show only the presentation.
Cheers,
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>
> Our system
> administrator doesn't update the system because of the excuse of
> keeping the machine stable.
Does he also avoid to take showers in order to stay clean?
:o)
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Jim Perrin a écrit :
>
> 2. Are you hosting static content or dynamic pages?
Both and neither :o)
I'm a system administrator for a series of public libraries here, and
hosting several dynamic sites on a dedicated server (running CentOS).
I'm just in one of my documentation phases, where I hav
Ralph Angenendt a écrit :
>
> apache:apache - at least that is the UID/GID the webserver runs under.
>
Thanks very much... and thumbs up to one of the authors. I really like
the book.
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Hi,
I'm currently sinking my teeth into the fine "Definitive Guide to
CentOS". Right now I'm reading the chapter about Apache. One thing
puzzles me: no mention is made of web page permissions.
Let's say I'm using Apache's default configuration for setting up the
most simple no-frills web serve
Akemi Yagi a écrit :
>
> One quick and dirty method will be to count the word "showpage' that
> is not commented out. But this may not give you an accurate number of
> pages (some aliases might be used).
I found a neat solution, finally. My initial document is a PDF, so here
goes:
$ pdfinfo f
Hi,
I'm looking for a way to get the number of pages contained in a
PostScript document, so I can use it in a script.
Any suggestions?
Niki
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Johnny Hughes a écrit :
>
> Not sure about a mailing list or group ... but I thought I would post
> this resource. It is where I go when I want to find bash info:
>
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
This is the other resource I'm using besides the book. But I'm
specifically looking for a place
Hi,
The subject says it all. After a few years of writing scripts the quick
and dirty way, I've decided to take the plunge and learn Bash correctly,
using the O'Reilly Bash Cookbook. I'm currently looking for the right
place to ask questions, but curiously enough, Google searches about
"bash f
Toralf Lund a écrit :
> Has anyone here tried the Compiz window manager under CentOS 5? I just
> thought I might give it a go, but when I executed "compiz --replace", I
> got a segfault. This was using the version from the CentOS yum
> repositories, and logged in to the GNOME desktop. My graphic
u derog) state of
mind in which one is not concerned by the immediate wishes or needs of
Ian Murray".
Cheers from the sunny South of France,
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Ian Murray a écrit :
> Niki,
>
> I am perfectly comfortable with my email client and I prefer top posting
> because I don't like wading through constantly re-quoted stuff I already
> read. I will on occasion interleave and bottom post if it serves my
> purpose, though. If you don't like it, don
lain.
Guess it's never too late to learn how to do things correctly. Most
folks know how to use their email client in the sense that chickens fly
and horses swim.
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Hi,
I'd like to integrate a handful of shell scripts into my Nautilus file
browser, for example to be able to resize a selection of images with one
click via ImageMagick, or convert videos easily. After a bit of
Googling, I found out that folks seem to do this by placing scripts into
~/.gnome2
Christoph Maser a écrit :
>
> Just a random guess. Do you have right openoffice.org-langpack
> installed?
Yes.
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Hi,
Until now I've been a happy user of CentOS. Everything just works(tm),
and I don't care if application versions are slightly outdated.
Next week I have to give a series of classes for a company that recently
made the switch to Linux. On schedule is a one-week course for Writer
and Calc.
A
Niki Kovacs a écrit :
>
> But I can't seem to find that page anymore. Anyone remembers it?
I'll answer that myself, since I just found it. You just have to jump
through several burning loops on the website in order to access it:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/instal
some RHEL5 RPMS on that site.
But I can't seem to find that page anymore. Anyone remembers it?
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Akemi Yagi a écrit :
>
> Maybe this CentOS wiki helps?
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Network/SecuringSSH
I just gave it a try: works like a charm.
Thanks!
Niki
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Hi,
I'd like to use SSH without password so I can use it in scripts (for
example in combination with rsync to do backups). I have Carla
Schroder's "Linux Cookbook" and I'm trying out the various receipts, but
the one for SSH without a password doesn't work. The book is slightly
dated, and I wo
Sander Snel a écrit :
> # for user in user1 user2 user3 ; do useradd $user ; echo "password" |
> passwd --stdin $user ; done
>
> cant make it any simpler
Indeed. Thanks very much!
