Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-30 Thread John Doe
From: Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com Unfortunately when I try it on SL 6.0 hdparm gets a segment Hmmm sector still had random data after rm tmpfile and sync; If SL 6.0 does not support it, I wonder if CentOS 6.0 (or even RH) will... damn.  :/ Guess you have no option to test it with

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-30 Thread Drew
Hmmm sector still had random data after rm tmpfile and sync; /dev/sda3 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,discard) Device Model: KINGSTON SS100S216G Serial Number:    16GB40013421 Firmware Version: D100719 Suppose to support TRIM. Just so you know, in Jan '09 there was a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 26 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: So having SSD in laptop (if they are unreliable) is not much of an option, unless I am going to carry duplicate HDD/SSD just in case this one crashes. I'd argue that's just one of the risks you run with a laptop. In a laptop you've typically

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John Hodrien wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: So having SSD in laptop (if they are unreliable) is not much of an option, unless I am going to carry duplicate HDD/SSD just in case this one crashes. I'd argue that's just one of the risks you run with a laptop. In a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread John Doe
From: aurfal...@gmail.com aurfal...@gmail.com In Windows and OSX its easy to get TRIM working, does any know of TRIM  for linux? You apparently need a 2.6.33+ kernel (I read somewhere RH backported what was needed to their 2.6.32) and an fs like ext4 or brtfs. Read some people giving advice

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread Steve Clark
On 05/27/2011 05:29 AM, John Doe wrote: From: aurfal...@gmail.comaurfal...@gmail.com In Windows and OSX its easy to get TRIM working, does any know of TRIM for linux? You apparently need a 2.6.33+ kernel (I read somewhere RH backported what was needed to their 2.6.32) and an fs like ext4 or

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread John Doe
From: Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com On 05/27/2011 05:29 AM, John Doe wrote: Test = https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/checkiftrimonext4isenabledandworking Tested on Fedora (15) and it worked. Hmmm How do you determine whether TRIM worked or not? See the link. JD

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread Thomas Harold
On 5/26/2011 8:04 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: John Hodrien wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Personally, I'm averse to using SSD with any important long term data is the nightmare that I could one day wake up to find everything gone without any means of recovery.

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread Steve Clark
On 05/27/2011 08:28 AM, John Doe wrote: From: Steve Clarkscl...@netwolves.com On 05/27/2011 05:29 AM, John Doe wrote: Test = https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/checkiftrimonext4isenabledandworking Tested on Fedora (15) and it worked. Hmmm How do you determine whether TRIM

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread John Doe
From: Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com Unfortunately when I try it on SL 6.0 hdparm gets a segment violation on the --read-sector command. The fedora one is 9.36 And the one we used on CentOS 5.6 was 9.37 (compiled it). Maybe try a more recent version... JD

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-27 Thread Steve Clark
On 05/27/2011 10:04 AM, John Doe wrote: From: Steve Clarkscl...@netwolves.com Unfortunately when I try it on SL 6.0 hdparm gets a segment violation on the --read-sector command. The fedora one is 9.36 And the one we used on CentOS 5.6 was 9.37 (compiled it). Maybe try a more recent

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 5/26/11, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: Though thumb drives are flash, they tend to use a slower flash than what is used in hard drive replacement units. No actual industry facts for this, but I think the Flash used in thumb drives are not really any slower by nature/design. This is

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 26 May 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: But I'm generally puzzled by the emphasis many people put on speed. Unless one is a gamer, it doesn't seem to me to make much difference if it takes 13 second or 30 seconds to boot up. Either way it is going to take the same time to get to an URL.

