On 06/15/2009 05:31 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to Apache,
which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way of doing it?
you might find that this is the fastest way of doing things in a single
stack, if you dont have state
On 06/15/2009 06:09 PM, Gary Greene wrote:
If you're looking for shear speed, C++. However if you're looking for
ease of programming paradigm with OO ideas, etc, then Ruby or Python. If
however you want a middle ground, go Perl. It is fairly fast (faster
than Python and Ruby), and is fairly
On 06/15/2009 07:44 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Fair enough, but AFAIK AJAX is quicker to the end user than
Ruby,although Ruby could use AJAX as well.
I think what Les was trying to point out to you, a bit more politely, is
that you need to go read up on some of these things, you are making
little
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 06:09 PM, Gary Greene wrote:
If you're looking for shear speed, C++. However if you're looking for
ease of programming paradigm with OO ideas, etc, then Ruby or Python. If
however you want a middle ground, go Perl. It is fairly fast (faster
than Python and
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 05:31 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to Apache,
which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way of doing it?
you might find that this is the fastest way of doing things in a single
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 05:31 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to Apache,
which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way of doing it?
you
On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 05:31 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to
Apache,
which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way of
doing it?
Rudi Ahlers wrote on Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:31:40 +0200:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to Apache,
which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way of doing it?
Just forget that it is slow, it isn't.
Kai
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Get your web
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 18:23 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM, JohnS jse...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 20:54 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi Les, while I understand where you're coming from,
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases / FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
I already know PHP, but realize it's not quite suited for this kind of
Rudi Ahlers wrote on Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:54:00 +0200:
I can do most of this in PHP, but I do think PHP is a bit slow for this,
being a scripting language, and not a compiled language.
It's not slow at all. I have written such an interface 5 or more years ago
for our needs and it's split in
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 09:16 +0200, Peter Hopfgartner wrote:
Python has become quite common for sysadmin stuff. Indeed, a lot of
RedHat/Fedora (e.g. anaconda, the installer) and Ubuntu tools are really
Python scripts. The code is quite readable and usually, there are Python
bindings for
David G. Mackay wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 09:16 +0200, Peter Hopfgartner wrote:
Python has become quite common for sysadmin stuff. Indeed, a lot of
RedHat/Fedora (e.g. anaconda, the installer) and Ubuntu tools are really
Python scripts. The code is quite readable and usually, there are
On 06/14/2009 07:00 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases / FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
If you are targetting CentOS and/or Linux only - doing
I currently use ruby for a lot of my sysadmin tasks. I think python and ruby
are the best choices now - I've tried both languages and found them both
easy to work with. I chose ruby because it felt more comfortable to be
somehow. For most people, the choice between the 2 languages will come down
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Kai Schaetzl mailli...@conactive.comwrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote on Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:54:00 +0200:
I can do most of this in PHP, but I do think PHP is a bit slow for this,
being a scripting language, and not a compiled language.
It's not slow at all. I have
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to
Apache, which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way
of doing it?
um, thats somewhat mixed up. user - browser - apache - php that
interprets your script - OS function
with a native
From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf Of Rudi Ahlers
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:54 AM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] which programming language for server-side admin
tasks
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Given that large numbers of java people are jumping ship into the ruby
camp, I dont know how much of that is really true anymore.
With Red Hat's history of shipping 'something like java' that doesn't
really execute java code, that doesn't seem too surprising. And
Rudi Ahlers wrote on Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:23:42 +0200:
Well, it's my understanding that compiled languages perform much better than
scripting languages for this kind of operating, due to the fact that the
script runs on top of the scripting engine, which in turn runs on top of the
web server.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Karanbir Singhmail-li...@karan.org wrote:
On 06/14/2009 07:00 PM, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases / FTP accounts / virtual domains
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Gary Greeneggre...@minervanetworks.com wrote:
If you're looking for shear speed, C++. However if you're looking for ease
of programming paradigm with OO ideas, etc, then Ruby or Python. If however
you want a middle ground, go Perl. It is fairly fast (faster than
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM, John R Piercepie...@hogranch.com wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to
Apache, which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way
of doing it?
um, thats somewhat mixed up. user - browser -
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 19:45 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM, John R Piercepie...@hogranch.com wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
What I meant was, PHP talks to PHP script engine, which talks to
Apache, which then talks to system commands. - is there a quicker way
of
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
But would PHP be able to perform all tasks that PERL / C++ can?
I don't see why not.Many of the existing control panels are written
in PHP. PHP can manipulate files, execute system commands, and so
forth. PEAR http://pear.php.net/packages.php includes a vast
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Thanx Gary, this is a quick analasys of what I'm looking for, and helps a lot
:)
I have done some PERL coding on websites before, but very little, yet
it was very easy to pickup with my PHP skills.
As a front-end, I would consider Ruby, and / or AJAX. Could these
On 06/15/2009 06:16 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
More and more
of the companies that I know about ( specially the really smart ones )
are either already on ruby for a significant portion of their work, or
are in the process of moving.
A guy using it here seems to have some version dependencies
On 06/15/2009 06:09 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Would you expect ruby to be able to scale up to projects like OpenNMS,
Alfresco, or what Pentaho does?