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Hi,
I need to setup a load of user accounts on a series of machines, for
testing purposes. I'm using a script to do this, but the only problem I
have so far: I have to activate them all manually by doing passwd user1,
passwd user2, passwd user3, etcetera. The useradd man page mentions a -p
opt
Sander Snel a écrit :
> The tool you need is nfs-utils, if you do a
> # rpm -qi --provides nfs-utils
> you will get output of which software it provides, and some info about
> the package.
> Most of the nfs service is handled by the kernel:
> "Summary : NFS utlilities and supporting clients an
Frank Cox a écrit :
>
> There isn't much to setting up a simple NFS fileserver and client mount. Set
> up /etc/exports on the server (this assumes your client is 192.168.0.3)
>
> /whatever/where-ever/ 192.168.0.3(rw)
>
> Start the nfs service. Create a mount point on the client
>
> "mkdir /mn
o a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I have a program that writes lots of files to a directory tree
Did that program also write your address header ?
:o)
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Niki Kovacs a écrit :
>
> # chown jcpascot:agents /home/pub/jcpascot/
> # chown nkovacs:agents /home/pub/nkovacs
> # chmod 0750 /home/pub/*
Small mistake. This last line should go chmod 2750, so every file
created in that directory will have the same group (
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
>
> http://rofi.roger-ferrer.org/eiciel/?s=2
First of all, thanks for the instant replies. I took a peek at ACLs and
how they work. But then, being a fervent adept of the KISS (Keep It
Simple Stupid) principle (I started out with Slackware some eight years
ago),
Hi,
I have to solve an apparently simple permission problem, and I don't
know if it's the sunny weather or birdsong, well... I just can't figure
it out. Here goes.
I have a bunch of users in a public library. Some are "administrators":
they handle the library, write the docs for everyone, etc.
Carlos Santana a écrit :
> Thanks Niki.
>
> More specifically it hangs after:
> Downloading Packages:
> Running rpm_check_debug
> Running Transaction Test
>
> If I did yum clean all while app. is running then I get following message:
> [r...@localhost ~]# yum clean all
> Existing lock /var/run/yu
Carlos Santana a écrit :
> Howdy,
>
> The yum install hangs in between. This happened few days as
> well, but just after doing Ctrl+C it reported error with mirror and
> switched to another one. Today, however, it is not responding to
> Ctrl+C and kill or kill -9 command is also not working. Any
Dmitry a écrit :
> Hi.
>
> Could you please give me advice about issue described below.
>
> My friends have to use a PC with old hardware for a few months. They've
> got 128MB of RAM, 20 GB hard drive; Pentium 3 processor.
>
> At the moment they have windows xp running on it, but it's very slow
luc...@lastdot.org a écrit :
> Yeah, unfortunatelly I don't know either. Never used systems for such
> thing, it's probably a udev issue. Easy solution is to chown user
> /dev/dsp and then add this command to rc.local.
OK, I followed your quick & dirty hack. I have to be root to set the
volume l
luc...@lastdot.org a écrit :
>
> ls -al /dev/{dsp,audio} ?
On my laptop:
[kikino...@lifebook ~]$ ls -al /dev/{dsp,audio}
crw--- 1 kikinovak root 14, 4 jui 6 07:32 /dev/audio
crw--- 1 kikinovak root 14, 3 jui 6 07:32 /dev/dsp
And on the jukebox:
[kikino...@jukebox ~]$ ls -al /dev/{dsp
Hi,
I just transformed an old Pentium III 500 into a headless jukebox. It's
installed in the basement, near the stereo. There's only a base CentOS
system on it (GNOME unchecked, package customization checked and then
everything unchecked). From there on, I just installed the ALSA utils,
and vo
Thanks everybody for the detailed hints and answers, on the list as well
as offlist.
