Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-13, Arun Khan wrote: > Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts, suggestions and > comments. I am still leaning towards a hardware raid controller but > will look into the MegaRAID controllers as well. All of the controllers mentioned so far--3ware, MegaRAID (both made by LSI), an

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread SilverTip257
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Arun Khan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM, SilverTip257 wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Keith Keller wrote: > > > >> On 2013-03-12, SilverTip257 wrote: > >> > > >> > I've not had any MegaRAID controllers fail, so I can only say they've > >>

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Arun Khan wrote: >> >> I'll argue that the software RAID process is slightly more complex. And it >> is crucial that one remember to hot-remove the disk ... after all one >> could panic their box by just yanking the drive. >> > > Yes, this could happen inspite of

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-03-13, SilverTip257 wrote: >> >> I'll argue that the software RAID process is slightly more complex. And it >> is crucial that one remember to hot-remove the disk ... after all one >> could panic their box by just yanking the drive.

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Eero Volotinen
2013/3/13 Gordon Messmer : > On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Arun Khan wrote: >> >> @ Gordon - thanks for sharing this piece of info! In case of RAID >> card failure, it is important to be able to recover the data (RAID >> device) with a compatible replacement.Are the LSI MegaRAID >> controller more r

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM, SilverTip257 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Keith Keller wrote: > >> On 2013-03-12, SilverTip257 wrote: >> > >> > I've not had any MegaRAID controllers fail, so I can only say they've >> been >> > reliable thus far! >> >> I think that this is not a hel

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-03-12, SilverTip257 wrote: >> >> I've not had any MegaRAID controllers fail, so I can only say they've been >> reliable thus far! > > I think that this is not a helpful comment for the OP. He wants to > know, in the event the control

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > > @ Gordon - thanks for sharing this piece of info! In case of RAID > card failure, it is important to be able to recover the data (RAID > device) with a compatible replacement.Are the LSI MegaRAID > controller more reliable in this respect? I don't

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Arun Khan
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-03-12, Arun Khan wrote: >> >> Software RAID is an option but I don't think hot swap is possible >> without some tinkering with the mdadm tool a priori. > > Hot-swapping a failed drive is basically the same process AFAICT with a > 3wa

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread m . roth
Keith Keller wrote: > On 2013-03-13, SilverTip257 wrote: >> >> I'll argue that the software RAID process is slightly more complex. And >> it is crucial that one remember to hot-remove the disk ... after all one >> could panic their box by just yanking the drive. > > Agreed, but the OP specificall

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-13, SilverTip257 wrote: > > I'll argue that the software RAID process is slightly more complex. And it > is crucial that one remember to hot-remove the disk ... after all one > could panic their box by just yanking the drive. Agreed, but the OP specifically mentioned wanting to avoid

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-13 Thread SilverTip257
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Keith Keller < kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote: > On 2013-03-12, SilverTip257 wrote: > > > > I've not had any MegaRAID controllers fail, so I can only say they've > been > > reliable thus far! > > I think that this is not a helpful comment for the OP.

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-12 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-12, SilverTip257 wrote: > > I've not had any MegaRAID controllers fail, so I can only say they've been > reliable thus far! I think that this is not a helpful comment for the OP. He wants to know, in the event the controller does fail, can he replace it with a similar-but-possibly-not

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-12 Thread SilverTip257
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 03/06/2013 08:35 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > > > >> Any preference between 1 and 2 above. > > > > Based on about 10 years of running a hundred or so systems with 3ware > > controllers, I

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-12 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-12, Arun Khan wrote: > > Software RAID is an option but I don't think hot swap is possible > without some tinkering with the mdadm tool a priori. Hot-swapping a failed drive is basically the same process AFAICT with a 3ware array or an md array. The primary issue would be to make sure

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-12 Thread Arun Khan
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 03/06/2013 08:35 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > >> Any preference between 1 and 2 above. > > Based on about 10 years of running a hundred or so systems with 3ware > controllers, I would say that you're better off with an LSI MegaRAID > card, or w

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-06, Keith Keller wrote: > > This is surprising to me. I've had one 3ware controller fail in 10 years. I realized that this is untrue. I have had three 3ware controllers fail on me in 10 years, out of about 25. That's actually a pretty poor failure rate. Two of those failures were n

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-06, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 03/06/2013 12:28 PM, Keith Keller wrote: >> Please Note: 1) The default of the unit creation sets write cache >> to "on" for performance reasons. However, if there is no BBU >> available for the controller, a warning is sent to standard error. > > It is a

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread John R Pierce
On 3/6/2013 1:40 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > |megacli cfgldadd > r6[||20||:||0||,||20||:||1||,||20||:||2||,||20||:||3||,||20||:||4||,||20||:||5||,||20||:||6||,||20||:||7||,||20||:||8||,||20||:||9||,||20||:||10||] > a0| > |m||egacli pdhsp set physdrv[||20||:||11||,20:12||] a0 yow, wtf happen

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread John R Pierce
On 3/6/2013 1:05 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > I don't know whether or not there's any noteworthy performance > difference. MegaRAID cards have not been as prone to failure in my > experience. The management software is definitely inferior. megacli doth sucketh mightily, but its a little less anno

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/06/2013 12:28 PM, Keith Keller wrote: > Please Note: 1) The default of the unit creation sets write cache > to "on" for performance reasons. However, if there is no BBU > available for the controller, a warning is sent to standard error. It is a warning that there is no BBU, not a warning t

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-06, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 03/06/2013 10:56 AM, Keith Keller wrote: >> The other standard warnings about using these controllers apply (e.g., >> if using the write cache, have a BBU on the card > > A 3ware card will not enable write caching unless a BBU is present. My man page for

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/06/2013 10:56 AM, Keith Keller wrote: > The other standard warnings about using these controllers apply (e.g., > if using the write cache, have a BBU on the card A 3ware card will not enable write caching unless a BBU is present. ___ CentOS maili

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Keith Keller
On 2013-03-06, Arun Khan wrote: > > I am looking for a hardware raid card that supports up to 4 SATA II > hard disks with hot swap (compatible raid cage) > > I have short listed two LSI/3Ware cards: > 1. 9750-4i > 2. 9650SE-4LPML > > I would appreciate your personal experience with the CLI tools >

Re: [CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/06/2013 08:35 AM, Arun Khan wrote: > > Both appear to be well supported in Linux. They are. > I would appreciate your personal experience with the CLI tools > provided by LSI. > Can they be configured to send email for disk failures or SMART errors? Not the CLI tools. You'll need to run 3

[CentOS] [OT/HW] hardware raid -- comment/experience with 3Ware

2013-03-06 Thread Arun Khan
Greetings, I am looking for a hardware raid card that supports up to 4 SATA II hard disks with hot swap (compatible raid cage) I have short listed two LSI/3Ware cards: 1. 9750-4i 2. 9650SE-4LPML Both appear to be well supported in Linux. I would appreciate your personal experience with the CLI