Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
S.Tindall wrote on Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:08:03 -0400: > http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUFilter.aspx Thanks, nice tool! > Checking the cpuinfo on systems using a 4850e (G2) and a 4600+ EE > (F2) both give "cpu family: 15", so they have included the Gs in > the excluded group, too. Yeah. T

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread S.Tindall
On Monday, August 04, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: ...The older one is a 3800+ EE and the newer one is a 4850e which I bought right after it became available. Unless rev. G and up are only quad core CPUs at least the latter 45nm one should be rev G or up, too. But I can't find a definiti

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ned Slider wrote on Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:51:41 +0100: > Were you able to observe any drops in VCore voltage between load, idle > (2500MHz) and 1000MHz with lm_sensors? I can't get any other sensor data than the core temperatures. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive In

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Kai Schaetzl wrote on Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:08:55 +0200: > Hm, it occurs to me now that the older cpu where the time warning doesn't > appear runs already on Xen 3.2.1 which may already have some patch to > avoid this bug. Or it simply doesn't report it anymore :-) The warning is gone after upgra

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Ned Slider
Kai Schaetzl wrote: Kai Schaetzl wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:57:20 +0200: I disagree about the reason. I think they are actually not so efficient. At least not if I compare to a low-voltage CPU. Just checked how much that AMD 4850e CPU drains under various conditions. There are *huge* diffe

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Kai Schaetzl wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:57:20 +0200: > I disagree about the reason. I think they are actually not so efficient. At > least not if I compare to a low-voltage CPU. Just checked how much that AMD 4850e CPU drains under various conditions. There are *huge* differences. I checked w

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ned Slider wrote on Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:34:57 +0100: > quote > # Frequency scaling on AMD rev F CPUs under Xen can result in > # timekeeping problems for fully virtualized guests, so we disable > # it by default. > if [ -d /proc/xen ] && [ "$cpu_vendor" == AuthenticAMD ] \ >

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Kai Schaetzl
S.Tindall wrote on Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:47:06 -0400: > The cpuspeed changelog may be relevant: > > [quote] > * Thu Mar 06 2008 Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Disable freq scaling by default on AMD rev F and earlier cpus > when running xen, due to clock instability (#435321) > [/quote] Tha

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-04 Thread Ned Slider
Kai Schaetzl wrote: S.Tindall wrote on Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:47:06 -0400: The cpuspeed changelog may be relevant: [quote] * Thu Mar 06 2008 Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Disable freq scaling by default on AMD rev F and earlier cpus when running xen, due to clock instability (#435321) [/quot

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread S.Tindall
On Sunday, August 03, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: ...I have an older low-voltage AMD CPU (probably about 2 years on the market) that is recognized as X2 3800+ but frequency scaling fails because it miscalculates the current speed to 800 MHz as well. Is there anything I can do about that

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Kai Schaetzl wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:59:49 +0200: > 5 minutes later: oh, yes, it does! Now I got it to 0% idle and current > frequency jumped to 2333000 (although current scaling frequency was still > shown at 200, on AMDs both figures rise).Looks like a clear bug in the > centrino ker

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Kai Schaetzl wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:31:19 +0200: > Actually, not the latest kernel. The CentOS xen boot (hypervisor) kernel > /xen.gz-2.6.18-92.1.6.el5 (and maybe earlier) ones calculates the frequency > correct, the Xen 3.2 boot kernel (xen.gz-3.2) from the Xen 3.2 package > offered at x

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ned Slider wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:16:25 +0100: > acpi-cpufreq was > autoloaded in response to enabling C1E and EIST features in the BIOS > (which one is responsible I don't know as I enabled both together). Ah, it must have been enabled by C1E. I don't know if I have that or can enable i

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Ned Slider
Kai Schaetzl wrote: Ned Slider wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:09:39 +0100: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15484&forum=37 Thanks for the URL, see below! Bottom line - the power saving between having frequency scaling enabled or not was surprisingly small (only 2-3W)

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ned Slider wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:09:39 +0100: > http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15484&forum=37 Thanks for the URL, see below! > > Bottom line - the power saving between having frequency scaling enabled > or not was surprisingly small (only 2-3W). It would appe

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Kai Schaetzl wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:31:19 +0200: > I have a somewhat related question. That very new AMD CPU mentioned above > was not recognized by CentOS 5.2 and the current frequency was shown as > 80 (instead of 250), although it was running in full speed. The > latest kernel

Re: [CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Ned Slider
Kai Schaetzl wrote: I've been playing and comparing frequency scaling between AMD and Intel CPUs yesterday and there seem to be great differences between AMD and Intel and some gotchas. This is all on CentOS 5.2 with latest Xen kernels (which are supposed to be powersaving-enabled since 5.2).

[CentOS] Questions on cpu frequency scaling AMD vs. Intel

2008-08-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
I've been playing and comparing frequency scaling between AMD and Intel CPUs yesterday and there seem to be great differences between AMD and Intel and some gotchas. This is all on CentOS 5.2 with latest Xen kernels (which are supposed to be powersaving-enabled since 5.2). AMD: It seems once I