I got myself a second "sandbox" PC today, and I just installed two
vanilla CentOS 5.3 systems on them. It'll be much easier to figure out
the innards of NFS without the constantly nagging fear of breaking
some
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Frank Cox a écrit :
There isn't much to setting up a simple NFS fileserver and client mount. Set
up /etc/exports on the server (this assumes your client is 192.168.0.3)
/whatever/where-ever/ 192.168.0.3(rw)
Start the nfs service. Create a mount point on the client
"mk
JohnS a écrit :
>
> It is in the man page which is astonishing to me.
>
Neither 'man nfs' nor 'man exports' specify any version. But I tried
again to mount the NFS share, this time by specifying a filesystem, like
this:
# mount -t nfs4 raymonde:/data /home/shares
Here's what I got this time:
Hi,
I've never been using NFS before, but I'm going to need it. I gathered
some documentation (Deployment Guide, RHEL 5 Unleashed, general NFS
docs) and I have a few machines to experiment with.
After about two hours of reading and experimenting, I must admit the
documentation is confusing, to
JohnS a écrit :
> yum install Sabayon.i386
This looks exactly like the tool I need. But isn't the project abandoned?
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Eduardo Grosclaude a écrit :
>
> You could create a new dummy user, customize her desktop as you wish
> and then look for the dot-g* hidden directories in her home.
> Directories called .gconf, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private and such
> are candidates. Some apps will use .local or .config also.
>
Hi,
The subject says it all. I'd like to copy my own custom desktop
configuration for other users on the machine without having to go
manually through the hassle.
Here's a non-exhaustive list of what I usually tweak :
* Theme + icons
* background image
* panel
* screensaver
* Nautilus behaviou
Ralph Angenendt a écrit :
> I really liked "LDAP for Rocket Scientists":
>
> http://www.zytrax.com/books/ldap/
>
>> * fun to read
>
> Well. It wraps itself around LDAP. For that it is astonishingly funny.
> But do not expect too much :)
>
Well, the beginning looks very promising, thanks
Niki Kovacs a écrit :
> Thanks! I'll keep that information "in a corner of my head", as the
> French say. I just skimmed through the online docs, which require "a
> knowledge of LDAP". That's not the case for me, so I'll have a go at
> experime
Sander Snel a écrit :
> there is a repo with the enterprise ipa for centos 5 available
>
> http://www.math.ias.edu/PU_IAS/RHEIPA/5.2/
>
> or follow the instructions how to build it yourself from howtoforge
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-build-rhel-ipa-rpms-for-centos-5
Thanks! I'll keep t
U/Linux (better: 100%
CentOS). So my first question is: which solution is the "best" for such
a configuration ? By "best" I mean some compromise between "easy" and
"reliable".
Any suggestions ?
Niki Kovacs
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Lanny Marcus a écrit :
> Looks like for the moment,
> KompoZer is the easiest thing for me to use on Linux. It lacks a lot
> of stuff I'm used to in M$ FrontPage
It took my 15-year-old nephew about two rainy afternoons to learn XHTML
and CSS. All those WYSIWYG tools will allow you to make websit
Tom Brown a écrit :
> what does you named.conf look like? i am guessing you have it set to
> only listen on localhost
>
> make sure you have a line similar to
>
> listen-on port 53 { 192.168.10.1; };
>
> and bounce named
I just got it to work. In fact, I deleted the stock caching-nameserver
Tom Brown a écrit :
>
> 53 udp and tcp ?
No, that's not it. I disabled the (internal) firewall just for testing's
sake, and still nothing. I can only use Bind on localhost (e. g. on the
machine where I installed it), but not from any other machine on the
network.
_
Hi,
The subject says it all. On my "server" machine in the local LAN
(192.168.1.252 in a 192.168.1.0/24 network), I setup Bind. I installed
the 'caching-nameserver' package, which provides a set of configuration
files for Bind so it can be used as a caching nameserver out of the box.
On the se
David Hrbác a écrit :
>
> Niki,
> that's starting the flame. Compare to PLD linux... more than 1
> RPMs...
Well, no flame intended. So let me just add this. I'm a happy RPMForge
repo user. No other third-party repos. I've learned how to circumvent
the odd quirks in the repo (like: how do
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
> (And I won't mention the quality of Ubuntu's packages.)