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 5/26/11, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: Spinning disks seem an awful lot like victorian technology taken too far. In the long term, what's *not* to like about the idea of fully solid state storage? Personally, I'm averse to using SSD with any important long term data is the

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Simon Matter
On 5/26/11, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: Though thumb drives are flash, they tend to use a slower flash than what is used in hard drive replacement units. No actual industry facts for this, but I think the Flash used in thumb drives are not really any slower by nature/design. This is

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 26 May 2011, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Personally, I'm averse to using SSD with any important long term data is the nightmare that I could one day wake up to find everything gone without any means of recovery. Compared that to a hard disk, which barring catastrophic physical damage, I

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John Hodrien wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Personally, I'm averse to using SSD with any important long term data is the nightmare that I could one day wake up to find everything gone without any means of recovery. Compared that to a hard disk, which barring

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 26 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Unless you are away on important business trip and you loose your system just minutes before the meeting. Yes, it can happen to regular HDD, it's much lesser probability for now. If I'm going to a meeting where I've got documents I need, they'll

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John Hodrien wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Unless you are away on important business trip and you loose your system just minutes before the meeting. Yes, it can happen to regular HDD, it's much lesser probability for now. If I'm going to a meeting where I've got

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Kevin K
On May 26, 2011, at 3:36 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 5/26/11, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: Though thumb drives are flash, they tend to use a slower flash than what is used in hard drive replacement units. No actual industry facts for this, but I think the Flash used in thumb

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Kevin K
On May 26, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 5/26/11, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: Spinning disks seem an awful lot like victorian technology taken too far. In the long term, what's *not* to like about the idea of fully solid state storage? Personally, I'm

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Kevin K
On May 26, 2011, at 8:12 AM, John Hodrien wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Unless you are away on important business trip and you loose your system just minutes before the meeting. Yes, it can happen to regular HDD, it's much lesser probability for now. If I'm

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread aurfalien
On May 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Kevin K wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 5/26/11, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: Spinning disks seem an awful lot like victorian technology taken too far. In the long term, what's *not* to like about the idea of

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-26 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 5/26/11, Simon Matter simon.mat...@invoca.ch wrote: On 5/26/11, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: Though thumb drives are flash, they tend to use a slower flash than what is used in hard drive replacement units. No actual industry facts for this, but I think the Flash used in thumb

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Keith Roberts
On Tue, 24 May 2011, Kevin K wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On May 24, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: But don't you think that a SSD, or rather Solid State Drive

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Kevin K
To bad I don't make purchasing decisions at work, or I would like a SSD for my Linux system, probably to be upgraded to 6 later in the year. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Keith Roberts
On Wed, 25 May 2011, Kevin K wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition To bad I don't make purchasing decisions at work, or I would like a SSD for my Linux system, probably

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 5/24/11, Benjamin Franz jfr...@freerun.com wrote: On 05/24/2011 08:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: I know you get some USB type SSD's, but people still refer to them as SSD drives, and not USB drives The correct way to describe it is 'a SSD drive *with a USB interface*' or 'a SSD drive *with a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Kevin K
On May 25, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I don't know... SSD drive with a USB interface sounds a big mouthful... most people I know just call thumb drives :D Though thumb drives are flash, they tend to use a slower flash than what is used in hard drive replacement units. I

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Thomas Harold wrote: I've read most of the articles in this thread, and I haven't seen anything that persuades me SSD would be a good investment in my case, either in servers or laptops. *whistles* If you have not tried out a SSD laptop or desktop then you're in for a big surprise.

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/23/2011 12:24 PM, John R Pierce wrote: yes,butt SSD has to erase and write a LARGE block all at once, so they don't do so well with the sorts of 8k random writes that write intensive applications like relational databases commonly perform. Many SSD are faster at writing even to

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Michael Simpson
On 23 May 2011 11:04, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2011, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Doesn't SATA and SAS drives also wear out? Not in such a clear way related to usage.  You could have a SATA disk that you write to 24 hours a day and it could last for years.  With an

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 5/23/2011 7:42 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: A SSD drive can be a SATA drive. SATA is the connection/protocol between the drive and the computer. Not quite. SATA is a type of drive, same as IDE / ATA, SCSI, SATA :) SATA is

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 5/23/2011 7:42 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: A SSD drive can be a SATA drive.  SATA is the connection/protocol between the drive and the computer. Not

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 5/24/2011 10:05 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 5/23/2011 7:42 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: A SSD drive can be a SATA drive. SATA is the connection/protocol

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 5/24/2011 10:05 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 5/23/2011 7:42 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 24 May 2011, Rudi Ahlers wrote: But don't you think that a SSD, or rather Solid State Drive, would still be seen as a different type of drive than a SATA drive, even though they share the same type of bus connector + power cable? A SATA SSD is different to a SATA HDD. Yes. And the

