RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. redundant power supplies connected to redundant UPS's.

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
will only work with another identical HW RAID card. -Ross - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Fri Mar 14 09:08:39 2008 Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box You can turn

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box That is true, buy high quality stuff up front for fewer problems down the road. Not a sure bet, but a better one. In the half dozen systems I've been running at home for the past several years none of them have suffered

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
That's a very good point never thought of that. Acrtually this RAID 1 setup I'm planning is for my desktop machine, problem is is's not built like a server so there is not the traditional slid in bay for a second PS as do many 1 and 2u rack servers have. Unless there is some

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. That's a very good point never thought of that.

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered another computer. I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home computer than to design a system with redundancy. However that new conputer I would order

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. You can use dump/restore to backup the logical volumes

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: This is getting OT and you are going to end up spending more on redundancy then if you just called Dell and ordered another computer. I agree with you in that it's cheaper to buy another home computer than to design a system with redundancy. However that

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:33:29 -0400 You are definitely making your life more difficult then is needed for a desktop machine. You said you have 4 hard disks. Make a software RAID1 out of the first two. Make a software RAID1 out of the second two and your good to go. You can use

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
No, read this: my previous thread... Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . Ah haha sorry was not paying attention, it's here: :) http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096054.html _

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Sorry, I can't access your Windows Live Hotmail inbox . . . Ah haha sorry was not paying attention, it's here: :) http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096054.html OOPS - I need some more coffee this am - HERE is the correct thread:

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull the raid card and use

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Therese Trudeau wrote: I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type of RAID cards on both machines, because easier to manage and if I ever decide to sell or give away one machine, I can pull the

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: That brings up a last question on possiblity of either a 3ware or acrea RAID 1 cards. I'm wondering how long I would be able to order a replacement RAID card from either of 3ware or areea. Anyone know if 3ware or acrea stock identical replacement cards

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html First, you should probably get your applications from a company that doesn't hate its customers... But aside from that, this restriction should only apply to the

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Dennis McLeod
Subject: RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box Unfortunately I can't use software RAID1 because of this: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-March/096063.html First, you should probably get your applications from a company that doesn't hate its

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Les Mikesell wrote: Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just about the entire suite. I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if possible to have the same type

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: Ah I figured someone would ask that. I use pretty much all major adobe products, Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, just about the entire suite. I have two home workstation machines. One is Centos, and one is Windows (the one I use Adobe on). I'd prefer if

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external firewire or network

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Therese Trudeau
If you are a graphic designer, I'm curious what you use the CentOS box for (or why you use Windows and not Mac :-) Good question when I started out I had windows so that's what I bought - Adobe windows versions. I'm considering migrating to Mac though because Adobe just started a new

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Therese Trudeau wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Therese Trudeau wrote: Don't bother. If you are a serious Adobe designer get yourself a Mac and dual boot it between OS X and CentOS or triple with Windows. Or use parallels or vmware and run all 3 at once when you want... and let the built in time machine tool do backups to an external

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a ?real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:17:29AM -0400, Therese Trudeau enlightened us: Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. I guess if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 drives he said go with RAID 5 over

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Karanbir Singh wrote: Therese Trudeau wrote: I'm just really looking for a RAID card that will do RAID 1, with four drive capacity, i.e., a master drive with the OS and applications installed and mirrored, and a slave drive for data and photos, graphic design, video, etc also mirrored. What

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. I guess if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 drives he said go with RAID 5 over RAID 1. Isn't RAID 1 mirroring a better solution

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
nate wrote: Therese Trudeau wrote: Ah great i'll check out the URL thanks. One thing, an earlier poster reccomended RAID 5 instead of RAID 1. I guess if one only has 2 drives RAID 1 is the way to go but if I have 4 drives he said go with RAID 5 over RAID 1. Isn't RAID 1

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Karanbir Singh
nate wrote the whole point of a BBU is that you can turn on write back caching - and get a fair win in write performance on regular tasks. You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) UPS isnt going to help

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Robert Arkiletian
On 3/10/08, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Robert Arkiletian wrote: On 3/10/08, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-10 Thread nate
Robert Arkiletian wrote: On 3/10/08, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can turn on write back caching if you have a UPS as well (provided your UPS is wired into your system for a graceful shutdown) Hopefully you have a redundant PS unit. Having a UPS is not going to help if your PS fails.

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: Do such cards exist? If so which model /manufacturers do you recommend? Any experiences/info/insights on hardware RAID cards good or bad on centos boxes would be appreciated. 3Ware 8000-series cards are probably the most compatible going back at least 3 years.

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread nate
Therese Trudeau wrote: So these cards are just plug n play? Just plug them in, no software or drivers required, all mirroring is managed by firmware built into the card RAID card itself? Drivers are required for all storage adapters(RAID or not). 3Ware handles raid in hardware, not in

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Most of the things in this email, from me are a personal opinoin, but I do spend a fair bit of time with these sort of things, these days. Therese Trudeau wrote: 3Ware 8000-series cards are probably the most compatible going back at least 3 years. 9000-series cards are faster/better and CentOS

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Therese Trudeau
So these cards are just plug n play? Just plug them in, no software or drivers required, all mirroring is managed by firmware built into the card RAID card itself? Drivers are required for all storage adapters(RAID or not). 3Ware handles raid in hardware, not in software, it has a bios

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Therese Trudeau wrote: I'm just really looking for a RAID card that will do RAID 1, with four drive capacity, i.e., a master drive with the OS and applications installed and mirrored, and a slave drive for data and photos, graphic design, video, etc also mirrored. What would battery built

RE: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread Therese Trudeau
I'm considering setting up my Centos Desktop machine for RAID 1. I read a lot of good info at this site:http://linuxmafia.com/faq/ Hardware/sata.html#intel-vitesse about differences in fakeraid and real raid cards. Discontinued chipset but works fine:

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread John R Pierce
Therese Trudeau wrote: the whole point of a BBU is that you can turn on write back caching - and get a fair win in write performance on regular tasks. Pardon my ignorance, what is write back caching and BBU? Write Back Caching means the card will cache writes in its onboard storage,

Re: [CentOS] Recommendations for a “real RAID 1 card on Centos box

2008-03-09 Thread John R Pierce
Therese Trudeau wrote: Ah that makes total sense now, thanks. Do the 3wire and the Areca cards allow you to remove battery/cache/disk and install into similar motherboard? Also when you say remove battery and cache, do you mean remove the entire RAID card with battery attached to it as