Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread James Hogarth
Johnny has remarked on the importance of trust. My trust in RedHat went down when I learned they are not shipping all the SRPMs.  Some say it is due to human error.  If that is the case, why should I think they are better at backporting security fixes than at making sure a manifest of SRPMs

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Eero Volotinen
My trust in RedHat went down when I learned they are not shipping all the SRPMs.  Some say it is due to human error.  If that is the case, why should I think they are better at backporting security fixes than at making sure a manifest of SRPMs is complete and correct? Centos, SL and oracle

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Larry Vaden
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:58 AM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: For the record an archive of all mails sent to the mailing list appears here... in this case in date order. http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2011-January/date.html To give you the benefit of the doubt I

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:57:40 am Larry Vaden wrote: Through this experience, starting with a hacked or poisoned name server, or, quite frankly, the perception of one, I have learned what people really see. Having a server hacked is one of the worst things that can happen in IT; not

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 01:51:55 am Larry Vaden wrote: My trust in RedHat went down when I learned they are not shipping all the SRPMs. Some say it is due to human error. If that is the case, why should I think they are better at backporting security fixes than at making sure a

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Larry Vaden
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: If your server was really hacked, I'd start from scratch, and set the new one up more defensively. THANKS for your input; there exists a consensus, so that's what will be done (replace 4.8 with 5.x). Troy says Fermi (a great

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:37:57PM -0600, Larry Vaden wrote: THANKS for your input; there exists a consensus, so that's what will be done (replace 4.8 with 5.x). Troy says Fermi (a great target for the miscreants/actors) runs stock BIND as it appears in RHEL/CentOS/SL, so, to be redundant,

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-19 Thread Larry Vaden
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 5:07 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote:        Just out of curiosity, have you ever thought about hiring a        competent admin? Yes. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

[CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Always Learning
From: Larry Vaden va...@texoma.net Date: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:03 PM Subject: sources of bind-9.7.2-P3 rpms for Centos 4.8 and 5.5? Our site running Centos 4.8 and 5.5 name servers was hacked with the result that www.yahoo.com is now within our /19 and causing some grief. Don't

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Always Learning cen...@g7.u22.net wrote: Don't understand what you mean by 'within our /19'. Have your IP ranges changed?  If your Bind date is corrupt, why not re-install Centos and then restore the domains data from one of your regular backups? Our network

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Always Learning cen...@g7.u22.net wrote: From: Larry Vaden va...@texoma.net Date: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:03 PM Subject: sources of bind-9.7.2-P3 rpms for Centos 4.8 and 5.5? Our site running Centos 4.8 and 5.5 name servers was hacked with the result that

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread James Hogarth
Our network consists of aaa.bbb.ccc.0/19.  That's CIDR notation for 8,192 addresses. But what has that got to do with www.yahoo.com moved into our /19 your comment is pretty unclear. IMHO, fully updated purpose-built servers running 4.8 should have more or less the same vulnerablity

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, February 18, 2011 04:15:28 pm Always Learning wrote: From: Larry Vaden va...@texoma.net Our site running Centos 4.8 and 5.5 name servers was hacked with the result that www.yahoo.com is now within our /19 and causing some grief. Don't understand what you mean by 'within our

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread James Hogarth
I think I do; he's an ISP, and apparently someone inside his address block (the CIDR notation /19; his actual block is publicly found by doing a quick nslookup of his domain name, noting the IP address of the DNS server(s) listed, and then a whois of the IP address of the DNS server(s).  

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 18:32 -0500, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, February 18, 2011 04:15:28 pm Always Learning wrote: Don't understand what you mean by 'within our /19'. I think I do; he's an ISP, and apparently someone inside his address block ... has hacked in some way the zone file(s)

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:37 PM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: Your mentor? What do you mean by that? The same thing Wikipedia says, namely: a trusted friend, counselor or teacher, usually a more experienced person. Some professions have mentoring programs in which newcomers are

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread James Hogarth
Joe, Randy and James are my mentors of 15, 5 and 5 years, respectively, and all said the same thing, namely nuke and repave, be sure to be current on BIND since it is a purpose-built box (ns1). Perhaps is it a difference in language and what you mean by mentor and where I would mean old

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: With 20/20 hindsight, it is clear that I shouldn't have posted the original post asking the list for help and hopefully informing other potential targets of the risk (read: there were no responses to the original

Re: [CentOS] BInd Problem or Update SSL ?

2011-02-18 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, James Hogarth james.hoga...@gmail.com wrote: Joe, Randy and James are my mentors of 15, 5 and 5 years, respectively, and all said the same thing, namely nuke and repave, be sure to be current on BIND since it is a purpose-built box (ns1). Perhaps is it a