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 5/24/2011 11:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: Personally, I would call it an SATA HDD vs an SATA SSD. The same would be true of a SCSI HDD vs a SCSI SSD. At the moment, if you say SATA drive, most people will understand

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 05/24/2011 08:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: But don't you think that a SSD, or rather Solid State Drive, would still be seen as a different type of drive than a SATA drive, even though they share the same type of bus connector + power cable? Interface and media type are completely

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Devin Reade
--On Monday, May 23, 2011 05:05:38 PM -0700 R - elists list...@abbacomm.net wrote: what specific units are considered server grade ssd's ? What you want to look for in your drive specs are the acronyms SLC and MLC. SLC is enterprise grade, smaller capacity, expensive MLC is consumer

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/24/11 9:36 AM, Devin Reade wrote: --On Monday, May 23, 2011 05:05:38 PM -0700 R - elists list...@abbacomm.net wrote: what specific units are considered server grade ssd's ? What you want to look for in your drive specs are the acronyms SLC and MLC. SLC is enterprise grade,

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/24/2011 09:57 AM, John R Pierce wrote: also you want SSD that has a supercap on its internal cache so pending writes aren't lost in a power failure scenario. You know, I've asked people about that in the past since the whole block read/erase/write cycle seems like a risk in the event of

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Steven Crothers
If you're referring to capacitors, I do not believe modern SSD's used those. Or at least ones I've seen didn't (that I recall). On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote: On 05/24/2011 09:57 AM, John R Pierce wrote: also you want SSD that has a supercap on its

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/24/11 10:32 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/24/2011 09:57 AM, John R Pierce wrote: also you want SSD that has a supercap on its internal cache so pending writes aren't lost in a power failure scenario. You know, I've asked people about that in the past since the whole block

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Steve Clark
On 05/24/2011 02:01 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 05/24/11 10:32 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/24/2011 09:57 AM, John R Pierce wrote: also you want SSD that has a supercap on its internal cache so pending writes aren't lost in a power failure scenario. You know, I've asked people about

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:01 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: (and, please folks, UPS's are great, but they fail too, you can't rely on them for data protection). -- john r pierce                            N 37, W 123 santa cruz ca                         mid-left coast

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Kevin K
On May 24, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: But don't you think that a SSD, or rather Solid State Drive, would still be seen as a different type of drive than a SATA drive, even though they share the same type of bus connector + power cable? I know you get some USB type SSD's,

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-24 Thread Ross Walker
On May 24, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 5/24/2011 11:25 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: Personally, I would call it an SATA HDD vs an SATA SSD. The same would be true of a SCSI HDD vs a SCSI

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 5/22/11, yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com wrote: the only way to go with SSD is RAID due to these reasons. it's unlikely that two disks will die at the same time, so it's possible to use and enjoy them , but don't forget to have a fresh backup and a raid array. ( that should be done

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Kevin Thorpe
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote: On 05/20/2011 01:26 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to use a new SSD for moving all the disk i/o to, that Linux likes to do so often. Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe kevin.tho...@pibenchmark.com wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they all do 'wear levelling' to even the writes across the drive but even so they don't last very long in heavy write

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Doesn't SATA and SAS drives also wear out? Not in such a clear way related to usage. You could have a SATA disk that you write to 24 hours a day and it could last for years. With an SSD, you'd be certain to kill your disk in months if you treated it

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
yonatan pingle wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Keith Roberts anyways - if it's for home usage Don't think twice get an SSD . Why? I've read most of the articles in this thread, and I haven't seen anything that persuades me SSD would be a good investment in my case, either in servers

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Sun, 22 May 2011, Gordon Messmer wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On 05/20/2011 01:26 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to use a new SSD

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Michael Schumacher
Keith, On Friday, May 20, 2011 you wrote: I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to use a new SSD for moving all the disk i/o to, that Linux likes to do so often. Plus putting SWAP onto a decent SSD should speed things up somewhat. As far as I understand, SSD are fast at reading and

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Michael Schumacher wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Michael Schumacher michael.schumac...@pamas.de Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition Keith, On Friday, May 20, 2011 you wrote: I'm wondering if it would be a good