> As for TUV, they decided they can only support ~2.5k packages,
> regardless of the fact that they're the #1 Linux company.
How many employees does Canonical have? AFAIK, it all started with a
group of 30
nux.fr/documentation.html
If you really don't want to use Vim, I'd recommend Bluefish.
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>
> If I take a look at /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-eth0.leases (on the
> client), here's a summary of the lease:
>
> lease {
>interface "eth0";
>fixed-address 192.168.1.2;
>option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
>opti
Rob Townley a écrit :
> # i do NOT have any kind of use-host-decl-names on; entry. Do you use
> dnsmasq or dhcpd?
I'm using DHCPD. I took two spare machines this morning and played
around with them to make some tests. Here's what I got.
a) Server-side, static IP configuration of course, here's
om the DHCP
server? During the initial install, I assigned hostnames manually to
every machine.
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Hi,
The last six months, I've been busy writing "Linux aux petits oignons",
a general introduction to GNU/Linux. The book is aimed at the beginner
(or intermediate) reader, though :
1) it's *not* based on Ubuntu, but on CentOS 5.3
2) it doesn't shy away from explaining basic UNIX concepts
3) it
Filipe Brandenburger a écrit :
>
> userlist_enable = YES
> userlist_deny = NO
> userlist_file = /etc/vsftpd.user_list
>
> And then:
>
> # echo install >/etc/vsftpd.user_list
>
> That way only "install" will be able to log in to the FTP server.
Thanks very much !
Niki
Rainer Duffner a écrit :
> Yup.
> If you have the time, you can experiment with the blocksize and see
> where the throughput is best.
> http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-09/msg01375.html
Interesting thread. Guess I'll give it a few spins with different
blocksizes (
Rainer Duffner a écrit :
>
> Ever booted a live-CD?
> It also knows your disks (unless it's a server, except for maybe the
> CentOS LiveCD, most other's suck on servers - they simply don't
> recognize the controllers).
The question was not about the LiveCD, but more about the use of dd. So,
Kevin Krieser a écrit :
>
> I've done the zeroing out thing on mounted filesystems before when I
> wanted to move the contents of a drive to another. zeroing out before
> would be best if you planned to do an install, then back it up for
> later. Otherwise, you end up with a lot of unused
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg a écrit :
>
> Niki,
>
> I suggest you look at partimage.
> G4U seems similar, but partimage doesn't write free blocks to the
> images, so you don't get these huge files.
> It's worked well for me.
> It's in rpmforge.
Thanks for the suggestion. I just took a look at it. But
Rainer Duffner a écrit :
> Ideally, the zero'ing of the disk should take place before the OS is
> installed, via a boot-cd and using dd with the disk-device itself
Erm... how exactly would you go about that? Let's say I want to do that
with a Knoppix boot CD, and the only hard disk I have on t
Hi,
I'm currently experimenting with G4U (Ghost for Unix), a small cloning
application sending disk images to an FTP server.
The application reads the whole disk bit by bit, compresses it and then
stores it remotely. Due to this approach, it's more or less
filesystem-independent. The drawback
ore like contradictory.
One detail: this isn't a publicly accessible machine, e. g. it's not out
there on the wild internet, only on the LAN, so there's no special
security considerations.
Any suggestions ?
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nate a écrit :
>
> Try it out and see what happens.. since the version change seems
> pretty minor I wouldn't expect too much breakage .. Though to be
> on the safe side it's probably good to install it to another
> directory(/usr/local or something) and change the package name so
> it doesn't con
Ladislav Bodnar a écrit :
>
> Hey, didn't you abandon Linux and switch to Windows not long ago? I remember
> you making a big deal out of this on your blog. Or did you change your mind
> again? Was the Windows world that bad?
To err is human. Béranger is looking for perfection in an imperfect
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit :
> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Niki Kovacs wrote:
>
>> Some of them require GTK2 2.12 to build, so I'm
>> considering a (careful) upgrade of this package.
>>
>> General question: 1) how "safe" is it to upgrade this
>> pa
1) how "safe" is it to upgrade this package? To do so,
I'd use an SRPM from Fedora. 2) What could I possible "break" on a
vanilla CentOS install by doing this?
