:
> Not to mention the constant barrage of "You just want free Red Hat" and
> "CentOS users are moochers" and "We deserve value from all those CentOS
> users, so we're going to turn them into beta testers for RHEL." I have
> gotten these
Am 15.12.20 um 18:22 schrieb Phil Perry:
On 15/12/2020 17:13, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL
(6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each
package in Stream
On 12/15/20 10:31 AM, Jon Pruente wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote:
'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick
another distro name)
The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer
with us, in his memory.
I didn't know
Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2020, 12:06 -0500 schrieb Matthew Miller:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
> > I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
> > licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
> > things 'fair'.
>
> So, again,
On 12/15/20 10:30 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's...
On 12/15/20 10:24 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
stated motivation
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:48 AM R C wrote:
> 'Rocky Linux' guy might actually be on to something (although I'd pick
> another distro name)
>
The name comes from his CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh, who is no longer
with us, in his memory.
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Tom Bishop wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> > reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> > stated motivation
>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:06 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think there will be a course change either, but for different
> reasons. The motivation isn't "cashing/selling out". It's... actually the
> stated motivation
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q2
>
>
>
On 15/12/2020 17:13, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in
Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll
On 12/15/20 10:06 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
things 'fair'.
So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing
On 15/12/2020 17:09, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC
(USA) via CentOS wrote:
On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package in
Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken
> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
> Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
>>> 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package
>>> in Stream repository so no
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:09:39PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> > 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package
> > in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken
> > packages.
> Really? I
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:29:51PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Good day from Singapore,
> What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?
CentOS Linux rebuilds packages after they are available from Red Hat as
errata or as minor release updates.
CentOS Stream
> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> 3. 'dnf downgrade foo' doesn't work as only latest/one copy of each package
> in Stream repository so no opportunity to downgrade/roll back broken packages.
Really? I hadn't appreciated that. How does one the contribute back to RH/the
On 15/12/2020 15:29, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Good day from Singapore,
What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?
At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December
2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift its focus to CentOS Stream.
Is
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:48:21AM -0700, R C wrote:
> I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
> licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
> things 'fair'.
So, again, please stay tuned. Not for licensing schemes for CentOS, but for
programs for
On 12/15/20 9:20 AM, Kevin K wrote:
As a bystander who just the other day saw this, no. It doesn't appear that
it will be a bleeding edge kernel. Just builds of the next kernel expected
to be in the next 8.X release. So you are getting updated features
earlier, but maybe before all the known
As a bystander who just the other day saw this, no. It doesn't appear that
it will be a bleeding edge kernel. Just builds of the next kernel expected
to be in the next 8.X release. So you are getting updated features
earlier, but maybe before all the known issues are resolved to a state
ready
I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so
on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in
mind that anyone can change their licence any time.
If You ask personally me, Matti, I do not see point using oracleLinux if
can use Rocky/fedora
Good day from Singapore,
What are the differences between CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream?
At the moment, I only know that CentOS 8 support will end on 31 December
2021 while Red Hat Inc will shift its focus to CentOS Stream.
Is CentOS Stream going to be very similar to Fedora Linux, shipping
Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 11.14:
Legal and "can do" are 2 different things. ;)
As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could
elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the
insinuation and analogy? Oracle's proposition [1] seems pretty
> Il 14/12/20 23:47, Ruslanas Gžibovskis ha scritto:
>> your suggestions?
>
> It is the debian family time man. I'm converting many stuff to debian
> buster and some on Ubuntu LTS 20.04.
>
> Would be great if FreeBSD will be largely adopted now.
FreeBSD becomes more and more my favorite now:
-
Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2020, 10:14 +0100 schrieb Ruslanas Gžibovskis:
> GPL stuff applies only to GPL parts, but they can have Oracle blob in
> everything. The same time, TM's and so on...
According to the Oracle license terms and official statements, it is
"free to download, use and share. There
Il 14/12/20 23:47, Ruslanas Gžibovskis ha scritto:
your suggestions?
It is the debian family time man. I'm converting many stuff to debian
buster and some on Ubuntu LTS 20.04.
Would be great if FreeBSD will be largely adopted now.
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On 13/12/20 7:15 pm, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to make
CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the same reasons
that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat
On 14/12/20 6:56 am, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is
GPL stuff applies only to GPL parts, but they can have Oracle blob in
everything. The same time, TM's and so on...
Do you know how one of the biggest cases with torrents and MS products was
won against guys who shared it? Because MS TM was used incorrect way,
sharing ISO files of ALL MS projects
On 12/15/20 2:05 AM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
Oracle Linux, only after Oracle Solaris will shine again with their awesome
SPARC arch... Which has an amazing features...
Solaris tried to take over the "Sunos/bsd status quo", that was a
disaster, it was a good idea but licensing killed it.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:18 AM Patrick Bégou <
patrick.be...@legi.grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> I'm also using CentOS for a while and I'm deploying a CentOS8 cluster
> for some months because it was supported until 2029! Bad idea.
> For me, using debian has 2 important drawbacks
> - some of
Oracle Linux, only after Oracle Solaris will shine again with their awesome
SPARC arch... Which has an amazing features...
Nice, I did not check Devuan for a long time, if they still alive...
hmm, I have hope in Rocky then, but would be more fun if guys do not just
scrap everything fast into
On 12/15/20 9:48 AM, R C wrote:
> The only thing RHEL can 'bank on' in the near future is that there is
> nothing else around yet. (but problems like these never lasted long in
> the past)
Springdale made by Princeton exists longer then CentOS:
https://puias.math.ias.edu/
They have "network" CD
On 12/15/20 1:32 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 15/12/2020 à 08:17, Nikolaos Milas a écrit :
My course of action is to wait for Lenix (Ref.:
https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
and Rocky Linux (https://rockylinux.org/) by CentOS original
On 12/15/20 9:32 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 15/12/2020 à 08:17, Nikolaos Milas a écrit :
>>
>> My course of action is to wait for Lenix (Ref.:
>> https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
>> and Rocky Linux (https://rockylinux.org/) by CentOS
I think that Centos, being that close to RHEL, should have had a
licensing scheme for personal use, small business use, just to make
things 'fair'.
It should be fine to use Centos as a "Community Enterprise OS", as a
stepping stone, but once it starts taking off, like it did with some big
Le 15/12/2020 à 08:17, Nikolaos Milas a écrit :
>
> My course of action is to wait for Lenix (Ref.:
> https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
> and Rocky Linux (https://rockylinux.org/) by CentOS original founder.
Right now Rocky Linux is not
I'm also using CentOS for a while and I'm deploying a CentOS8 cluster
for some months because it was supported until 2029! Bad idea.
For me, using debian has 2 important drawbacks
- some of proprietary software we are using is certified RHEL and SLES.
Deploying on CentOS is out-of-thebox.
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