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread John Doe
Here, we are waiting for CentOS 6 for the discard (trim) option from the new kernel... Also, RedHat has some advices: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/newmds-ssdtuning.html JD ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/23/2011 01:22 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: If I'm not mistakened, one issue with using SSD was limited write cycles of the cells? So two SSD used for repeated rewrite operations would likely die around the same time, wouldn't they? An SLC drive with wear leveling should last far longer

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/23/2011 02:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they all do 'wear levelling' to even the writes across the drive but even so they don't last very long in heavy write usage. Yes, there's a limit number of

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Franz
On 05/23/2011 09:39 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/23/2011 02:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they all do 'wear levelling' to even the writes across the drive but even so they don't last very long in heavy

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread m . roth
Jerry Franz wrote: On 05/23/2011 09:39 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/23/2011 02:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they all do 'wear levelling' to even the writes across the drive but even so they don't last

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/23/2011 07:23 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: As far as I understand, SSD are fast at reading and slow at writing. A good SSD will be substantially faster at writes than a disk drive, as well. Because there's no head seeking around a platter, latency is vastly better, which provides a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Jerry Franz wrote: *snip* However, SSD drive reliability itself has been very poor in the field. The failure rate is obscene. See Jeff Atwood's 'The Hot/Crazy Solid State Drive Scale': URL:http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:29 AM, yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Keith not sure about OCZ reliability for production , but i can confirm Intel x-25 drives work great with centos ( about 11 month's now ). I use two drives as /var in md mirror , using it for SQL and logs -

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Franz
On 05/23/2011 11:01 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Now, the question is, is is there any way to tell EXT3/4 to use a separate drive as a cache drive for the same purpose? OR, how about telling CentOS to use a separate drive for caching purposes in the same way? You can use an external journal on a

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Jerry Franz jfr...@freerun.com wrote: On 05/23/2011 11:01 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Now, the question is, is is there any way to tell EXT3/4 to use a separate drive as a cache drive for the same purpose? OR, how about telling CentOS to use a separate drive for

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/23/11 9:54 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/23/2011 07:23 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: As far as I understand, SSD are fast at reading and slow at writing. A good SSD will be substantially faster at writes than a disk drive, as well. Because there's no head seeking around a platter,

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Robert Nichols
On 05/23/2011 01:44 PM, Jerry Franz wrote: But, for paranoia's sake, I would RAID1 the SSD with a second SSD. Quote from http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/newmds-ssdtuning.html : Red Hat also warns that software RAID levels

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:29:22PM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: On 05/23/2011 01:44 PM, Jerry Franz wrote: But, for paranoia's sake, I would RAID1 the SSD with a second SSD. Quote from

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Rudi Ahlers wrote: *snip* ZFS can use a SATA, SAS or SSD drive as cache drive to speed up common reads writes. I have seen some small improvements even when using a cheaper grade SATA SAS drive (as part of an experiment). The speed improvement is quite a bit more evident

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Mon, 23 May 2011, John R Pierce wrote: To: centos@centos.org From: John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On 05/23/11 9:54 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 05/23/2011 07:23 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: As far as I understand, SSD

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Keith Roberts
On Mon, 23 May 2011, Ray Van Dolson wrote: To: centos@centos.org From: Ray Van Dolson ra...@bludgeon.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:29:22PM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: On 05/23/2011 01:44 PM, Jerry Franz wrote

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread John R Pierce
On 05/23/11 12:45 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: Would a defrag program work on a SSD? for some values of 'work'.as its completely unaware of the internal block remapping of the SSD, all it would really do would be to churn the data around. I've read the only way to reset the block remapping on

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 05/23/2011 12:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: Quote from http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/newmds-ssdtuning.html : Red Hat also warns that software RAID levels 1, 4, 5, and 6 are not recommended for use on SSDs. During

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Kevin K
On May 23, 2011, at 4:48 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe kevin.tho...@pibenchmark.com wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they all do 'wear levelling' to even the writes across the drive but

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread R - elists
Do note that the server-grade SSDs are far more reliable than the consumer-grade crap. mark mark, what specific units are considered server grade ssd's ? have you bought and used them with CentOS? other opsys ? where are you sourcing and what are you paying? - rh