Cheers from the sunny South of France,
Niki Kovacs
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Laurent Wandrebeck a écrit :
>>
>> Can anybody explain this strange behaviour to me?
> localhost is a non routable address: 127.0.0.1.
> So it won't answer on the public ip address if you don't add it yourself.
Thanks! Got it!
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Hi,
I've been setting up a few printer servers with CUPS. Our public
libraries here all run 100% Linux (CentOS 5), so what I do is simply
install the printer on one of the machines (with a static IP) and then
configure CUPS so it can act as a printer server for Linux clients.
It took me some t
Robert Heller a écrit :
>
> An audio CD is not like a data CD. It does not have a 'file system'.
> It is a collection of data tracks, containing cdda files.
>
Yeah, I know. But then, AFAIK, dd is supposed to handle these "binary
sausages" as well. Meaning: take that input (whatever it is) and
John Doe a écrit :
>
> Couldn't it be the copy protection...?
In theory, dd should also take care of copying the copy protection,
isn't it?
:o)
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Michael A. Peters a écrit :
>>
>> 1) Am I supposed to be root to use cdrecord and burn an .iso file?
>
> I've found it works much better if you are root.
>
I tried both, and see: cdrecord complains about not being able to set
certain priorities while being run as user, which induces a high ris
Hi,
I'd like to use cdrecord on the command line. I'm currently reading the
relevant chapter in Carla Schroder's "Linux Cookbook". Unfortunately,
some of the tricks and hints included in the book don't seem to work the
same way on a standard CentOS 5 install.
1) Am I supposed to be root to use
costs only around 25 euros a month. Looks pretty much
unbeatable.
cheers,
Niki Kovacs
PS: I'm running a database server for eleven small public libraries on
it... plus my private webradio to fill some extra unused bandwidth:
http://91.121.7.181:8000/radionovak.ogg :o)
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> At Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:38:40 +0200 CentOS mailing list
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm currently busy finishing "Linux aux petits oignons", a practical
>> introduction to Linux, aimed primarily at the frustrated Windows user.
>> This is the first of two volumes, it's writ
e any comments, suggestions, if you want to point out the odd
typo or mistake, feel free to do so. I can take them into account until
maybe the end of next week, before the folks in the layout department do
their job.
One last thing: since this is not the final version, please
John Doe a écrit :
> If you can hear sound in other applications, maybe try to remove the
> .macromedia
Oh yes! Thanks very much for the suggestion! It worked, and now I have
sound again!
Cheers!
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Max Hetrick a écrit :
> Niki Kovacs wrote:
>
>> I recently had a power failure, and since that, apparently the only
>> problem I have is: flash videos in Firefox have no more sound. I tried
>> to reinstall both firefox and flash-plugin, but to no avail.
>
> Is it
Hi,
I recently had a power failure, and since that, apparently the only
problem I have is: flash videos in Firefox have no more sound. I tried
to reinstall both firefox and flash-plugin, but to no avail.
Any suggestions?
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Ralph Angenendt a écrit :
>>
>> J'ai toujours eu un faible pour Red Hat, mais là, je les apprécie
>> carrément. Comme quoi l'esprit de partage ne s'arrête pas au code source.
>
> Mind your language, Kiddo!
>
Ooops. Sorry, this wasn't meant to go on this ML, but to my local LUG
here in France,
L'entreprise Red Hat réagit à la crise... en supprimant une énorme fête
d'entreprise. Au lieu de cela, ils ont décidé de donner l'argent à
l'équivalent américain des Restos du Coeur, soit quelque 800.000 repas:
http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1314667.html
J'ai toujours eu un faible p
Niki Kovacs a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Since this morning, when I login, GDM gives me an error message on login
> (it's in french, so I try to translate roughly):
>
> $HOME/.dmrc has been ignored, but it is responsible for saving sessions.
> It should not be writable for ot
Hi,
Since this morning, when I login, GDM gives me an error message on login
(it's in french, so I try to translate roughly):
$HOME/.dmrc has been ignored, but it is responsible for saving sessions.
