Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of William Hooper Sent: den 17 januari 2012 22:41 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers? I would like

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/18/2012 01:01 AM, Bennett Haselton wrote: That's what I meant hen I said I thought it would be better for CentOS to have auto-updates enabled by default out of the box. Power users can That would change things too much and make everything into a moving target : not the best situation

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/18/2012 08:05 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: I would like to expand on this a little. Once you get a certain number of machine it probably makes sense to have your own internal mirror. Is there any particular approximate number of machines you'd say this would apply to? based on personal

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 18 januari 2012 11:15 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers? On 01/18/2012 08:05

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 18 januari 2012 11:14 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers? On 01/18/2012 01:01

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/18/2012 10:54 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: We've expanded our local calculation farm to now include mid-teen numbers, and manual updates is becoming a PITA... I'm looking for a site / person to help testing a mirror proxy setup, interested ? -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 |

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread David Hrbáč
Dne 18.1.2012 11:57, Karanbir Singh napsal(a): I'm looking for a site / person to help testing a mirror proxy setup, interested ? What are the requirements? Storage, fast connection? DH ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread David Hrbáč
Dne 18.1.2012 11:54, Sorin Srbu napsal(a): We've expanded our local calculation farm to now include mid-teen numbers, and manual updates is becoming a PITA... I think you want Spacewalk... DH ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread John Horne
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 14:42 -0200, Aslan Carlos wrote: Good practices is don't update any package on server directly without test before. It's because some update may not full compatible with your configuration. I do the update first on test server to ensure that update will not break my

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/18/2012 11:00 AM, David Hrbáč wrote: I'm looking for a site / person to help testing a mirror proxy setup, interested ? What are the requirements? Storage, fast connection? ideally a large number of machines, and a reasonable local connection with the ability to schedule and manage

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread David Hrbáč
Dne 18.1.2012 12:15, Karanbir Singh napsal(a): ideally a large number of machines, and a reasonable local connection with the ability to schedule and manage updates being applied on the machines ( so, rules out hosting setups ) I've got everything in Spacewalk. So someone else must step in. DH

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 18 januari 2012 12:16 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers? On 01/18/2012 11:00

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/18/2012 11:45 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: ideally a large number of machines, and a reasonable local connection with the ability to schedule and manage updates being applied on the machines ( so, rules out hosting setups ) I might be interested, it depends a bit on how complex it is to set

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Sorin Srbu
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh Sent: den 18 januari 2012 12:58 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers? On 01/18/2012 11:45

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:15 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 01/18/2012 08:05 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: I would like to expand on this a little.  Once you get a certain number of machine it probably makes sense to have your own internal mirror. Is there any particular

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread William Hooper
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: I've always thought yum should have its own 'reproducible updates' concept so you could  update a test machine, then tell all the others to update to exactly that state even if some new things had been added to the

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-18 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, William Hooper whooper...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: I've always thought yum should have its own 'reproducible updates' concept so you could  update a test machine, then tell all the others to

[CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread P J
I've read that it's not recommended to automatically apply updates via yum-updated on production servers, but I keep encountering servers that have this enabled. Are any of you doing automatic yum updates on production servers in CentOS 5 via yum-updatesd? Have you experienced any negative side

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread Aslan Carlos
On 01/17/2012 02:30 PM, P J wrote: I've read that it's not recommended to automatically apply updates via yum-updated on production servers, but I keep encountering servers that have this enabled. Are any of you doing automatic yum updates on production servers in CentOS 5 via yum-updatesd?

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread Giles Coochey
Best reason I can think of is application feature deprecation. If an update contains changes to the default configuration file then the file will normally be installed with the '.rpmnew' extension. If an application decides to deprecate and phase out options which you actually use in the current

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread John Doe
From: P J pauljfli...@gmail.com I've read that it's not recommended to automatically apply updates via yum-updated on production servers, but I keep encountering servers that have this enabled. Some parameters/configurations/functionalities might change/appear/disappear, depending on the

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 01/17/2012 10:30 AM, P J wrote: I've read that it's not recommended to automatically apply updates via yum-updated on production servers, but I keep encountering servers that have this enabled. Are any of you doing automatic yum updates on production servers in CentOS 5 via yum-updatesd?

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread P J
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: On 01/17/2012 10:30 AM, P J wrote: I've read that it's not recommended to automatically apply updates via yum-updated on production servers, but I keep encountering servers that have this enabled. Are any of you

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread William Hooper
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: I would always say it is best practice to manually install updates on at least one machine of a specific type and make sure everything is OK ... then automatically machines that are like that one after you are happy. I

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM, P J pauljfli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, I agree about best practices but it's nice to get direct feedback from your peers. In general it is very, very rare for an update to break anything - after all that is the whole point of the

Re: [CentOS] anyone doing automatic yum updates via yum-updatesd on production servers?

2012-01-17 Thread Bennett Haselton
On 1/17/2012 3:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM, P Jpauljfli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, I agree about best practices but it's nice to get direct feedback from your peers. In general it is very, very rare for an update to break anything - after