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Kevin K kevi...@fidnet.com wrote: On May 23, 2011, at 4:48 AM, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Kevin Thorpe kevin.tho...@pibenchmark.com wrote: Just be aware that SSDs wear out. They have a limited number of write cycles. Nowadays they

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Drew
A SSD drive can be a SATA drive.  SATA is the connection/protocol between the drive and the computer. Not quite. SATA is a type of drive, same as IDE / ATA, SCSI, SATA :) I disagree. :) IDE/ATA, SATA, SAS, SCSI are all just interfaces. The underlying media, whether spinning rust or MLC/SLC

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-23 Thread Thomas Harold
On 5/23/2011 7:03 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: yonatan pingle wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Keith Roberts anyways - if it's for home usage Don't think twice get an SSD . Why? I've read most of the articles in this thread, and I haven't seen anything that persuades me SSD would be

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread yonatan pingle
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Steven Crothers steven.croth...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com wrote: if you use the SSD for swap, don't put anything important on them, I have managed to destroy a drive which was used for heavy swap

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread Steven Crothers
I was running on 3gbps sata bus, and the  performance was great, it just dies in one big crash without  giving any clues about it. If only SSD's were a viable solution for long-term storage, we could theoretically increase our virtualization many times over. It's to bad the technology hasn't

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread yonatan pingle
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Steven Crothers steven.croth...@gmail.com wrote: I was running on 3gbps sata bus, and the  performance was great, it just dies in one big crash without  giving any clues about it. If only SSD's were a viable solution for long-term storage, we could

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread Keith Roberts
On Sun, 22 May 2011, yonatan pingle wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Steven Crothers steven.croth...@gmail.com wrote: I was running

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread yonatan pingle
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net wrote: On Sun, 22 May 2011, yonatan pingle wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition On Sun, May 22, 2011

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-22 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/20/2011 01:26 PM, Keith Roberts wrote: I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to use a new SSD for moving all the disk i/o to, that Linux likes to do so often. Yes, it's often a really good idea. If you're doing software RAID on Linux, you really should either disable disk drives'

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread Keith Roberts
On Sat, 21 May 2011, Eero Volotinen wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fi Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition 2011/5/20 Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net: Has anyone actually used a SSD in a Centos setup

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread yonatan pingle
...@karsites.net wrote: On Sat, 21 May 2011, Eero Volotinen wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fi Subject: Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition 2011/5/20 Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net: Has anyone actually used a SSD

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread Steven Crothers
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Eero Volotinen eero.voloti...@iki.fi wrote: Just buy fastest ocz drive than you can find from stores. -- Eero Simply buying OCZ because its cheap is wrong. OCZ drives use MLC flash, I'm sure you know the difference between single level cells and multiple

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread Steven Crothers
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, yonatan pingle yonatan.pin...@gmail.com wrote: if you use the SSD for swap, don't put anything important on them, I have managed to destroy a drive which was used for heavy swap operations. (insane experiment with KVM virtual machines got to that situation ).

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread Eero Volotinen
It's really neat when an OCZ drive fails, it doesn't tick. You just lose all your data. Here today, gone tomorrow. Just swap drive and restore from backup, no problem ? -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-21 Thread Steven Crothers
That's expensive, don't know about you but I don't factor in drives to be dead within 3-4 months of installation for my machines. Running swap on an MLC SSD will most definitely kill it in 3-4 months. You expect to get at least 18-36 months out of a drive before it either dies or requires an

[CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-20 Thread Keith Roberts
Has anyone actually used a SSD in a Centos setup? My little experiment with a s/h WD drive for /tmp and SWAP partitions kicked the bucket on Wednesday, when the poor WD drive caught the click-of-death. It was a s/h drive to start with and lasted about 4 months. But that was without the

Re: [CentOS] SSD for Centos SWAP /tmp /var/ partition

2011-05-20 Thread Eero Volotinen
2011/5/20 Keith Roberts ke...@karsites.net: Has anyone actually used a SSD in a Centos setup? Yes. I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to use a new SSD for moving all the disk i/o to, that Linux likes to do so often. Plus putting SWAP onto a decent SSD should speed things up somewhat.