Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
On Sunday, February 13, 2011 03:38 AM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Chan > wrote: >> On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: > >>> Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify >>> permissions on a per user level. Alway

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Natxo Asenjo
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: >> Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify >> permissions on a per user level. Always groups. If the user leaves the >> company and the permissions are

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/12/11 4:05 AM, John R Pierce wrote: > regardless of the OS, any time you start to get tricky with per object > permissions, before long you end up with a complex mess that's a pain in > the butt to keep track of. And this is especially true if you don't first map the users to a group role or

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: >> >> Anyway, neither in windows nor in unix/linux you want to specify >> permissions on a per user level. Always groups. If the user leaves the >> company and the permissions ar

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Christopher Chan
On Saturday, February 12, 2011 09:02 PM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Drew wrote: >>> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The >>> complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently >>> mishandled that it's often ignored and s

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Natxo Asenjo
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Drew wrote: >> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The >> complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently >> mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as >> "Administrator". The result is privilege es

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Drew wrote: >> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The >> complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently >> mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as >> "Administrator". The result is privilege es

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread John R Pierce
regardless of the OS, any time you start to get tricky with per object permissions, before long you end up with a complex mess that's a pain in the butt to keep track of. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listin

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-12 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/12/2011 12:57 AM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: >> In fact, you can do things very easily with *nix acls that are very >> difficult in Windows. For example, you can set different 'Default' >> permissions (what will be on things created in the directory) than the >> permissions that are actually on

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>In fact, you can do things very easily with *nix acls that are very >difficult in Windows. For example, you can set different 'Default' >permissions (what will be on things created in the directory) than the >permissions that are actually on the directory. You can set different >masks for differ

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/11/2011 09:36 PM, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 at 6:38pm, Drew wrote > >>> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The >>> complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently >>> mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/11 6:55 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> you go back to '95 and look at the security/design flaws in shipping >> Linux products it is not pretty either. Pretty much everything had wide >> open holes in required network services like bind/sendmail/ftp as well >> as the kernel itself (wade

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 at 6:38pm, Drew wrote >> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The >> complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently >> mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as >> "Administrator". The result is privilege escal

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Drew
> RHEL and CentOS have much, much tighter basic privilege handling. The > complexity of the NTFS ACL structure, for example, is so frequently > mishandled that it's often ignored and simply dealt with as > "Administrator". The result is privilege escalation chaos. And how is the user-group-world p

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >>> Be careful with saying such things.  A lot can be said about Windows as an >>> operating system and Microsoft as a company.  But be very careful about >> >> Yes, there can, and has been, a

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Christopher Chan
On Saturday, February 12, 2011 05:27 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > John R Pierce wrote: >> On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you >>> insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into >>> ring 0,

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Larry Vaden
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > > It's still the case that a graphics driver error on linux can take out the > entire system, so it's not like linux is some sort of gold standard on this > front. e.g., any modern Ubuntu can write 300 GB per day of syslog if equipped with a

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: > On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you >> insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into >> ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on*Nix, and *everybody* >> else di

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread John R Pierce
On 02/11/11 8:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > They have*everything* to do. Look, I*said* this is OT, but since you > insist, the overwhelmingly*bad* design decision was to put the GUI into > ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on*Nix, and *everybody* else > did, resulting in a GUI erro

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Stephen Harris
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:39:21AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > They have *everything* to do. Look, I *said* this is OT, but since you > insist, the overwhelmingly *bad* design decision was to put the GUI into > ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on *Nix, and *everybody* else > did, re

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/2011 10:39 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as an operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful > about >>> >>> Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not been >>> positive (a

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread John Hodrien
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > They have *everything* to do. Look, I *said* this is OT, but since you > insist, the overwhelmingly *bad* design decision was to put the GUI into > ring 0, instead of the way Windows 3, and X on *Nix, and *everybody* else > did, resulting in a GUI err

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:58 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >mark "actually liked DOS" Me too! -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: > On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >>> Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as >>> an operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful about >> >> Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not bee

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Les Mikesell
On 2/11/2011 9:58 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> Be careful with saying such things. A lot can be said about Windows as an >> operating system and Microsoft as a company. But be very careful about > > Yes, there can, and has been, a lot said. A *LOT* of it has not been > positive (at least sinc

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread m . roth
David Sommerseth wrote: > On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We >> have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, >> Linux et al) and its all free and outstandingly good and relia

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread Always Learning
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:03 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: > [...snip...] > > > > Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We > > have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, > > Linux et al) and its

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-11 Thread David Sommerseth
On 11/02/11 03:05, Always Learning wrote: [...snip...] > > Sometimes I just wonder about the luckiness of us non-Windoze people. We > have a really marvellous choice of operating systems (BSDs, Solaris, > Linux et al) and its all free and outstandingly good and reliable. > > I feel sorry for the

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Always Learning
Hi Brian T. & Robert, Thanks for your input. I did a uname -a on a selection of Centos 5.5 machines and found the servers, netbooks and laptops were all a variety of 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5 and 2.6.19-194.32.1.el5-centos.plus. Only the VPS were different most likely, as Robert suggested, because of

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Robert Heller
At Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:25:24 + CentOS mailing list wrote: > > One of my VPS stopped working. After the data centre replaced a disk > normal service resumed, then I notices this: > > CentOS release 5.5 (Final) > > Kernel 2.6.35.4 on an

Re: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Always Learning > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:25 PM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: [CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5 > > One of my VPS st

[CentOS] Strange Kernel for Centos 5.5

2011-02-10 Thread Always Learning
One of my VPS stopped working. After the data centre replaced a disk normal service resumed, then I notices this: CentOS release 5.5 (Final) Kernel 2.6.35.4 on an x86_64 I always thought Centos 5.x would always be on 2.6.18. Any thoughts? _