It should not be writable for other users, and permissions should be 644.
Now I had a look at t
7;s not
hard to guess what the command line bits mean:
http://www.microlinux.fr/article.php3?id_article=40
Knowing how to handle RPM can also come in quite useful sometimes:
http://www.microlinux.fr/article.php3?id_article=39
Cheers,
Niki Kovacs
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Thomas Iverson a écrit :
Hi there , you are almost right
adduser is only a symbol-link of the useradd in CentOS , for my
explanation , it may be security-related
you know , to use useradd , you can also specify the home dir,group
and so on , but script codes have danger
adduser under some distros
Hi,
To add a user to the system on the commandline, I usually use the
adduser command.
# adduser newuser
And that's it. I've been using that command probably out of an old
habit, since I've been a long-time Slackware user before. But now I
wanted to dig a bit deeper, and some details puzzle
Karanbir Singh a écrit :
Niki Kovacs wrote:
Well, great to hear it works for you. Unfortunately I don't have the
slightest idea how to make the outgoing sound work here. Googling only
shows that the problem seems rather widespread. It-works-here doesn't
help me very much.
h
Rob Townley a écrit :
Don't use skype, but r u sure your firewall is not blocking outgoing sound?
Funny, I never gave that a thought. Any idea which port I would have to
open?
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Lanny Marcus a écrit :
Niki: Welcome to the club! This is something I have tried to get
working, on my CentOS 5 (32 bit) desktop. William was very kind and he
volunteered to help, but I have other projects, with higher
priorities, ahead of this one now. Great to know that one of the
previous res
Hi,
Earlier this day I started a thread about Skype not working with
outgoing sound. Now I wonder if it's not a problem with my soundcard. I
had a vague suspicion about this, but since it's way off the original
topic, I decided to start a new thread about this.
Here's what the soundcard look
Karanbir Singh a écrit :
having just got off a 40 min long skype call with some guys on the other
side of the pond, one bit of feedback I can give you is that skype (
from their rpm ) on centos-5 does work !
Well, great to hear it works for you. Unfortunately I don't have the
slightest i
Hi,
I've spent the best part of a sunny afternoon trying to get Skype to
work on my CentOS 5 desktop.
My soundcard seems configured OK.
I can play sounds and hear them OK in my headset:
$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*.wav
I can record speech from my microphone OK:
$ arecord > ~/test.wav
Thom Paine a écrit :
I need to experiment with ldap for a site I manage, and wondered if
vmware would be a good way to go for some testing.
I do a lot of sandbox testing, and VirtualBox is just great for the job!
Cheers,
Niki
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Hi,
I just tried to install a CentOS 5 desktop on very recent hardware, an
Acer desktop machine. The installer stopped short very early. I gave
Ubuntu 8.04 a shot, and it installed without a problem. Now what can I
do about this?
Is there a way to use some "enhanced" kernel (like the centos.
Karanbir Singh a écrit :
ftp.redhat.com - get + rebuild their .src.rpm, that wont have any centos
patches in there :D
Of course! (Slap my forehead)
Thanks!
N
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Spike Turner a écrit :
- desktop-backgrounds-basic.noarch
- desktop-backgrounds-extra.noarch
would give you a decent variety?
Reminds me of that Gary Larson joke:
- Hi, I'd like vanilla icecream.
- Wouldn't you rather have wood / liver / corn?
So let me insist: I want *that*
Hi,
I know I know: upstream minus artwork. Nevertheless, I admit I'd like to
simply use the RHEL background wallpaper for my desktop. Something like:
http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/linux/images/rhel4/44-Desktop.jpg
Can't seem to find these (4 and 5). Any idea?
Cheers,
Niki
Hi,
I'd like to get my microphone to work (mainly to use it with Skype).
I've just been looking for a simple audio recording app, as I vaguely
remember having seen such a thing before, only I can't seem to find it
anymore. I'm using the default GNOME desktop with the latest CentOS 5.
Any sug
are there or what
licence information would we need to include for our customers?
Yes, you are allowed to do that. And if your business runs well,
consider a donation to CentOS.
Cheers,
Niki Kovacs
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