I would, easily. It all depends on what sort of resources you have at
hand and what its going to cost you. atleast 4 of the top 10
most-traffic
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Apples and oranges... Ajax is mostly javascript running on the browser
side and can work with any interactive web server, where ruby and perl
are scripting languages that work on the server side. If you want
speed,
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 06:16 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
More and more
of the companies that I know about ( specially the really smart ones )
are either already on ruby for a significant portion of their work, or
are in the process of moving.
A guy using it here seems to have some
Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 06:09 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Would you expect ruby to be able to scale up to projects like OpenNMS,
Alfresco, or what Pentaho does?
I would, easily. It all depends on what sort of resources you have at
hand and what its going to cost you. atleast 4 of
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 10:04 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Also, there are several engineers at Red Hat that are very unhappy with
the impact that the 3.0 release is going to have on them.
Yes but it has been obvious for a long time that python does not
consider backwards compatibility to be
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 16:12 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 06/15/2009 03:22 PM, David G. Mackay wrote:
Python will let you develop programs very quickly, the first time. The
problem is that you'll have to go back and redo the code when a
different version of python is released. There
David G. Mackay wrote:
Also, there are several engineers at Red Hat that are very unhappy with
the impact that the 3.0 release is going to have on them.
Yes but it has been obvious for a long time that python does not
consider backwards compatibility to be important. This shouldn't have
Just curious, why not just use C/C++? thanks in advance !
Lincong
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, David G. Mackay macka...@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: David G. Mackay macka...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [CentOS] which programming language for server-side admin tasks
To: CentOS mailing list centos
lincohn john wrote:
Just curious, why not just use C/C++? thanks in advance !
for server-side administration web console development ?? ouch.
writing clean portable C++ is very painful and requires extensive
testing on each targetted platform.
writing multithreaded C++ programs
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 14:30 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
David G. Mackay wrote:
Also, there are several engineers at Red Hat that are very unhappy with
the impact that the 3.0 release is going to have on them.
Yes but it has been obvious for a long time that python does not
consider
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:35 -0700, lincohn john wrote:
Just curious, why not just use C/C++? thanks in advance !
Lincong
This is a personal opinion, but C++ seems to be an exercise in
masochism. C is basically a high level assembly language. Neither are
all that portable. Granted, for sheer
David G. Mackay wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:35 -0700, lincohn john wrote:
Just curious, why not just use C/C++? thanks in advance !
Lincong
This is a personal opinion, but C++ seems to be an exercise in
masochism. C is basically a high level assembly language. Neither are
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM, David G. Mackaymacka...@bellsouth.net wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 12:35 -0700, lincohn john wrote:
Just curious, why not just use C/C++? thanks in advance !
Lincong
This is a personal opinion, but C++ seems to be an exercise in
masochism. C is basically a
David G. Mackay wrote:
Google? ;)
How do you tell google to _not_ give you text matches that are really
not about downloadable code modules in the language you want this week?
Well, I try to make my searches specific to what I'm looking for. The
more key words that I can throw at it,
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Apples and oranges... Ajax is mostly javascript running on the browser
side and can work with any interactive web server, where ruby and perl
are scripting languages that work on the server side. If
On 06/15/2009 08:15 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
I meant scale in terms of program size and complexity. You can hook a
web interface to a database in about any language and crank things
through as fast as the database can respond - especially if you
load-balance across a bunch of servers. But how
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:27 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
operating systems, servers like Apache, Sendmail, Postfix, things like
Java JVM innards, those are written in C/C++
Mostly, yes. There is some assembly in most OSs. And, they're mostly
in C. If you have to sink to C++ to get your
At the risk of adding more wood to this fire...
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:04, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes but it has been obvious for a long time that python does not
consider backwards compatibility to be important.
Not true. There is a 2to3 program bundled with Python 3
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:31 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote:
If we had the processing power (and all the incredibly cheap HW that
exists today), in the 80's, I wouldn't have had to write such
efficient assembly language code... Much easier today, with cheap RAM,
etc. C++ for an old timer, takes
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 15:33 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
David G. Mackay wrote:
Well, I try to make my searches specific to what I'm looking for. The
more key words that I can throw at it, the less extraneous cruft comes
up.
That doesn't mesh very well with finding stuff that you don't
Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
At the risk of adding more wood to this fire...
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:04, Les Mikeselllesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes but it has been obvious for a long time that python does not
consider backwards compatibility to be important.
Not true. There is a 2to3
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users / databases
/ FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
I already know PHP, but realize it's not quite suited for this kind of
admin, and I suppose I need
Am 14.06.2009 um 20:00 schrieb Rudi Ahlers:
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases / FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
I already know PHP, but realize it's not
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users / databases
/ FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
We use python for most of the things we write now after
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases
/ FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache,
Rainer Duffner wrote:
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases / FTP accounts / virtual domains on Apache, etc.
I already know PHP, but realize it's not quite suited for this kind
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi,
I would like to spend some time learning a new coding language, but
specifically for server side admin stuff, i.e. setting up users /
databases
/ FTP accounts / virtual
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 20:54 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi Les, while I understand where you're coming from, I don't quite
agree with you. A programming language doesn't make security mistakes,
the coder does :) What I'm looking for, is which programming language
will be best, i.e.
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