Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/18/2012 04:45 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark and I wouldn't support Larry Ellison if I have any options Yeah, sticking it to the company that's developing and supporting open source GPL Java sounds sensible... *sarcasm*

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Keith Roberts
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Johnny Hughes wrote: No, java is not open source. Didn't you know that the APIs are patented. You did see that Oracle sued Google for making a Derivative work of java, right? Open source is open source ... this suing people for using open source to create derivative

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/19/2012 09:53 AM, Keith Roberts wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Johnny Hughes wrote: No, java is not open source. Didn't you know that the APIs are patented. You did see that Oracle sued Google for making a Derivative work of java, right? Open source is open source ... this suing people

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread m . roth
Johnny Hughes wrote: On 07/19/2012 09:53 AM, Keith Roberts wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Johnny Hughes wrote: No, java is not open source. Didn't you know that the APIs are patented. You did see that Oracle sued Google for making a Derivative work of java, right? Open source is open source

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: You did see the majority of the developers for OpenOffice jumped ship and went to LibreOffice as soon as Sun was bought by Oracle, right? Why do you think that is? Like in all events in History, there's two versions of

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: If Android was not wildly popular, Oracle would not have done anything about it. Since it is, they want $$. Money is so evil! how they dare license a technology... even if it's open source... *sarcasm*

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: It fits in fine until Oracle decides that it wants to sue because they think there is some money to be made. Then APIs are patentable, GPL does not give patent permissions, etc. The lawsuits will then fly. You could

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/19/2012 10:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: If Android was not wildly popular, Oracle would not have done anything about it. Since it is, they want $$. Money is so evil! how they dare license a technology... even if

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: No, java is not open source. Yes it is. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: They made Java GPL Yes, you finally understood. Thanks :) http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk7/

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread m . roth
Chris wrote: Hello CentOS Guys, What do you think about the Oracle Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel? Since Release 2 of the UEK Kernel, all updates are available free of charge http://public-yum.oracle.com/ My questions: Does the Oracle UEK kernel really perform better than the default

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Clive Hills
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Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark and I wouldn't support Larry Ellison if I have any options Yeah, sticking it to the company that's developing and supporting open source GPL Java sounds sensible... *sarcasm* FC

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Chris xchris...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the Oracle UEK kernel really perform better than the default centos kernel? Technical advantages and disadvantages? This answers some of your questions

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 06:45:35PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark and I wouldn't support Larry Ellison if I have any options Yeah, sticking it to the company that's developing and supporting open source GPL Java sounds

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Chris
2012/7/18 m.r...@5-cent.us: Do you understand what OUL is, a modified version of RHEL? And no, I have grave doubts you could use that kernel with the standard repositories for CentOS: I'd give you a 95% confidence that trying to update most things would give you tons of unsatisfied

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Chris
2012/7/18 John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 06:45:35PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: mark and I wouldn't support Larry Ellison if I have any options Yeah, sticking it to the company that's

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread John R. Dennison
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:03:47AM +0200, Chris wrote: I think they did a great job with btrfs and Oracle Linux for free. Uh-huh. OEL for free is a calculated move to poach yet more users from Redhat, and in this specific instance, also _directly_ targeted at CentOS users. btrfs on its own

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Chris
2012/7/18 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com: Why come here and speak about mixing CentOS with Oracle kernel?. The answers will surely be mostly negative (like going to a Fedora mailing list and asking about using an Ubuntu kernel, or vice-versa). Do you expect the answers to be otherwise?.

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: Perhaps if they were actually putting out their _own_ distribution instead of leeching off Redhat's work and then _making money off of it_ it perchance might be a different story. It's called free market competition.

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Patrick Lists
On 19-07-12 00:34, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: Perhaps if they were actually putting out their _own_ distribution instead of leeching off Redhat's work and then _making money off of it_ it perchance might be a different

Re: [CentOS] Oracle UEK kernel on CentOS

2012-07-18 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Patrick Lists centos-l...@puzzled.xs4all.nl wrote: Larry is that you? ROFL... I use Fedora on desktops. Used Sun JDS before, and SuSE before that. Caldera Openlinux 12 years ago. IBM OS/2 before that. Today, one of my servers run CentOS. But when I plan to