Sent: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:08:15 +0200
Subject: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably
a Intel 6700
Les Mikesell schrieb:
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Grow data online, convert between RAID levels online, migrate data
between spindle types(FC-SATA) online etc. Create a volume, and
you never have to worry about answering the question 'is it really
optimal?' because you can change
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Sorin Srbu wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Grow data
Sorin Srbu wrote:
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Sorin Srbu wrote
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
You're quite right with what you say. I have a 2U chassis already, with
a Gigabyte motherboard + 2GB RAM + Core 2 Duo E7650. I also have a few
160GB SATA HDD's laying around, but they're too small. So, I'll be
option to put 6 (if I can get the HDD cages fitted into the
Sorin Srbu wrote:
The guy who initially asked, IIRC, wanted some 3-4TB storage. This can be
accomplished easily with a regular mid/maxi-size tower and a handful of
1TB-SATA drives. Even the midsize oldish Compucase-case I have at home can
fit
four 3,5-drives in the hd-cage and another four
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS
on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to
replace if need be), and then to play around with the RAID a bit and see
how well it works.
Another option you may want to
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS
on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to
replace if need be), and then to play around with the RAID a bit and see
how well it works.
Another option
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Rudi Ahlers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS
on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to
replace if need be), and then to play around
Victor Padro wrote:
I've been reading this thread since it started, and what I could really
say is you should go for freenas,
isnt freenas also unionfs ?
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Victor Padro wrote:
I've been reading this thread since it started, and
Victor Padro wrote:
isnt freenas also unionfs ?
Yes it is.
I would therefore pass on freenas, purely on that one point.
Also, conder trimming your posts please
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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Victor Padro wrote:
isnt freenas also unionfs ?
Yes it is.
I would therefore pass on freenas, purely on that one point.
My HDs are not using UFS they're on Ext2
Also, conder trimming your posts please
What
Also, conder trimming your posts please
What does that mean, I'm not a native speaker so I didn't follow that, sorry.
Didn't want to ofend or even make mistakes, my only point its that freenas
could do the job under a SMB enviroment.
And I don't even compare CentOS between FreeNAS in anything.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also, conder trimming your posts please
What does that mean, I'm not a native speaker so I didn't follow that,
sorry.
Didn't want to ofend or even make mistakes, my only point its that freenas
could do the job under
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Using CentOS is preferred since I know it the best. I haven't used
FreeBSD since v4.7 ( I think I had a look @ 4.9 5.4 as well), and I
don't know Solaris.
I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS
on a USB memory stick and make it boot on
Les Mikesell wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
David Mackintosh wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS
performance?
Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with
them.
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
ok, so in your setup the OS is totally separate from the data itself?
indeed, almost all my servers are setup this way, too. A pair of
smaller disks, 36GB or 80GB are mirrored for the OS and software, then
populate the rest with large disks in raid10 or raid5 for
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Grow data online, convert between RAID levels
John R Pierce wrote:
ok, so in your setup the OS is totally separate from the data itself?
indeed, almost all my servers are setup this way, too. A pair of
smaller disks, 36GB or 80GB are mirrored for the OS and software, then
populate the rest with large disks in raid10 or raid5 for
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Grow data online, convert between RAID levels online, migrate data
between spindle types(FC-SATA) online etc. Create a volume, and
you never have to worry about answering the question 'is it really
optimal?' because you can change it at any time without
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A cheap server: there are many different values of cheap; it all depends
on what you need it for.
Yupp, break down the requirements into the following three options:
* Good
* Fast
* Cheap
Pick any *two*. You can never ever have all three. It's a natural law or
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?
Actually, the calculation is that it needs a GB of RAM
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 09:08:15AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably
a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB).
My
David Mackintosh wrote:
Despite a lot of fidding, configuring, testing and tuning, neither
result is very good when it comes to NFS performance. We've gone
so far as to run everything as noatime (ie local mount, nfs export,
and nfs client mount) hoping for better performance.
Have you
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS
performance?
Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them.
Besides, this would be a long upgrade -- they are both CentOS 4.x systems.
David Mackintosh wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS
performance?
Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them.
Besides, this would be a long upgrade --
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of
scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of data?
Lots of the more modern enterprise arrays support online upgrades.
Some of them even support re-distributing data across the new
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of
scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of data?
Lots of the more modern enterprise arrays support online upgrades.
Some of them even support re-distributing
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of
scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of
data?
Nate, what EXACTLY does that have todo with the topic? We're talking
about a self-build NAS /
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
nate wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of
scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of
data?
Nate, what EXACTLY does that have todo with the topic?
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
David Mackintosh wrote:
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS
performance?
Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them.
Besides, this would be a
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably
a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB).
My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built NAS device.
Can this
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU
(probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB
- 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built
Am 29.06.2008 um 09:08 schrieb Rudi Ahlers:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server
using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo
CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or
6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so
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Iv'e done a NAS with centos 5.2 here. Specs are:
Portwell WADE 8056 board with Intel Core2Duo 2,4GHZ, 4GB (2x 2GB
kingston DDR2 667), 4x 500GB Samsung SATA2 HDD's and a very nice Chenbro
ES34069 NAS case. The board only supports SoftRaid, so i made a
John R Pierce wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU
(probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x
320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't
Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 29.06.2008 um 09:08 schrieb Rudi Ahlers:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU
(probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x
320GB - 750GB). My
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably
a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB).
My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built NAS
A cheap server: there are many different values of cheap; it all depends
on what you need it for. For my home network, I just picked up a brand new
Dell Poweredge PE2900 server (from Dell) with two quad-core 2.33 GHz
processors, 24 GB memory and two 250 GB SATA disks for $2800. Price was
too
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:16 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Unfortunately, the only ECC capable motherboards I can get my
hands on will be XEON, which is much more expensive than a normal
desktop type motherboard. And the CPU's will cost more.
Consider using an Asus socket AM2 motherboard, as
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Actually, the calculation is that it needs a GB of RAM for every TB of
managed data.
How do you reckon this? Ie, what's the basic assumption(s) for the statement?
Parity calculations for stripes or what? I don't follow.
I can't say I've ever heard any such like, so
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A cheap server: there are many different values
Sorin Srbu wrote:
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A cheap server
Steve Tindall wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:16 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Unfortunately, the only ECC capable motherboards I can get my
hands on will be XEON, which is much more expensive than a normal
desktop type motherboard. And the CPU's will cost more.
Consider using an Asus
Les Mikesell wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU
(probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x
320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi all
I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using
normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU
(probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB
- 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so I'll
focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS - I don't
want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add Webmin to allow
users to browse their backups via HTTPS, manage folders,
Les Mikesell wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so
I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS -
I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add
Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via
John R Pierce wrote:
probably a /little/ expensive but not excessively so, you might check
out the Intel 2U 'kit' servers, like
http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm
specifically, the SR2500LX configuration,
oops, I meant SR2500ALLX :-/
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so
I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS -
I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add
Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via HTTPS, manage
Les Mikesell wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so
I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS
- I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add
Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via
Am 29.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Sorin Srbu:
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Actually, the calculation is that it needs a GB of RAM for every
TB of
managed data.
How do you reckon this? Ie, what's the basic assumption(s) for the
statement?
Parity calculations for stripes or what? I don't
Les Mikesell wrote:
Are you pricing the low end NAS boxes (like Buffalo
Linkstation/Terastation, etc.)? It might be hard to beat that if all
you want is a file server. Most run Linux of some sort on ARM or PPC
processors and may need to be hacked to add NFS or support 2gig files.
I
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